Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

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Bye, @KologeroBx. I never sent for you to begin with. I couldn't care less whether or not you take me seriously. Who are you to me? I don't even know you. :mjlol: And I don't have to do anything, You have no authority to instruct me. KP doesn't get limited touches. He gets touches comparable to Arron and his shooting isn't even close to Arron's. Unlike Okafor, KP can't even consistently create his own shot without turning it over (66.7% of his made shots last night were assisted), and when he does get it, he's inefficient most of the time. It is what it is, now go shed another tear. :yeshrug:


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That's the kind of reaching that makes me point out the things that I point out about KP. He is not better than Okafor at anything, which is why TrashSPN has to use advanced stats. They even make up stats like PER to hype certain players over others. NY has also been padding KP's stats a lot in garbage time. They did so just last night. Okafor is rebounding better than KP for his height and defending better because of the talent he's defending (47% shooters) compared to the talent KP is defending (45% shooters). Not only that, KP isn't even defending anyone for a whole game. He's defending players in spot moments. Fish noted in the Atlanta post-game interview that it's intentional to get him experience. In that game he would guard Splitter and would switch off on Millsap for a few possessions, etc. It inflates his defensive numbers. Then he's switching off on guards, giving up buckets to them, especially late. On/off court is not an individual stat. It's dependent on the other players on the court too. Like the fact that KP was shooting in the 30's before Arron came back and the fact that Sasha and Jose were a poor tandem when they were forced to play together because of Arron's injury. I'll err on the side of thinking the worst about you and assume you already knew that and are purposely being intellectually dishonest. To state that a person performing as well as Okafor is why his team plays poorly shows your desperation to try to make him look like someone he's not, by ignoring the nature of your stat and the fact that his team is tanking.


The kind of reaching you're doing to state that KP makes 'Melo look better is what makes me point out the things that I point out about KP. On/off court is not an individual stat. It's dependent on the other players on the court too. Like the fact that KP was shooting in the 30's before Arron came back and that Sasha and Jose were a poor tandem when they were forced to play together because of Arron's injury. I'll err on the side of thinking the worst about you and assume you already knew that and are purposely being intellectually dishonest. NY has also been padding his stats a lot in garbage time. They did so just last night. Your sentence about his fg% is unintelligible. If you're pointing out the fact that it's higher than 'Melo's, it shows your desperation to try to make him look like someone he's not by ignoring the fact that 'Melo came into the season shooting in the 30's because he's still working his way back from injury.

The fact is, 'Melo has been a Superstar for over a decade and he hasn't and never will need KP to produce like one. 'Melo has been taking scrubs to the playoffs for over a decade, most of which was in a brutal West, and the only times he's missed the playoffs is when the franchise was tanking for KP and THJ. KP needs him, period. Towns and Okafor need no one, period. KP can't even produce like Towns and Okafor with 'Melo, Arron, and several others to distract defenses, giving him open looks. If I'm "biased", then please tell me whom I'm "biased" for and/or against? You're accusing me of "bias" for "making excuses for his numbers" while doing the same to a Superstar (of all players smh) by saying KP is making 'Melo produce, as if 'Melo became elite when KP joined the team. That is pathetic. It really is.

Earlier on, you admitted that Robin's box outs were a great help to KP, now you're back-pedaling. Tells us how many rebounds KP got against Miami in the last game they played when Whiteside was on the floor and not boxed out by Rolo? You keep mentioning his rebounds and blocks like he's Whiteside or someone. Even if Rolo wasn't boxing out so much for him, even if he wasn't stat-padding in garbage time, even if he weren't being defended by weak players, there's nothing impressive about 9.3rbg and 2bpg at 7'3''. There's nothing impressive about 29 points against poor defenders when he won't even shoot against a good defender. And KP isn't even defending anyone for a whole game. He's defending players in spot moments. Fish noted in the Atlanta post-game interview that it's intentional to get him experience. In that game he would guard Splitter and would switch off on Millsap for a few possessions, etc. It inflates his defensive numbers. Then he's switching off on guards, giving up buckets to them, especially late.

