Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

[Derek Lee]

 

[Derek Lee]

 

[KnickstapeCity]

:wow11:

In Harlem, we don't do that.

 

[ThaBronxBully]

Hard To Take Zema Serious, I'm Done,

Okafor Plays With Nobodies On A Losing Team And Can Get As Many Touches As He Wants

Porzingis Plays With Carmelo Anthony, Gets Limited Touches On A Team That Wins 50% Of Their Games

Give The Guy His Credit And Shut Up, The 76ers Entire Season Is "Garbage Time"

 

[Liquid]

Hard To Take Zema Serious, I'm Done,

Okafor Plays With Nobodies On A Losing Team And Can Get As Many Touches As He Wants

Porzingis Plays With Carmelo Anthony, Gets Limited Touches On A Team That Wins 50% Of Their Games

Give The Guy His Credit And Shut Up, The 76ers Entire Season Is "Garbage Time"

Nerlens Noel is not a "nobody" :mjcryuk:

 

[Victim of Racism]

Karl has no superstars on his team (no Wiggins isn't a star), Towns doesn't have Rolo to box out for him, KP has 3 inches on Towns and yet, his rebounding and shot blocking numbers don't show it, and Towns is a much better shooter, even without a star to distract defense. Towns is the star on the team.

There is no such thing as garbage time on this team. We lost countless games at the end of games because of mismanagement by Fisher. There is no way Porzingis is ever out there to pad his stats knowing how many games we've lost in the final minutes. The only game that was in hand was game 1 against the Bucks and that was a clear blowout, and Porzingis wasn't out there padding his stats.

Yes, he was out there in garbage time in Milwaukee. 'Melo went to the bench with 3 mins left with NY up 17, KP stayed in the game with the bench. NY got blown out by Miami twice and last night was also a blow out. Reporters even ask Fish why KP is out there in garbage time (Berman asked Fish that after the blowout in Miami when KP had 20 points on 39% shooting). And it's not just blow outs. It's any time the game is in hand and KP isn't playing with the starters. There's a reason he's only rook averaging almost 30mpg.

 

[KnickstapeCity]

Hard To Take Zema Serious, I'm Done,

Okafor Plays With Nobodies On A Losing Team And Can Get As Many Touches As He Wants

Porzingis Plays With Carmelo Anthony, Gets Limited Touches On A Team That Wins 50% Of Their Games

Give The Guy His Credit And Shut Up, The 76ers Entire Season Is "Garbage Time"

Young GOATgero has spoken

I wonder if @ZemaPromos would pass the car door test, breh

She probably would

 

[Typical Knicks Fan]

Karl has no superstars on his team (no Wiggins isn't a star), Towns doesn't have Rolo to box out for him, KP has 3 inches on Towns and yet, his rebounding and shot blocking numbers don't show it, and Towns is a much better shooter, even without a star to distract defense. Towns is the star on the team.



Yes, he was out there in garbage time in Milwaukee. 'Melo went to the bench with 3 mins left with NY up 17, KP stayed in the game with the bench. NY got blown out by Miami twice and last night was also a blow out. Reporters even ask Fish why KP is out there in garbage time (Berman asked Fish that after the blowout in Miami when KP had 20 points on 39% shooting). And it's not just blow outs. It's any time the game is in hand and KP isn't playing with the starters. There's a reason he's only rook averaging almost 30mpg.

Okafor and Mudiay averages over 30mpg with much lower efficiency/impact ratings.

 

[Sampson]

:kpzing:

 

[KnickstapeCity]

:kpzing:

:philjacksonlol::philjacksonlol:

 

[Sampson]

Nerlens Noel is not a "nobody" :mjcryuk:

Young Theo Ratliff.

 

[Victim of Racism]

Hard To Take Zema Serious, I'm Done,

Okafor Plays With Nobodies On A Losing Team And Can Get As Many Touches As He Wants

Porzingis Plays With Carmelo Anthony, Gets Limited Touches On A Team That Wins 50% Of Their Games

Give The Guy His Credit And Shut Up, The 76ers Entire Season Is "Garbage Time"

Bye, @KologeroBx. I never sent for you to begin with. I couldn't care less whether or not you take me seriously. Who are you to me? I don't even know you. And I don't have to do anything, You have no authority to instruct me. KP doesn't get limited touches. He gets touches comparable to Arron and his shooting isn't even close to Arron's. Unlike Okafor, KP can't even consistently create his own shot without turning it over (66.7% of his made shots last night were assisted), and when he does get it, he's inefficient most of the time. It is what it is, now go shed another tear.

