Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

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It's not about them "figuring it out". Jose is the primary ball-handler on the team. He has plenty of opportunities to shoot, he just passes them up, so he can force feed the rest of team and rack up assists, even when NY needs buckets. He's like Pablo. I can't stand those type of players because they'd rather rack up assists in losses than win. NY scored a pathetic 91 points. He should be taking no less than 10 shots, which is right around his career average. He's taking 5.7 shots in NY. I really hope they don't keep him.

Nah nah don't ever compare Calderon to Priggi Smalls. Ball movement would be way better
 

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Nah nah don't ever compare Calderon to Priggi Smalls. Ball movement would be way better

You couldn't be more wrong. NY is the number 1 passing team in the league (351.5 passes per game): NBA.com/Stats. They were 2nd and 23rd when Pablo was in NY. Clipps are 21st and Pablo gets less minutes there than he did in NY. NY is 24th in assists this season. They were 19th and 28th when Pablo was in NY. Pablo's career high in assists was in NY at 3.5 apg. 'Melo is averaging the same amount and Jose is leading the team in that category, averaging almost 4. Pablo averages 3 shots per game for his career, which means he has always taken even less shots per game on every team (including NY) than Jose is taking now. That's why Pablo got on my nerves even more. He was much worse. Jose won't shoot, but I've never seen Jose pass up a wide open shot. Pablo did that constantly. NY doesn't need "ball-movement". They move the ball a ton, and more than any other team, and people lay bricks. They need players who can and will shoot. NY's starting pg takes 5 shots per game. What kind of pg play is that?!
 
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What would y'all give us for Shelvin Mack? :IHearDemDucktalesNikka:

He would be the best pg y'all had in a decade.

He's the worst defender in the league (42.1% shooters are shooting 55.6% against him) and he shoots 18% from 3. No wonder he's only played 9 games this season. :scust: He's :trash:.
 

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You couldn't be more wrong. NY is the number 1 passing team in the league (351.5 passes per game): NBA.com/Stats. They were 2nd and 23rd when Pablo was in NY. Clipps are 21st and Pablo gets less minutes there than he did in NY. NY is 24th in assists this season. They were 19th and 28th when Pablo was in NY. Pablo's career high in assists was in NY at 3.5 apg. 'Melo is averaging the same amount and Jose is leading the team in that category, averaging almost 4. Pablo averages 3 shots per game for his career, which means he has always taken even less shots per game on every team (including NY) than Jose is taking now. That's why Pablo got on my nerves even more. He was much worse. Jose won't shoot, but I've never seen Jose pass up a wide open shot. Pablo did that constantly. NY doesn't need "ball-movement". They move the ball a ton, and more than any other team, and people lay bricks. They need players who can and will shoot. NY's starting pg takes 5 shots per game. What kind of pg play is that?!
They pass the ball just to pass the ball.
Not the same as ball movement.

They pass to go nowhere, just like year.
Which is one of the reasons why they shoot so late in the shot clock just to hoist up bad shots and why they Are the slowest team
 

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The NBA on the Triangle:

@HitTheGlass tweeted: I just had a conversation with us about how Warriors don't use triangle on the attack. I showed them using example.

@EricApricot wrote an article saying: Steve Kerr's NBA career was made possible by the triangle offense. In many ways, so was Luke Walton's career. So naturally, the triangle offense has had a deep influence on two architects of the Warriors Offense. It's pretty easy to see the Spurs influence on the Warriors playbook, and the Suns Seven Seconds or Less influence, but the triangle influence is more subtle. We analyze a triangle offense play which put away the Nuggets game last night. : One Play: Warriors + Triangle Offense = Barnes 3

He wrote another article: Explain 1 Play: Bogut Between The Legs To Curry (Triangle Offense Blind Pig): Warriors Play of the Night: Bogut's between the legs pass

Tom Piccolo wrote an article saying: The San Antonio Spurs’ proliferation of both midrange and post-up points should reinforce that teams can have success in today’s NBA while generating these shot types: Afflalo The Leader
 

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They pass the ball just to pass the ball.
Not the same as ball movement.

They pass to go nowhere, just like year.
Which is one of the reasons why they shoot so late in the shot clock just to hoist up bad shots and why they Are the slowest team

Slowest teams in order: Jazz, Heat, Cavs, Spurs, Raptors, Bucks, Grizzlies: NBA.com/Stats. NY is next in line and most of those teams have a far better record than NY. Passing is ball-movement. "Ball movement" is moving the ball. They're 14th in both Potential Assists and Secondary Assists: NBA.com/Stats. They move the ball and move themselves to get wide open shots, just like in the 2012-2013 NY team. They difference is, half of this NY team can't shoot and some of them (Jose and O'Quinn) won't shoot. It's not the coach. It's not the system. It's the players and some of them need to go elsewhere. Shooters like Jose, Arron, and 'Melo can fix their shot at will if they're healthy enough (Jose and 'Melo have already done this multiple times this season), so I'm not worried about the bricks Arron has been laying lately, but some of the players need to be replaced with players that can shoot (and defend). I know you wanna believe this team can compete as constructed because I wanted to believe that too, but they can't. Not in the East. They don't have enough offense.
 
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Once again...so tired of the emotionless post-game excuses.

It's like the team has a learning disability mixed with low self-esteem.

Do better.

Not much else I can say. I won't spend too much more energy being upset with these losses.

Now that 'Melo seems to have found his shot, they should get mildly better as soon as he takes more shots, which will result in more points, and once Arron cleans up his trash shooting but it might not be enough. Half the team can't shoot and that's a problem. They really need new players who can and will shoot (and defend).
 
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Now that 'Melo has found his shot, they'll get mildly better as soon as he takes more shots, which will result in more points, and once Arron cleans up his trash shooting but it won't be enough. Half the team can't shoot and that won't do. They need new players who can and will shoot and defend.
Afflalo needs a few post plays run for him.

KP rushed his shot several times yesterday and missed on some drives to the basket.

Defense was lacking.

Didn't see Derrick score, but I am sure he did.

KOQ was hoisting jumpers from in the paint and beyond the arc. :pacspit:

Not sure if Robin Lopez played. Same goes for Amundson and Seraphin. And i watched the game.

Whatever man...........

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Lance Thomas scoring like this just makes no sense whatsoever.

Come to find out, this dude could shoot all along. He has shot 50%, 45%, and 43% when healthy in his career before coming to NY: NBA.com/Stats. I thought this season was the 1st time he had ever shot efficiently, let alone close to 50%. Turns out all this "he fixed his shot over the summer" talk was garbage. His shot was never broken. His career fg% is close to 'Melo's. smh
 
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