R&B and Soul is the secret kryptonite to Hip Hop culture vultures

[JayStarwind]

No lies told

My mom would dabble in 70s and 80s R&B every now and again but my step dad was the one who really put me on. James Brown, Isley Brothers, Teddy P, Barry White, Gap Band, Prince, Stevie, Curtis Mayfield, Patti, Aretha, too many to name. So when I eventually did get into ATCQ, Busta, Nas, Outkast, Pac, Biggie, etc those samples had me like

For example

 

[Rekkapryde]

If you didn't come up listening to r&b and soul music...you're probably not a legit hip hop head

I've actually been meaning to make this thread for a long time. I'm just as much of an R&B head as I am a Hip Hop head and was really more heavily into r&b first as a kid. When I was younger around 6-10, I loved all the dope r&b from the late 80s and early to mid 90s. I'm willing to say right here that the r&b of the 90s is superior to the hip hop of the 90s, but that's a whole different debate. I didn't get into Hip Hop seriously until I was 11, but my musical roots are in soul and r&b. I think most 80s babies with black mother's and father's can probably relate.

Matter of fact, if you didn't have your roots in soul and r&b prior to transitioning fully into hip hop, you probably didn't get into hip hop organically and used it as a crutch to be cool or hide the fact you're a dweeb as a late teen or young adult (yes you Rosenberg)


Hip hop and r&b/soul are really like younger brother and older sister especially when you're talking about the 80s and 90s. a lot of cats like to claim hip hop hard, but i'm wary of them if they don't know they lyrics to "Let's Chill" by Guy, "I miss you" by Aaron Hall, "Night & Day" by Al B Sure or "Before I let you go" by Blackstreet. Or even the stuff before that like "love come down" by Evelyn "Champagne" King." if you can't at least hum Tony Terry "When i'm with you" or something by Stephanie Mills right now...you are not hip hop.

A prime example is a dude like Rosenberg. He goes so hard and prides himself on knowing 90s hip hop and thinking he's connected with the culture, but probably couldn't tell you the lyrics to "Forever My Lady" or "You Remind Me" by MJB. He hides his vulture status with stats, facts and history but without any r&b mentions EVER, he's exposed as being disconnected from hip hop. They're like super factual on ATCQ, De La Soul, Nas, Wu-Tang and others...even debating you accurately....

but if you put on something like this...



or this





they'd be lost as fukk....even though the history creation and collaborations are all intertwined especially during these eras. They didn't come up in it so they think hip hop was some separate shyt....no soul or groove at all but will try to lecture you to death. Never once heard their mom wake the whole house up on a Saturday morning to clean blasting this




or this



or this


or even further back





They won't know ONE SONG.

That's why I really think the industry annihilated r&b out the picture because it's not something they can easily emulate debate or discuss because it's not something you just discover on your own. You're brought up in it and that's what led a lot of us into hip hop/rap. It was Mary who christened Reasonable Doubt and allowed Hov' to ride in on Can't Knock The Hustle so smoothly. Nas was known as one of the dopest MCs but it wasn't until Lauryn blessed him with her vocals on If I Ruled The World that he hit that next level of notoriety. If we're keeping it 1000 Biggie really became that nikka when nikkas saw he bagged Faith.



Hip Hop and r&b have always had a symbiotic relationship and the absence of r&b has been detrimental to the culture. There's a level of talent and a standard that r&b HAS to hold that hip hop would keep parallel too. One would always check the other.
Imagine if you had r&b singers today that were Lil Pump or Lil Uzi status
You couldn't be looking dusty and dirty and not know how to sing

But it's okay for nikkas to come in and not know how to rap?

How would that even work? It wouldn't. And because We don't have r&b talent as a reflection of the standard we should be holding to hip hop...we're losing. The culture vultures eradicated and prevented r&b from joining the mainstream with hip hop on purpose. It was always supposed to be the two genres together as a force. now it's no soul, no groove, no swing, no real dancing (besides breezy) and cacs can easily come in and just rap. they don't have to have any r&b counterparts so we can see they don't really have what we have. they took one and diminished the other because they knew they couldn't really do it.