 

[storyteller]

That's the kind of reaching that makes me point out the things that I point out about KP. He is not better than Okafor at anything, which is why TrashSPN has to use advanced stats. They even make up stats like PER to hype certain players over others. NY has also been padding KP's stats a lot in garbage time. They did so just last night. Okafor is rebounding better than KP for his height and defending better because of the talent he's defending (47% shooters) compared to the talent KP is defending (45% shooters). Not only that, KP isn't even defending anyone for a whole game. He's defending players in spot moments. Fish noted in the Atlanta post-game interview that it's intentional to get him experience. In that game he would guard Splitter and would switch off on Millsap for a few possessions, etc. It inflates his defensive numbers. Then he's switching off on guards, giving up buckets to them, especially late. On/off court is not an individual stat. It's dependent on the other players on the court too. Like the fact that KP was shooting in the 30's before Arron came back and the fact that Sasha and Jose were a poor tandem when they were forced to play together because of Arron's injury. I'll err on the side of thinking the worst about you and assume you already knew that and are purposely being intellectually dishonest. To state that a person performing as well as Okafor is why his team plays poorly shows your desperation to try to make him look like someone he's not, by ignoring the nature of your stat and the fact that his team is tanking.


The kind of reaching you're doing to state that KP makes 'Melo look better is what makes me point out the things that I point out about KP. On/off court is not an individual stat. It's dependent on the other players on the court too. Like the fact that KP was shooting in the 30's before Arron came back and that Sasha and Jose were a poor tandem when they were forced to play together because of Arron's injury. I'll err on the side of thinking the worst about you and assume you already knew that and are purposely being intellectually dishonest. NY has also been padding his stats a lot in garbage time. They did so just last night. Your sentence about his fg% is unintelligible. If you're pointing out the fact that it's higher than 'Melo's, it shows your desperation to try to make him look like someone he's not by ignoring the fact that 'Melo came into the season shooting in the 30's because he's still working his way back from injury.

The fact is, 'Melo has been a Superstar for over a decade and he hasn't and never will need KP to produce like one. 'Melo has been taking scrubs to the playoffs for over a decade, most of which was in a brutal West, and the only times he's missed the playoffs is when the franchise was tanking for KP and THJ. KP needs him, period. Towns and Okafor need no one, period. KP can't even produce like Towns and Okafor with 'Melo, Arron, and several others to distract defenses, giving him open looks. If I'm "biased", then please tell me whom I'm "biased" for and/or against? You're accusing me of "bias" for "making excuses for his numbers" while doing the same to a Superstar (of all players smh) by saying KP is making 'Melo produce, as if 'Melo became elite when KP joined the team. That is pathetic. It really is.

Earlier on, you admitted that Robin's box outs were a great help to KP, now you're back-pedaling. Tells us how many rebounds KP got against Miami in the last game they played when Whiteside was on the floor and not boxed out by Rolo? You keep mentioning his rebounds and blocks like he's Whiteside or someone. Even if Rolo wasn't boxing out so much for him, even if he wasn't stat-padding in garbage time, even if he weren't being defended by weak players, there's nothing impressive about 9.3rbg and 2bpg at 7'3''. There's nothing impressive about 29 points against poor defenders when he won't even shoot against a good defender. And KP isn't even defending anyone for a whole game. He's defending players in spot moments. Fish noted in the Atlanta post-game interview that it's intentional to get him experience. In that game he would guard Splitter and would switch off on Millsap for a few possessions, etc. It inflates his defensive numbers. Then he's switching off on guards, giving up buckets to them, especially late.

I didn't even want this fight because I love KP, but @Liquid inexplicably sent for me. I really wanted to move on to the things he brings that I enjoy about him, but you ruined it by throwing 'Melo under the bus yet again. Like 'Melo told Jason, "we not gon' have that".

I'm using actual statistics to point out simple facts. KP makes Melo better the same way Melo makes KP better...that's a fact. The statistics say so. I bring up Melo's poor FG% because there's an obvious reason it's low, he's coming back from a surgery...same for KP, rookies face a learning curve. When you wed yourself to one statistic as your basis of criticism, but ignore it for another...that's a clear sign of bias. Which is why I'm bowing it, you're wasting my time.

 

[Victim of Racism]

Okafor and Mudiay averages over 30mpg with much lower efficiency/impact ratings.

I meant on the Knicks. Mudiay is trash and Philly is tanking. And again, why do y'all keep pulling out that on/off court stat as if it's an individual stat? If you don't know that it depends on who else is on the court as well, then why keep using a stat you don't understand? An illustration of the on/off court stat is that KP was shooting in the 30's before Arron came back and the fact that Sasha and Jose were a poor tandem when they were forced to play together because of Arron's injury. If you do understand it, why be intellectually dishonest?

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

If they weren't good, they weren't need to tank. They'd just lose naturally, instead of throwing games at the end, like NY did last season. They just wanna stack the deck for who knows how long

What??? What are you trying to say?