R.I.P. Chris Kelly of Kriss Kross

[mobbinfms]

youre confusing impact with acclaim.

when I said that KK & da brat made history, im referring to more than just sales. hell, I didn't even touch on the fact that they were huge trendsetters. what trends did outkast ever set?

face it my man. outkast just wasn't an impact group. that's not a negative. they just never had THAT appeal. hell, I rarely ever hear their names mentioned offline. NOT EVEN WHEN I LIVED DOWN SOUTH!!!

@ the bolded. I don't think you understand what im saying. in other words, outkast never made a song or album that stopped time. they never did anything that stopped time. they had some popular singles. some classic singles. but not popular or classic enough.

as for the classic thing, yea I noticed the 0 there and I knew exactly what you meant. and when you think about it, you'll see that it all goes back to their lack of impact.

but yea, SPCM is generally recognized as a classic. kind of a low-level classic but it gets enough recognition to pass the bar and be referred to as such. but those other 2 joints really aren't even in the picture.

What trends did KK or Brat set? Please don't say backwards clothing!

I disagree with your perception of Outkast...but we've been down this road before.

What songs/albums did SSD have that stopped time? That's such an awful term to use as well, what the hell does that even mean! How do you determine who stopped time and who just missed the bar?

People hold ATLiens in as high regard as SPCM.

 

[Wacky D]

TMZ never gives a fukk about context, still had me

His camera man was obviously on some shyt tho

aww man. I forgot about that quote that either TMZ or some other site had when they posted up his interview right before he died.

they were saying he sounded like he was in bad shape and that the interviewer was upset and concerned.

lol. in reality, he sounded normal and it was a regular @$$ interview.

What trends did KK or Brat set? Please don't say backwards clothing!
I disagree with your perception of Outkast...but we've been down this road before.

What songs/albums did SSD have that stopped time? That's such an awful term to use as well, what the hell does that even mean! How do you determine who stopped time and who just missed the bar?

People hold ATLiens in as high regard as SPCM.

are you serious with the boldeds?

also, if you don't understand what stopping time means, and how to determine it, then you really shouldn't be indulging in these types of debates.

 

[mobbinfms]

aww man. I forgot about that quote that either TMZ or some other site had when they posted up his interview right before he died.

they were saying he sounded like he was in bad shape and that the interviewer was upset and concerned.

lol. in reality, he sounded normal and it was a regular @$$ interview.



are you serious with the boldeds?

also, if you don't understand what stopping time means, and how to determine it, then you really shouldn't be indulging in these types of debates.

This is a cheap debate technique that you are using. If you have something to back up your claims then back them up.

And LOL at stopping time being this specific way of describing impact that has only one possible meaning.

 

[Wacky D]

This is a cheap debate technique that you are using. If you have something to back up your claims then back them up.

And LOL at stopping time being this specific way of describing impact that has only one possible meaning.

its not a debate technique. I just cant tell if youre serious or if youre trying to brush them off, because what youre saying is kind of bizarre.

and again, if you need me to explain what "stopping time" means then certain aspects of this chit just aint for you. and we've been down this road in numerous threads. youre moreso just a listener. I get it. that's cool.

 

[mobbinfms]

its not a debate technique. I just cant tell if youre serious or if youre trying to brush them off, because what youre saying is kind of bizarre.

and again, if you need me to explain what "stopping time" means then certain aspects of this chit just aint for you. and we've been down this road in numerous threads. youre moreso just a listener. I get it. that's cool.

You're still doing it. Instead of attacking me, why don't you actually back up your claims?

 

[Wacky D]

You're still doing it. Instead of attacking me, why don't you actually back up your claims?

so youre saying that this was a serious question? you really don't realize that kriss kross were trendsetters? they were the main ones who ushered in baggy clothes. that alone kills whatever argument that youre trying to put up.

da brat was the quintessential tom-boy of the mid-90s.

kriss kross made "jump" & "warm it up". da brat made "funkdafied" & "gonna give it to you".

now instead of playing this game that you always like to play, where you ask me questions where the answers should already be understood, let me ask you a question: what the hell did outkast do?

