Putin calling for 300,000 reservist cause Ukraine kicking that @$$. This is after being rebuked by their only real ally left, India

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If the keep the invadors out and maintain their soverenty it's a win. Even if they lose land, similar to Finland

They aren't keeking the invaders out they invaders are there and the controlling space, they have set up shops, so now they aren't winning

if the war ended today and they ceased fire, 20 percent of Ukraine would now be Russia
 

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They aren't keeking the invaders out they invaders are there and the controlling space, they have set up shops, so now they aren't winning

if the war ended today and they ceased fire, 20 percent of Ukraine would now be Russia
Every day Ukraine remains independent is a win for them, or at the very least not a loss. Russia's plan was regime change and integration into the Federation. They have completely failed at that goal.

An occupation that is constantly aggravated by insurgents can barely be called winning by Russia.
 

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Every day Ukraine remains independent is a win for them, or at the very least not a loss. Russia's plan was regime change and integration into the Federation. They have completely failed at that goal.

An occupation that is constantly aggravated by insurgents can barely be called winning by Russia.
Yeah, all of this is a gigantic loss for Russia, and as you put it, daily, their economy is going to be fukked. This is the moment people like Putin should be ready to flee the country, even considering his grip on the people.
 

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Russia underestimated ukraine chosing american $$$ over giving up. Russia went in on some hearts and mind shyt. Uncle sam said we'll fill ukraines politicians banks up, keep your people fighting. Russia underestimated greed. Greed makes people do crazy shyt. If russia went in there and turned ukraine into a parking lot from the jump they wouldn't be in this predicament.
 

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It’s all fun and games till he let one of them thangs go.

You establishment parrot. Try thinking for yourself for once. I’ve never seen you have an original political thought. Not once.

It will all end in tears

Putin won’t stop until he salvaged some sort of “win”.

He needs an off ramp. Risking a Soviet-style collapse of Russia isn’t worth it
 

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to be fair to Russia, if they were just going to level cities to ash they would have.
Russia never gained air superiority... they wouldnt be able to run bombing sorties uncontested

Russia doesnt have enough artillery for this either which is why they are sourcing artillery from North Korea

you have no idea whats going on
 

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Russia underestimated ukraine chosing american $$$ over giving up. Russia went in on some hearts and mind shyt. Uncle sam said we'll fill ukraines politicians banks up, keep your people fighting. Russia underestimated greed. Greed makes people do crazy shyt. If russia went in there and turned ukraine into a parking lot from the jump they wouldn't be in this predicament.
Nah. They underestimated Zelensky's heart. Ukrainians are extremely nationalistic. I have no doubt they would have fought till the last man regardless of US intervention. Russia didn't want to destroy Ukraine, they wanted to assimilate it.
 

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Nah. They underestimated Zelensky's heart. Ukrainians are extremely nationalistic. I have no doubt they would have fought till the last man regardless of US intervention. Russia didn't want to destroy Ukraine, they wanted to assimilate it.

Zelensky is a crook who is lining his pockets. But okay.
 

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Russia never gained air superiority... they wouldnt be able to run bombing sorties uncontested

Russia doesnt have enough artillery for this either which is why they are sourcing artillery from North Korea

you have no idea whats going on
You are out of your mind.

Russia in February had enough artillery. Because of how terrible they have performed is why they don’t have enough in September.

You don’t need air superiority to level a city. Ukraine isn’t some country of super advanced building materials that can withstand cat5 hurricanes.

You are acting like long range missiles don’t exist. Bombs have gotten better in the last 50 years. The problem wasn’t weaponry. It was logistical failures cause they didn’t expect to need to go to Kyiv.

This is a good thread about the problems in Russian taking Ukraine



Putin was acting like Zelensky was byotch who would run away and leave the people in disarray. NATO wasn’t coming into help a government without a leader let alone a non-NATO country.

Zelensky held and America was able to gather its Allies like no expected after Trump.
 
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