So yeah, as much as I love hip hop, r&b/soul is the OG to the culture and really the only way you can show me how you as a listener came in organically. artists aren't the only culture vultures, listeners are too. trying to come in and talk about this shyt...wanna study it at Harvard or Yale but never heard of Frankie Beverly & Maze. This is how you prove Hip Hop is a culture and it's not just hip hop alone.

b-b-b-b- I know Marvin Gaye and Earth Wind and Fire, Michael Jackson and Rick James

everybody knows their shyt. fukk outta here

If you JUST started at Hip Hop...you don't know shyt. I don't give a fukk how many times you listened to Midnight Marauders, 36 Chambers, illmatic or how well you know the Duck Down roster or your fukking Sean P T-Shirt. fukk you. If you never had to break up a fight with your female cousins over who was singing Monica or Brandy's part on The Boy Is Mine or try to hear grown folks business over The Isley Brother's after being sent to your room...you ain't Hip Hop. You a plant too.

​

Rep back to Zero sir. Great Thread and 100% on point.

Negged for anyone not knowing Quiet Storm music too.

Old School RnB, James Brown, etc. are a huge part of our experience as black people and it's influence on Hip Hop regardless of the area you grew up is fact. nikkaz from the North, South, East, Midwest ALL have those influences in the hip hop that came from there areas.

 

[Still FloW]

If you didn't come up listening to r&b and soul music...you're probably not a legit hip hop head

I've actually been meaning to make this thread for a long time. I'm just as much of an R&B head as I am a Hip Hop head and was really more heavily into r&b first as a kid. When I was younger around 6-10, I loved all the dope r&b from the late 80s and early to mid 90s. I'm willing to say right here that the r&b of the 90s is superior to the hip hop of the 90s, but that's a whole different debate. I didn't get into Hip Hop seriously until I was 11, but my musical roots are in soul and r&b. I think most 80s babies with black mother's and father's can probably relate.

Matter of fact, if you didn't have your roots in soul and r&b prior to transitioning fully into hip hop, you probably didn't get into hip hop organically and used it as a crutch to be cool or hide the fact you're a dweeb as a late teen or young adult (yes you Rosenberg)


Hip hop and r&b/soul are really like younger brother and older sister especially when you're talking about the 80s and 90s. a lot of cats like to claim hip hop hard, but i'm wary of them if they don't know they lyrics to "Let's Chill" by Guy, "I miss you" by Aaron Hall, "Night & Day" by Al B Sure or "Before I let you go" by Blackstreet. Or even the stuff before that like "love come down" by Evelyn "Champagne" King." if you can't at least hum Tony Terry "When i'm with you" or something by Stephanie Mills right now...you are not hip hop.

A prime example is a dude like Rosenberg. He goes so hard and prides himself on knowing 90s hip hop and thinking he's connected with the culture, but probably couldn't tell you the lyrics to "Forever My Lady" or "You Remind Me" by MJB. He hides his vulture status with stats, facts and history but without any r&b mentions EVER, he's exposed as being disconnected from hip hop. They're like super factual on ATCQ, De La Soul, Nas, Wu-Tang and others...even debating you accurately....

but if you put on something like this...



or this





they'd be lost as fukk....even though the history creation and collaborations are all intertwined especially during these eras. They didn't come up in it so they think hip hop was some separate shyt....no soul or groove at all but will try to lecture you to death. Never once heard their mom wake the whole house up on a Saturday morning to clean blasting this




or this



or this


or even further back





They won't know ONE SONG.

That's why I really think the industry annihilated r&b out the picture because it's not something they can easily emulate debate or discuss because it's not something you just discover on your own. You're brought up in it and that's what led a lot of us into hip hop/rap. It was Mary who christened Reasonable Doubt and allowed Hov' to ride in on Can't Knock The Hustle so smoothly. Nas was known as one of the dopest MCs but it wasn't until Lauryn blessed him with her vocals on If I Ruled The World that he hit that next level of notoriety. If we're keeping it 1000 Biggie really became that nikka when nikkas saw he bagged Faith.



Hip Hop and r&b have always had a symbiotic relationship and the absence of r&b has been detrimental to the culture. There's a level of talent and a standard that r&b HAS to hold that hip hop would keep parallel too. One would always check the other.
Imagine if you had r&b singers today that were Lil Pump or Lil Uzi status
You couldn't be looking dusty and dirty and not know how to sing

But it's okay for nikkas to come in and not know how to rap?

