Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

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Y'all got nothing to offer

Both det and minn want to dump jennings and kmart , especially minn

Wont really take much, theres options

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Grant
Galloway
Thomas
Dwill
Cash

Calderon as a throw in maybe

Should be enough to get Atleast1 of them


Minn would probably take anything for kmart right now as long as its expring or cheap contracts
 

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Both det and minn want to dump jennings and kmart , especially minn

Wont really take much

Picks
Grant
Galloway
Thomas
Dwill
Cash

Calderon as a throw in maybe

Should be enough to get Atleast1 of them


Minn would probably take anything for kmart right now as long as its expring or cheap contracts
1. You don't have picks

2. If you're willing to give up Galloway or Grant for KMart, by all means. Figured you'd wanna keep them, but fukk it, deal.

3. KMart has a player option he's probably not picking up.
 

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le sigh

i know i should ignore you but

i hope someway along the line they explained how stats work

shooting 80% on 5 shots does not extrapolate to mean you will shoot 80% on 18 shots .........

you are pro melo and so anti kp since it diminishes melos role on the team

but here is the thing melo as the number 1 option will never win a championship

kp is the foundation we can build our house on ......so whether or not it actually pans out his ceiling is actually higher than what melo actually turned out to be

again melo is top tier player but he is def not championship calibre

I understand that you wanna sound intelligent, but it's not working. You just wrote a post littered with idiocy and assumptions (and you know what they say about assumptions: they make a fool out of you).

How you gathered that I assumed Jose would shoot 80% on 18 shots, I will never know. The fact that you would try to refute that the guy who shot 80% and is a proven shooter should have taken the most shots, rather than the guy who shot 44% and is still developing his offense, shows that you would rather KP be the show and they lose, then KP not be the show and they win. That's very telling.

Jose didn't have to shoot 80% for NY to win. It would be very generous if I said Jose would have shot at least 50% if he had taken more shots last night because the fact is, he likely would have shot at least 60%. This is a guy who averaged 98% from the line for an entire season and averages 47.5% from the field and 41% from 3 for his career. He can shoot. Saying he can't carry an offense if he takes more shots is like saying Pablo would have missed all those wide open 3's he used to pass up. The more shots you take, your efficiency usually rises. That's why players complain about touches.

Kawhi started the game against the Pacers the other night shooting 4/11 (only 36%). He finished 10/19 (52.6%). The smart thing to do is to ride the hot hand. I love how this doesn't apply to Jose. Had Jose kept shooting, offense wouldn't have cost them that game. It's not about KP. I wanted them to win. They could have taken some of KP's and Arron's shots and given them to Jose, for all I care, as long as they win.

I only brought up KP because people had the nerve to blame Fish, Jose, and the rest of the team for KP getting shut down by the Cavs after the 1st half of the 3rd quarter, saying he should have been the one to get more shots when he had 18 shots to be efficient and still couldn't do it, while there was a guy who shot 80% on only 5 shots and people wanted KP to take 30 shots, rather than Jose take 18. 'Melo was smart to be careful not to try to attack in the 4th quarter against Orlando on a bad ankle, and instead try to look for the guy who literally didn't miss a shot in the game from 2 and from 3 (Lance).

Fish certainly isn't to blame. It was Fish's game plan that gave them a chance to win a game they should've been blown out of.

If you can't handle me pointing out that people should be screaming for the 4/5 guy to get more shots, rather than the 8/18 guy, then you don't wanna know what I would say about KP if I actually was "anti-KP". I said that 'Melo's trash offense was costing the team games and I got no complaints. I said Arron's defense has been trash this season, still, no complaints, yet, as soon as I say Jose was the hot hand that should have been ridden instead of KP, I'm "anti-KP". You should really stop talking. Of course, I'm pro 'Melo. I should be. I'm pro great players. It's telling that a so-called "Knick fan" would point that out as a negative thing.

Please tell us how the guy who can't defend (he lost Kevin Love so many times last night it made my head spin, because he doesn't want to guard 1-on-1 and would rather block shots), is offensively underdeveloped, and doesn't rebound consistently, "diminishes the role" of the best shooter, the 2nd best defender (Arron is 1st in that category, even though he's been trash on defense for most of the season), is the 2nd best passer, and is a better rebounder than KP (KP averages less than 1 more rebound than 'Melo and KP is much taller with a much bigger wingspan)...........I'll wait.

Here's where I address your most nonsensical statements that show that you cannot think for yourself, so you just regurgitate what the media says because you assume that by it coming from them, it sounds intelligent:

Please tell us how 27 and 8 on 45% (his last healthy season, which was 2 seasons ago), elite defense, dragging scrubs to the playoffs every season your franchise isn't tanking, dragging scrubs to the WCF in a brutal West, and never having a losing record when your franchise isn't tanking, can't win..........I'll wait. If you can't win with that, something is wrong with the other options, not number 1.