I didn't even want this fight because I love KP, but @Liquid inexplicably sent for me. I really wanted to move on to the things he brings that I enjoy about him, but you ruined it by throwing 'Melo under the bus yet again. Like 'Melo told Jason, "we not gon' have that".


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Just all around terrible, why don't you go and look at the numbers rookie big men have put up over the last ten years, KP is putting up similar or better numbers to Davis, Bosh, Love, Aldridge, Boogie etc. All this bullshyt about him not being able to perform to the levels of Jah and Towns? You living under a rock, Towns has hit a wall already and is averaging 12/9 over his last 10, while Jah plays absolutely no defense. The levels you sink to just to prop up and protect the image of Carmelo is astounding, you make some of the worst arguments I can think of and to tear down a player that the Knicks actually drafted and who has legitimate franchise level talent is just :scust:The player you're trying to rip actually represents the Knicks future, not some shot jacking fat muthafukka you have an obsession for an think is on the same level as LeBron ( :dead: @ that too ).

To say there's nothing impressive about a 29pt game from a rookie is just idiotic on every level, especially since it's the current high for rookies. Don't even think of responding with some big ass block of text, cause I damn sure ain't reading it, I just skimmed this post and am repulsed by it
 

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I'm using actual statistics to point out simple facts. KP makes Melo better the same way Melo makes KP better...that's a fact. The statistics say so. I bring up Melo's poor FG% because there's an obvious reason it's low, he's coming back from a surgery...same for KP, rookies face a learning curve. When you wed yourself to one statistic as your basis of criticism, but ignore it for another...that's a clear sign of bias. Which is why I'm bowing it, you're wasting my time.

The bolded isn't a fact. That is propaganda and a clear sign that you're brainwashed by the media and/or have a vested interested in hyping KP beyond his production. 'Melo has been better for over a decade and doesn't need KP. He's great whether KP is on the team or not. 'Melo doesn't need KP. KP does need 'Melo. KP couldn't even shoot over 38% until Arron got back. Those are the facts. And no, the stats don't say so. You have posted team stats and tried to pass them off as individual stats. You're intentionally lying with numbers. On/off court is not an individual stat. It's dependent on all 5 players on the court. Like the fact that KP was shooting in the 30's before Arron came back and that Sasha and Jose were a poor tandem when they were forced to play together because of Arron's injury. And no, KP is shooting poorly because he's not ready. There are rooks who aren't shooting poorly. You lie when you accuse me of ignoring his other stats. I've broken down most, if not all of them. Bye, @storyteller. I never sent for you to begin with. You're wasting your own time. I didn't force you to respond to me. I'm gonna post regardless.
 
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What??? What are you trying to say?

That Philly is trash because they choose to be, not because they lack talent.

There's A Reason Why Everyone Thinks You're A Joke But I'll Let You Live In The Land Of Make Believe, A Place Where The 1-17 Sixers Are A Good Team

Over 2k daps doesn't support your narrative and wishful thinking that "everyone" thinks I'm a joke. :francis: Now go shed another tear and tell another lie about how the Sixers are trying to win games, but just can't seem to get over the hump. :francis:
 

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Reading this thread got me like.
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if you have any common sense...in this thread....and you want to talk unbiased...agenda-less knicks basketball....i advise you to ignore that idiot
atleast with other WPOY candidates...they say things so ridiculous you get a chuckle out of it....shes in her own world where melo is a TOP 5 player still and is beyond criticism...it's disgusting...i have her on ignore myself but i see her bullshyt in this thread from you nikkas entertaining her trash.
im about to ignore some of yal to get her the fukk up out my damn knicks season thread.
 

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The bolded isn't a fact. That is propaganda and a clear sign that you're brainwashed by the media and/or have a vested interested in hyping KP beyond his production. 'Melo has been better for over a decade and doesn't need KP. He's great whether KP is on the team or not. Those are the facts. And no, the stats don't say so. You have posted team stats and tried to pass them off as individual stats. You're intentionally lying with numbers. On/off court is not an individual stat. It's dependent on all 5 players on the court. Like the fact that KP was shooting in the 30's before Arron came back and that Sasha and Jose were a poor tandem when they were forced to play together because of Arron's injury. And no, KP is shooting poorly because he's not ready. There are rooks who aren't shooting poorly. You lie when you accuse me of ignoring his other stats. I've broken down most, if not all of them. Bye, @storyteller. I never sent for you to begin with. You're wasting your own time. I didn't force you to respond to me. I'm gonna post regardless.
You are delusional, Melo needs KP more than the other way around. KP is showing flashes and is literally the only hope the knicks have right now to even be mentioned as a top 4 team in the east in the next 3 years.