How would that even work? It wouldn't. And because We don't have r&b talent as a reflection of the standard we should be holding to hip hop...we're losing. The culture vultures eradicated and prevented r&b from joining the mainstream with hip hop on purpose. It was always supposed to be the two genres together as a force. now it's no soul, no groove, no swing, no real dancing (besides breezy) and cacs can easily come in and just rap. they don't have to have any r&b counterparts so we can see they don't really have what we have. they took one and diminished the other because they knew they couldn't really do it.

So yeah, as much as I love hip hop, r&b/soul is the OG to the culture and really the only way you can show me how you as a listener came in organically. artists aren't the only culture vultures, listeners are too. trying to come in and talk about this shyt...wanna study it at Harvard or Yale but never heard of Frankie Beverly & Maze. This is how you prove Hip Hop is a culture and it's not just hip hop alone.

b-b-b-b- I know Marvin Gaye and Earth Wind and Fire, Michael Jackson and Rick James

everybody knows their shyt. fukk outta here

If you JUST started at Hip Hop...you don't know shyt. I don't give a fukk how many times you listened to Midnight Marauders, 36 Chambers, illmatic or how well you know the Duck Down roster or your fukking Sean P T-Shirt. fukk you. If you never had to break up a fight with your female cousins over who was singing Monica or Brandy's part on The Boy Is Mine or try to hear grown folks business over The Isley Brother's after being sent to your room...you ain't Hip Hop. You a plant too.

​

Prolific thread

 

[JayStarwind]

How you gonna go through 90s R&B classics and leave this gem out

My mom used to blast this album. She still has it in the crib somewhere

Those voices


Older bruhs why weren't the bigger?

 

[BK The Great]

we all know what song sampled this

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

I agree with you, but Rosenberg isn't the person to used as the example.

I know his dj and music beginnings, I've listen to dude since his college radio days, and he's not this back pack hip-hop nerd your make him out to be. He may have taken on this role. But Peter know his shiit.

no he doesn't,dude a clown. Clearly you are too

 

[DaHNIC82]

If you didn't come up listening to r&b and soul music...you're probably not a legit hip hop head

I've actually been meaning to make this thread for a long time. I'm just as much of an R&B head as I am a Hip Hop head and was really more heavily into r&b first as a kid. When I was younger around 6-10, I loved all the dope r&b from the late 80s and early to mid 90s. I'm willing to say right here that the r&b of the 90s is superior to the hip hop of the 90s, but that's a whole different debate. I didn't get into Hip Hop seriously until I was 11, but my musical roots are in soul and r&b. I think most 80s babies with black mother's and father's can probably relate.

Matter of fact, if you didn't have your roots in soul and r&b prior to transitioning fully into hip hop, you probably didn't get into hip hop organically and used it as a crutch to be cool or hide the fact you're a dweeb as a late teen or young adult (yes you Rosenberg)


Hip hop and r&b/soul are really like younger brother and older sister especially when you're talking about the 80s and 90s. a lot of cats like to claim hip hop hard, but i'm wary of them if they don't know they lyrics to "Let's Chill" by Guy, "I miss you" by Aaron Hall, "Night & Day" by Al B Sure or "Before I let you go" by Blackstreet. Or even the stuff before that like "love come down" by Evelyn "Champagne" King." if you can't at least hum Tony Terry "When i'm with you" or something by Stephanie Mills right now...you are not hip hop.

A prime example is a dude like Rosenberg. He goes so hard and prides himself on knowing 90s hip hop and thinking he's connected with the culture, but probably couldn't tell you the lyrics to "Forever My Lady" or "You Remind Me" by MJB. He hides his vulture status with stats, facts and history but without any r&b mentions EVER, he's exposed as being disconnected from hip hop. They're like super factual on ATCQ, De La Soul, Nas, Wu-Tang and others...even debating you accurately....

but if you put on something like this...



or this





they'd be lost as fukk....even though the history creation and collaborations are all intertwined especially during these eras. They didn't come up in it so they think hip hop was some separate shyt....no soul or groove at all but will try to lecture you to death. Never once heard their mom wake the whole house up on a Saturday morning to clean blasting this




or this



or this


or even further back





They won't know ONE SONG.

That's why I really think the industry annihilated r&b out the picture because it's not something they can easily emulate debate or discuss because it's not something you just discover on your own. You're brought up in it and that's what led a lot of us into hip hop/rap. It was Mary who christened Reasonable Doubt and allowed Hov' to ride in on Can't Knock The Hustle so smoothly. Nas was known as one of the dopest MCs but it wasn't until Lauryn blessed him with her vocals on If I Ruled The World that he hit that next level of notoriety. If we're keeping it 1000 Biggie really became that nikka when nikkas saw he bagged Faith.