You only say that because the media has trained you well. The media only says it because their golden boy can't shoot, is trash on defense, can't pass without turning the ball over, lost for 7 straight years, needed the rook (Daniel Gibson) to score 19 of the Cavs's last 31 points to get to the Finals where he got swept while playing like trash, prompting him to jump ship to a stacked team to save him, so that he could say his assist totals won him a title.

He was the worst player in NBA history in the 2011 Finals and in last season's Finals. He only got 2 titles with the Heat, which is pathetic. Put 'Melo on that Heat team and they win all 4 titles. 'Melo wouldn't get punked by defenders half his size like Lj did by Jason Terry, Kidd, and Barea. He also won't get punked by Kawhi for 2 straight years and stomped by the AARP club. I won't even go in to how the refs gave him the series against KD by sitting KD on the bench in bogus foul trouble for most of the series because Lj embarrassed the league in the series against the Mavs the season before. I won't go in to how the Spurs threw the Finals by giving him wide open shots in game 6 and sitting Tim and Tony (who were going off late) on the bench in crucial moments of game 6 and 7. I'll just say that it was so bad that Charlamagne from the Breakfast Club asked Danny Green if the league told the Spurs that Miami needed to win, leading them to throw the series.

He only showed up in 1 out of 5 Finals (2012), even on stacked teams with Wade and Bosh to distract defenses. In the last series against the Spurs, he averaged 3 ppg in the 4th quarter, was trash on defense, padded his stats in garbage time, so he could wear "check my stats" t-shirts, and let Kawhi do this to him: Kawhi Leonard wreaking havoc on LeBron. Put 'Melo on the Cavs and I bet he don't chuck up 32 shots on 39% from the field and 31% from 3, trying to be 1991-1993 Jordan. It's really something to watch how some so-called "Knick fans" stand in line to worship Lj.

KD can't win, even on stacked teams. He gets most of his buckets off of screens, in transition, and from Chuckbrook distracting defenses. That's why he gets punked by defenders half his size like Tony Allen and CP3, because they fight over screens and don't let him get out and run. He can't even shoot above 43% without Chuckbrook on his team. 'Melo doesn't have or need any of that to get buckets. KD does not have a post game. KD can't defend and he can't pass without turning the ball over. 'Melo can do both. KD has been on a stacked team for years and has only 1 Finals appearance (that he got gentlemen swept out of) and no ch'ips to show for it.

Dirk can't defend, pass, rebound, nor block shots but the masses have been trained to love him through over-commercialization because he's a Euro. 'Melo can do all those things. Dirk won once in 17 years with double-digit free throws in several games, a legendary point guard, great forward, and great center. Tell me more about how 'Melo was supposed to win with an old Chuck (Allen) Iverson who never knew efficiency until he played with 'Melo and who didn't show up in the playoffs and an old Billups, who also didn't show up in the playoffs. Jordan couldn't get out of the 1st round without Pippen. Please name one player who has drug scrubs to a championship..........I'll wait.

It's telling that you would throw 'Melo under the bus because of KP's ceiling when 'Melo is the only one who has played hard, well, and consistently for your struggling franchise the whole time he's been there. Yes, KP has better tools than everyone in the history of the league (a perfect shot at 7'3''). If he starts to focus more on 1-on-1 defense (instead of just blocks) and develop the ability to create his own shot (which he's working on), he will likely be better than everyone except Kobe and Jordan (whose defense I don't think he will approach). That said, 'Melo is already an all-time great and the best in the league right now (no one can shoot better than him, unless Kobe keeps shooting well, and is also great defender), so there's no need to try to subtract from him. There's also no reason to have KP vs. 'Melo posts. Knick fans should be happy that they're on the same team. 'Melo has been crucial to his development from passing to him, to teaching him how to shoot.
 
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You just lost ALL credibility with that statement. Second statement is a straight bold face lie. Calderon should be some other team's backup or 3rd string point guard at this stage of his career. Knicks haven't had a capable point guard since Billups :stopitslime:

Lie? When only one of his made shots wasn't wide open? Even Shump said it in his half-time walk-off interview. But let's take a look:



As far as Jose, it would be very generous if I said Jose would have shot at least 50% if he had taken more shots last night because the fact is, he likely would have shot at least 60%. This is a guy who averaged 98% from the line for an entire season and averages 47.5% from the field and 41% from 3 for his career. He can shoot. Saying he can't carry an offense if he takes more shots is like saying Pablo would have missed all those wide open 3's he used to pass up. The more shots you take, your efficiency usually rises. That's why players complain about touches.

Kawhi started the game against the Pacers the other night shooting 4/11 . He finished 10/19 (52.6%). The smart thing to do is to ride the hot hand. I love how this doesn't apply to Jose. Had Jose kept shooting, offense wouldn't have cost them that game. That's his fault, though, and I hope he leaves the team.
 
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