 

[mobbinfms]

so youre saying that this was a serious question? you really don't realize that kriss kross were trendsetters? they were the main ones who ushered in baggy clothes. that alone kills whatever argument that youre trying to put up.

da brat was the quintessential tom-boy of the mid-90s.

kriss kross made "jump" & "warm it up". da brat made "funkdafied" & "gonna give it to you".

now instead of playing this game that you always like to play, where you ask me questions where the answers should already be understood, let me ask you a question: what the hell did outkast do?

That's interesting. Baggy clothes huh? I've never even thought of when or who ushered that in. It seems to me that this isn't accurate and that people were wearing baggy clothes prior to that (hell - I know I was). I also don't think the popularization of baggy clothes and Kriss Kross are synonymous. Still - if you could really support this - that would be pretty significant and I'd have to reasses.

That's how girls dressed before the Brat came out in 94. At least where I'm from - she didn't set any trend.

All four records were big (Gonna give it to you being my favorite of the four). None are staples of the genre. Jump may have "stopped time" as you like to say - but we can't forget it was a gimmicky song marketed to kids.

Outkast made amazing music from 94-2000. Lyrically, production - concepts - they excelled then prevailed. If you had to put 50 songs on a playlist to define the genre - Outkast would be on there (perhaps more than once). Would any SSD artist?

Plus remember how influential Dre was with all the weirdos that we now see dominating in hip-pop. Trinidad James?

 

[Methodical]

Wow, I didn't know that until today. How he died?

 

[Sam Peel]

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[Wacky D]

That's interesting. Baggy clothes huh? I've never even thought of when or who ushered that in. It seems to me that this isn't accurate and that people were wearing baggy clothes prior to that (hell - I know I was). I also don't think the popularization of baggy clothes and Kriss Kross are synonymous. Still - if you could really support this - that would be pretty significant and I'd have to reasses.

That's how girls dressed before the Brat came out in 94. At least where I'm from - she didn't set any trend.

All four records were big (Gonna give it to you being my favorite of the four). None are staples of the genre. Jump may have "stopped time" as you like to say - but we can't forget it was a gimmicky song marketed to kids.

Outkast made amazing music from 94-2000. Lyrically, production - concepts - they excelled then prevailed. If you had to put 50 songs on a playlist to define the genre - Outkast would be on there (perhaps more than once). Would any SSD artist?

Plus remember how influential Dre was with all the weirdos that we now see dominating in hip-pop. Trinidad James?

im talking about the extra-baggy chit. and like it or not, kriss kross are iconic figures. outkast isn't. and lets not even get on the history that kriss kross made.

as far as da brat goes, I didn't say anything about her gear. im talking about her overall aura. also, she made history. first female solo act to go platinum. lyte, latifah, shante, yoyo, monie, etc. none of them accomplished that feat prior to da brat.

if you think outkast made amazing music, that's your opinion, and that's cool. but that's neither here nor there when discussing cultural impact. what part of that do you not understand? and no, if I had to make a playlist of 50 songs to define the genre, outkast wouldn't be on there at all. they don't have any genre-defining songs. stop it.

nobody cares about hip-pop, or hipsters or industry plants. chit like that doesn't impact the culture.

"jump" and "warm it up" were received as legitimate bangers. not just some kid chit. them chits still get heavy spins to this day, btw. and I never said that any of those songs I listed were staples, but theyre closer to being such than any outkast song.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

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[fundz]

R.I.P.