Melo is not a winner. He is an incredible offensive talent when healthy, but not a difference maker in any sense of the word. You really need to look at how the game is played because it's painfully obvious that you don't know wtf you are watching. There really is no point going back and forth with you about this shyt anymore.

Oh and I'll take Wiggins over Melo. If Melo can never find his shot like he had in the past...:huhldup:
 

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Not to mention Okafor wasn't playing and NY padded his stats in garbage time once again. :umad: I hate to do this because I love KP. If you love him too, stop sending for me.
Man you need to calm down. Stop with the pseudo intellectual shyt and keep it real with us. If you're really a Knicks fan like the rest of us you wouldn't try and talk down to everyone. You out here trying to get discussion Ws and "give out Ls" like if that's what we're about over here. Enough to with that shyt. You try and use stats that supports you're arguments and when other people come with stats you down play them using arguments like "oh so and so wasn't playing" or "scoring in garbage time".

Who gives a shyt who porzingis is scoring on what time of the game he's doing it and who's in the lineup while he's doing it. Bottom line is that he's taking advantage of everything that's coming to him.

Let's put this in perspective for you. He's a 20 yr old euro that played in the Spanish leagues. First of all he isn't getting the type basketball teaching people that go to college in the US get. Second of all the seasons he plays out there are not as long as in the US. Euro players are not as aggressive as American players so he has to get used to a whole new style of play. He came in as a project and had been developing rapidly with each game. He picks up new things and adds to his Arsenal at all times. The first few weeks he had foul trouble issues but now he's learned not to foul and how to use his body how to defend without fouling. That's progress if you ask me. So again a 20 yr old euro comes to another country and adjusting tremendously at an accelerated rate and you wanna downplay this by using bullshyt situations?:childplease: Na homie. Don't do it to yourself.

The fact that he's taking advantage of everything and trying to get points when he can trying to rebound when he can means he's aggressive and that's what u want... An aggressive big man! U want him to just stand there?

Why can't you just give him his credit ? You always gotta use some type of excuse when explaining why he did something well.

You sound like write for the NY post or some shyt.:camby:
 

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You are delusional, Melo needs KP more than the other way around. KP is showing flashes and is literally the only hope the knicks have right now to even be mentioned as a top 4 team in the east in the next 3 years.

Melo is not a winner. He is an incredible offensive talent when healthy, but not a difference maker in any sense of the word. You really need to look at how the game is played because it's painfully obvious that you don't know wtf you are watching. There really is no point going back and forth with you about this shyt anymore.

Oh and I'll take Wiggins over Melo. If Melo can never find his shot like he had in the past...:huhldup:

The same tired media talking points. If he wasn't a winner, he wouldn't have drug scrubs to the playoffs (with a winning record) every year that the franchise wasn't tanking, even in a brutal West. Who's your "winner"? Lj, who missed the playoffs twice in a weak East when his team wasn't tanking (Cavs finished 35-47 and 42-40 the years he missed the playoffs), played two .500 teams in the 1st and 2nd rounds to get to the ECF with the rook Daniel Gibson scoring 19 of the teams last 31 points to get to Finals, winning nothing for 7 years causing him to jump from stacked team to stacked team, so he could say his assist totals won him a title? Maybe your "winner" is KD, who has missed the playoffs twice (one of which was with Russell), and has won nothing on a stacked team he's had for several years?

'Melo needs a guy who shows "flashes" (of what?, btw :mjlol: at those empty statements that you copied from the media that sound good but mean nothing), can't shoot above 38% without Arron, pads his stats in garbage time, puts up numbers against scrubs and won't even shoot when good defenders are guarding him, doesn't guard 1 player for an entire game, is an average rebounder and shot-blocker for his size, etc?

