Rajon Rondo leading these misfits to Playoff position *free Daps and reps*

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

@Gil Scott-Heroin



Your CaC nerd #'s can't comprehend intangibles

I'm not suggesting that Rondo isn't smart or a gifted passer - the issue is he's not anywhere near as good as his apologists make him seem, and that he's actually a hindrance to a team's offense. If you can't see that by now, than you obviously don't know shyt about basketball.

 

[Ethnic Cleansing]

I'm not suggesting that Rondo isn't smart or a gifted passer - the issue is he's not anywhere near as good as his apologists make him seem, and that he's actually a hindrance to a team's offense. If you can't see that by now, than you obviously don't know shyt about basketball.

Givin his past success, you can't say hindrance. The one thing your right about is his need to have the ball to be successful. Some players skillset require that (i.e Lance Stephenson being Basura with teams thinking they can move him to the SF, away from the ball). But to marginalize the idea of his teams ceiling not being high with the right players around him, or to retroactively state the Celtics got worse when he became the focal point of the Offense is where we have indifferences

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Givin his past success, you can't say hindrance.

He hasn't had any past success when he's led a team's offense or one of the team's main options. The only success he's had is being a role player or a 4th/5th option on offense. This is what y'all dudes don't see to understand.

Some players skillset require that (i.e Lance Stephenson being Basura with teams thinking they can move him to the SF, away from the ball). But to marginalize the idea of his teams ceiling not being high with the right players around him,

This is the problem here, you're making it seem like he's the important one and the right players that surround him aren't - when in actuality it's basically an euphemism for saying his teams have a high ceiling when he's the role player surrounded by stars. Same shyt can be applied to all the other average PGs who need stars around them to win.

or to retroactively state the Celtics got worse when he became the focal point of the Offense is where we have indifferences

Data proves this to be true. I've posted this shyt many times before. All the offenses he's led have either been average or amongst the worst in the league and his teams have a better offense with him on the bench. That is indisputable - which is why he's not as good as y'all make him out to be - he hardly has any positive impact when he's placed in a dominant starting role. He's basically a role player on a contending team - Mario Chalmers status (which is quite unfair to Rio since he's a better player than Rondo).

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

@Ethnic Cleansing

Let me ask you this - if you are #2 in touches and #6 in time of possession out of EVERY single player in the league, yet you have the second to worst scoring per touch out of all starting PGs (equal with Rubio), when there's PGs in the league who not only double that but triple your output - do you think that would have a hinderance on a team's offense fluidity and productivity?

 

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Since y'all seem to agree with the OP in regards to Rondo leading "misfits" to playoff position - this basically reiterates what I've been saying in this thread (posted a few weeks ago) -

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What's all this saltiness you got with Rondo about breh?

 

[Sk3ptical]

Rondo still the best PG in the NBA

he never was in the first place

 

[Ethnic Cleansing]

@Ethnic Cleansing

Let me ask you this - if you are #2 in touches and #6 in time of possession out of EVERY single player in the league, yet you have the second to worst scoring per touch out of all starting PGs (equal with Rubio), when there's PGs in the league who not only double that but triple your output - do you think that would have a hinderance on a team's offense fluidity and productivity?

Your problem is your BS Analytics have blurred the lines better yet b*stardized what a PG is: A facilitator !

ABC question: Is a Pass first, ball dominant PG going to have Derek Rose/Westbrook scoring outputs.


Your analytics is such a pretentious science, it values a "good offense" over a successful team, and that's were you/analytics are flawed

 

[Piff Huxtable]

the problem with @Gil Scott-Heroin is that, while he certainly possesses some knowledge about hoops, he thinks his oponions are fact and only uses select advanced stats that fit his agendas

if you use advanced stats then be 100 about it and don't pick and choose only stuff that support your preferred narratives

don't copy + paste paragraphs that nobody reads and just admit Rondo gives the Kings a better chance @ winning games than Collison, IT and Tyreke before him

Let's talk about it


O yea @Gil Scott-Heroin

dap/+rep

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

the problem with @Gil Scott-Heroin is that, while he certainly possesses some knowledge about hoops, he thinks his oponions are fact and only uses select advanced stats that fit his agenda

The only agenda I have with players is valuing how they should be valued - not making them better or worse than they actually are - which people seem to do on this board.

if you use advanced stats then be 100 about it and don't pick and choose only stuff that support your preferred narratives

There isn't any advanced stat or any stat that digs beneath the surface that paints Rondo in a positive light when he's taken control of a team's offense. How stupid do you have to be to not see that his lack of shooting/scoring cripples his team's offense? He scores at the same rate he handles the ball as Rubio - do you believe that Rubio hinders the T'Wolves offense? His on/off court numbers have been considerably worse than all the best PGs in the league. His teams' offenses shoot better when he's not on the floor. His teams' offenses have a better ORTG without him on the floor.

Can you show me any stat which proves his style is conducive to winning basketball when he leads the offense/controls the ball?

don't copy + paste paragraphs that nobody reads and just admit Rondo gives the Kings a better chance @ winning games than Collison, IT and Tyreke before him

This is why I know you don't watch Kings games.

 

[DonKnock]

So The Coli hates on the Rockets for having low basketball IQ, but also hates on Rondo who allegedly has one of the highest basketball IQ's


Is it Oochie Wally or One Mic?

 

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@Gil Scott-Heroin

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

@Gil Scott-Heroin

Cousins da gawd

 

[Suiken]

Another triple-dub for Rondo

 

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Cousins da gawd

I watched the game, Rondo was amazing out there and created a shyt ton of great looks for Cuz. Cousins did dominated as well.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I watched the game, Rondo was amazing out there and created a shyt ton of great looks for Cuz. Cousins did dominated as well.

No he didn't. Rondo's man kept helping on Cousins though. This is the problem, if Rondo actually helped out in the scoring department, Cousins wouldn't need to put up these superhuman type performances and he wouldn't be double-teamed as much either. No balance whatsoever in Rondo's game.