 

[mobbinfms]

im talking about the extra-baggy chit. and like it or not, kriss kross are iconic figures. outkast isn't. and lets not even get on the history that kriss kross made.

as far as da brat goes, I didn't say anything about her gear. im talking about her overall aura. also, she made history. first female solo act to go platinum. lyte, latifah, shante, yoyo, monie, etc. none of them accomplished that feat prior to da brat.

if you think outkast made amazing music, that's your opinion, and that's cool. but that's neither here nor there when discussing cultural impact. what part of that do you not understand? and no, if I had to make a playlist of 50 songs to define the genre, outkast wouldn't be on there at all. they don't have any genre-defining songs. stop it.

nobody cares about hip-pop, or hipsters or industry plants. chit like that doesn't impact the culture.

"jump" and "warm it up" were received as legitimate bangers. not just some kid chit. them chits still get heavy spins to this day, btw. and I never said that any of those songs I listed were staples, but theyre closer to being such than any outkast song.

Kriss Kross are not icons. THey were basically forgotten before dude died.

As for the Brat...I thought sales didn't matter? Is Vanilla Ice an icon for his sales?

I guess we just approach this from a different angle. To me, things like fashion and sales aren't really important. The most important factor for cultural impact is quality music.

Albums that stand the test of time and enter the canon of elite albums are what defines and solidifies the culture.

 

[Wacky D]

Kriss Kross are not icons. THey were basically forgotten before dude died.

As for the Brat...I thought sales didn't matter? Is Vanilla Ice an icon for his sales?

I guess we just approach this from a different angle. To me, things like fashion and sales aren't really important. The most important factor for cultural impact is quality music.

Albums that stand the test of time and enter the canon of elite albums are what defines and solidifies the culture.

i admit, "iconic figures" was an overstatement. i had to double back because i didn't remember saying that.

but they are well-known figures. and no, they weren't forgotten. their songs & videos still get spinned regularly. whenever a new rap kid comes out, their names automatically come up. theres a whole legion of rap fans who were introduced to hip-hop thru them. to say that they were ever forgotten is ridiculous. hell, lil bow wow will never be forgotten and kriss kross was much bigger than he was.

yes, sales do matter to an extent. it becomes a problem when people put too much emphasis on them, or if the sales are tainted. da brat accomplished a feat that countless female solo rappers couldn't, and she didn't have to go the commercial route to do it. and she didn't put up empty numbers either. there was impact & influence behind those figgas.

as for the bolded, no that's not impact. that's 2 totally different things. sometimes they may coincide with each other, but theyre not the same.

and if that last statement is what you believe to be impact, then outkast dam sure shouldn't be the group that youre arguing in favor of because they have no elite albums or songs, and never defined or solidified chit.

 

[mobbinfms]

i admit, "iconic figures" was an overstatement. i had to double back because i didn't remember saying that.

but they are well-known figures. and no, they weren't forgotten. their songs & videos still get spinned regularly. whenever a new rap kid comes out, their names automatically come up. theres a whole legion of rap fans who were introduced to hip-hop thru them. to say that they were ever forgotten is ridiculous. hell, lil bow wow will never be forgotten and kriss kross was much bigger than he was.

yes, sales do matter to an extent. it becomes a problem when people put too much emphasis on them, or if the sales are tainted. da brat accomplished a feat that countless female solo rappers couldn't, and she didn't have to go the commercial route to do it. and she didn't put up empty numbers either. there was impact & influence behind those figgas.

as for the bolded, no that's not impact. that's 2 totally different things. sometimes they may coincide with each other, but theyre not the same.

and if that last statement is what you believe to be impact, then outkast dam sure shouldn't be the group that youre arguing in favor of because they have no elite albums or songs, and never defined or solidified chit.

Basically forgotten was a bit much. They did have a huge pop culture impact around the time of their first album. But they hadn't done anything in over a decade at the time of dude's death. Surely, no hip hop fan had forgotten them, they had enough of a spark to never be forgotten.

You could make an argument that Brat's sales are tainted by the appropriation of the g-funk/snoop image/asethetic - but I like Brat so I wouldn't make that argument. Brat to me had more of an impact than Kriss Kross as she had a second life in hip-hop once she feminized. Still - overall, she's not an iconic figure in hip-hop.

Agree to disagree about music's impact on impact and Kast's impact.