'Melo's shot isn't missing. It's 5% better than it was to start the season. Surgery, Strep Throat, and missed games will do that. Shooting well is the only thing he's not doing well this season. His defense is elite and he switches between 1st and 2nd in assists on his team. So much for your "offensive" talent narrative that you got from the media. And even if all he did was score, he'd still be a great player, as the object of the game is to score and no one does it better. You love to hate him. It's really sad. I don't see how NY fans tolerate you. Fans like you don't deserve him.
 
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Man you need to calm down. Stop with the pseudo intellectual shyt and keep it real with us. If you're really a Knicks fan like the rest of us you wouldn't try and talk down to everyone. You out here trying to get discussion Ws and "give out Ls" like if that's what we're about over here. Enough to with that shyt. You try and use stats that supports you're arguments and when other people come with stats you down play them using arguments like "oh so and so wasn't playing" or "scoring in garbage time".

Who gives a shyt who porzingis is scoring on what time of the game he's doing it and who's in the lineup while he's doing it. Bottom line is that he's taking advantage of everything that's coming to him.

Let's put this in perspective for you. He's a 20 yr old euro that played in the Spanish leagues. First of all he isn't getting the type basketball teaching people that go to college in the US get. Second of all the seasons he plays out there are not as long as in the US. Euro players are not as aggressive as American players so he has to get used to a whole new style of play. He came in as a project and had been developing rapidly with each game. He picks up new things and adds to his Arsenal at all times. The first few weeks he had foul trouble issues but now he's learned not to foul and how to use his body how to defend without fouling. That's progress if you ask me. So again a 20 yr old euro comes to another country and adjusting tremendously at an accelerated rate and you wanna downplay this by using bullshyt situations?:childplease: Na homie. Don't do it to yourself.

The fact that he's taking advantage of everything and trying to get points when he can trying to rebound when he can means he's aggressive and that's what u want... An aggressive big man! U want him to just stand there?

Why can't you just give him his credit ? You always gotta use some type of excuse when explaining why he did something well.

You sound like write for the NY post or some shyt.:camby:

:dahell: Calm down? I'm not even hype. I ain't "talkin' down" to no one. You're always tryna play victim and accuse me of victimizing people when you can't refute my arguments. I ain't trying to get w's or anything else. Giving context isn't "downplaying" anything. It's an explanation, so why you're trying to front like it's uncommon is comical. Everyone cares who's in the lineup when KP's scoring. You must have missed all the on/off court stats people are using to claim that "Melo needs KP". :mjlol: Not sure why you feel the need to give me some speech about his progression. If I wrote for the Post, I'd be worshiping him like you are. You lie when you say I don't give him credit. You're just sensitive about him.
 

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Look, y'all, I want to move on from KP's flaws and get back to why I love him. It seems I'm being misunderstood too. Not to take anything away from Towns or Okafor because they're great players, but I think those 2 have the potential to be typical great players. They can shoot the ball well and defend.

KP is different. He has a perfect shot like Danny Green, Novak, Curry, Korver, etc. The scary thing is that it's indefensible because of his height. Imagine if Okafor and Al Jefferson (those 2 have similar footwork) were indefensible (they're not, though), now imagine Korver being indefensible (he's not either). KP is an indefensible version of a Korver. He also has sick athleticism (see the Vine clip below) and a toughness that surpasses most players of any age and experience. He's fearless. He defends well for a rook. He hustles defensively, which can't be taught.

He may be slower in putting it all together than Towns and Okafor because he has more upside to put together than they do, in my opinion. I don't believe his upside has ever been seen in the history of the league, which actually makes me less mad about the mass marketing when I think about it. If he puts it all together, it's a wrap.......for everybody. For 'Melo, KD, Lj, Curry, everybody. I think he has the upside to be 1 of the greatest to ever play. Better than Ewing, Dirk, possibly everyone except Jordan and Kobe because I don't think his defense will get to Jordan and Kobe's level.

I'm calling it early, this is the shot of the year. Even half-court shots don't compare. I honestly can't remember ever seeing a better shot. Maybe Fish's 0.4 shot, but I think it's debatable:

 
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