Hip Hop and r&b have always had a symbiotic relationship and the absence of r&b has been detrimental to the culture. There's a level of talent and a standard that r&b HAS to hold that hip hop would keep parallel too. One would always check the other.
Imagine if you had r&b singers today that were Lil Pump or Lil Uzi status
You couldn't be looking dusty and dirty and not know how to sing

But it's okay for nikkas to come in and not know how to rap?

How would that even work? It wouldn't. And because We don't have r&b talent as a reflection of the standard we should be holding to hip hop...we're losing. The culture vultures eradicated and prevented r&b from joining the mainstream with hip hop on purpose. It was always supposed to be the two genres together as a force. now it's no soul, no groove, no swing, no real dancing (besides breezy) and cacs can easily come in and just rap. they don't have to have any r&b counterparts so we can see they don't really have what we have. they took one and diminished the other because they knew they couldn't really do it.

So yeah, as much as I love hip hop, r&b/soul is the OG to the culture and really the only way you can show me how you as a listener came in organically. artists aren't the only culture vultures, listeners are too. trying to come in and talk about this shyt...wanna study it at Harvard or Yale but never heard of Frankie Beverly & Maze. This is how you prove Hip Hop is a culture and it's not just hip hop alone.

b-b-b-b- I know Marvin Gaye and Earth Wind and Fire, Michael Jackson and Rick James

everybody knows their shyt. fukk outta here

If you JUST started at Hip Hop...you don't know shyt. I don't give a fukk how many times you listened to Midnight Marauders, 36 Chambers, illmatic or how well you know the Duck Down roster or your fukking Sean P T-Shirt. fukk you. If you never had to break up a fight with your female cousins over who was singing Monica or Brandy's part on The Boy Is Mine or try to hear grown folks business over The Isley Brother's after being sent to your room...you ain't Hip Hop. You a plant too.

​

5 star post.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

My favorite summer jam is still "Before I let Go". It just does something to you.

a black bbq/cookout favorite

 

[-DMP-]

@Art Barr

Thoughts?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Remember when Hip Hop people and R&B people were drastically different?

Hip hop was the thorough people and the R&B people didn't curse or smoke or any of that shyt. R&B dudes were sensual and shyt

Now EVERYONE is just ignant ratchet mfs

The earliest hiphop people were all r&B heads. You're talking more the OG r&b heads before there was a hiphop.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

a taste of some of the R&B early hiphop dj's was rocking to

..those oldschool pioneering HipHop Dj's all played and listened to Disco

 

[kingdizzy01]

now get ready for them "this is 80's/90's rnb, it's so chill!" videos that INSIDER and them other vulture outlets produce..

 

[Breh Obama]

The earliest hiphop people were all r&B heads. You're talking more the OG r&b heads before there was a hiphop.

Nah

During the 90s the R&B crowd and hip hop crowd were completely different

R&B dudes back then were considered the softer type

Now everyone is hard and a gangsta

 

[Yecht]

Gave a copy of this tape to a girl I was trying to dirty mack in High School who was faking the funk

 

[mobbinfms]

Interesting thread. I did not grow up in a house where R&B or Soul were played. But when I started getting into music around 10-11, the radio (KMEL and WILD 94.9) played both R&B and hip hop and you would see that same mix and balance on the video shows, whether it be on BET or CMC. So I fukked with both, had Jodeci and Mary J tapes, had a bunch of tapes with shyt recorded off the radio, but heavily trended toward hip hop. Then as I got older, going back to the source material was

I never thought about the fact that for some of the kids my age growing up, they would be recognizing those samples from shyt they were hearing at home

I always considered my introduction to hip hop to be organic since I didn't grow up around white people, and I listened to the same shyt everyone else in my neighborhood did (at least initially).
My introduction to a lot of that old school shyt was hearing what the GOAT producers in the 90s did with it
Although that doesn't apply to the GOAT producer :havdahell:since he was manipulating the hell out of those samples to where they were unrecognizable :havarmscrossed:
But for other brehs it might have been similar to when I heard that Rakim Book of Life in 97 for the first time and realized how much of his lines had been used :PPicard:
I wonder if I appreciate it a bit more since most of it was, to my ears, original material?