Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

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Not really sure what to expect this year out of the Knicks.

It really comes down to how Melo and Rose play together. Rose is a great passer, but that can potentially be wasted if Melo decides to hang on the wing and eat the ball whenever he gets it thrown his way. Ball movement is so crucial here man and it needs to be emphasized immediately for us to have any sort of shot at a nice playoff run.

Also can't have Rose trying to drop 20+ a night either, he is just not that player anymore regardless of how well he played in stretches last year. A consistent breakdown I think the knicks can work with is Melo with 22-24 per game working within the flow of the game and be the finisher he can be. Rose and KP with 15-16 per game and the others contributing as much as possible. Also, outside of Melo I am not sure I want Rose and KP to shoot too many 3 pointers this year. We aren't the warriors...and I don't care that the rest of the NBA has fallen in love with the 3 point shot.

Jennings is at 35% for his career which is not bad.
Rose Career 3 point percentage is 30 :huhldup:
KP shot 33%

If Noah can be half of what he was on defense then we have a fighting chance at a top 5-6 seed....maybe. Jennings should be able to provide a nice spark as well.

Cleveland
Toronto
Indiana (should have beaten the raptors last year)
Miami
Chicago

Those 5 should finish ahead of us in the east and Boston will likely fight with us throughout the year as well. Washington is too unpredictable to count on them and who knows what is going to happen with the Hawks.

Low Key the East has improved significantly despite the west having 2 of the top 3 teams in the NBA.
 
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____ said:
Not really sure what to expect this year out of the Knicks.

It really comes down to how Melo and Rose play together. Rose is a great passer, but that can potentially be wasted if Melo decides to hang on the wing and eat the ball whenever he gets it thrown his way. Ball movement is so crucial here man and it needs to be emphasized immediately for us to have any sort of shot at a nice playoff run.

Also can't have Rose trying to drop 20+ a night either, he is just not that player anymore regardless of how well he played in stretches last year. A consistent breakdown I think the knicks can work with is Melo with 22-24 per game working within the flow of the game and be the finisher he can be. Rose and KP with 15-16 per game and the others contributing as much as possible. Also, outside of Melo I am not sure I want Rose and KP to shoot too many 3 pointers this year. We aren't the warriors...and I don't care that the rest of the NBA has fallen in love with the 3 point shot.

Jennings is at 35% for his career which is not bad.
Rose Career 3 point percentage is 30 :huhldup:
KP shot 33%

If Noah can be half of what he was on defense then we have a fighting chance at a top 5-6 seed....maybe. Jennings should be able to provide a nice spark as well.

Cleveland
Toronto
Indiana (should have beaten the raptors last year)
Miami
Chicago

Those 5 should finish ahead of us in the east and Boston will likely fight with us throughout the year as well. Washington is too unpredictable to count on them and who knows what is going to happen with the Hawks.

Low Key the East has improved significantly despite the west having 2 of the top 3 teams in the NBA.
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Miami & Chicago as constructed right now are not better than us.
 
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I don't necessarily think you understand what "high reward low risk" means. What exactly is the high reward?

I have always liked lance's game. I knew he was an NBA player when most writers (and definitely most posters) were saying he wasn't shyt, and would be playing for the second division in la liga... But he's wildly inconsistent, his ability to distribute has fallen the fukk off, and he never really developed into the defender we hoped he'd become. I still think he's a force in the open court, I actually DO think he would be useful for the knicks... but if they are worried about him being able to stay focused in New York, well so am I.

For the most part, I tend to reject the "he's a distraction" tags on players... and I think with right coach and cast, he really could still flourish/revive his career as an impact player. But I don't think he can do that in new york. Which is a shame, because I think melo would be an AWESOME influence on him, and I think Hornacek is creative enough to really put him in great positions.

But the city and its lifestyle is a lot to handle. JR Smith admitted it got he best of him, his family and people aren't here.
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High reward - the lance of Memphis comes to the Knicks and provides us great depth off the bench as a combo guard

Low risk- we sign him to a cheap contract (his contract to n.o is only like 100 k guaranteed) and if he plays bad, we have a steady rotation anyway, he goes to the bench, Or we cut him.

Ppl don't even wanna give him a chance lmao

Jr balled out for is when we had a good team and veterans to keep him in check. He becomes a problem when he has too much power/responsibility. Lance the same way

We talking about a 14th/15 man here
 
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____ said:
Not really sure what to expect this year out of the Knicks.

It really comes down to how Melo and Rose play together. Rose is a great passer, but that can potentially be wasted if Melo decides to hang on the wing and eat the ball whenever he gets it thrown his way. Ball movement is so crucial here man and it needs to be emphasized immediately for us to have any sort of shot at a nice playoff run.

Also can't have Rose trying to drop 20+ a night either, he is just not that player anymore regardless of how well he played in stretches last year. A consistent breakdown I think the knicks can work with is Melo with 22-24 per game working within the flow of the game and be the finisher he can be. Rose and KP with 15-16 per game and the others contributing as much as possible. Also, outside of Melo I am not sure I want Rose and KP to shoot too many 3 pointers this year. We aren't the warriors...and I don't care that the rest of the NBA has fallen in love with the 3 point shot.

Jennings is at 35% for his career which is not bad.
Rose Career 3 point percentage is 30 :huhldup:
KP shot 33%

If Noah can be half of what he was on defense then we have a fighting chance at a top 5-6 seed....maybe. Jennings should be able to provide a nice spark as well.

Cleveland
Toronto
Indiana (should have beaten the raptors last year)
Miami
Chicago

Those 5 should finish ahead of us in the east and Boston will likely fight with us throughout the year as well. Washington is too unpredictable to count on them and who knows what is going to happen with the Hawks.

Low Key the East has improved significantly despite the west having 2 of the top 3 teams in the NBA.
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Pistons and Celtics are the other top four seeds not the Pacers, Heat or Bulls. :mjlol:
You're whining about this team taking three pointers. As opposed to what??? Taking more long mid ranged twos and more post ups. :mindblown:
Team had their most successful season in the last 15 years in 2013 when they made the most threes in the NBA. :childplease:
 
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Miami & Chicago as constructed right now are not better than us.
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Yeah I don't know, I am not going to go ahead and overrate our squad because we have a bunch of names. I want to see what Rose and Noah can give us for the whole year.

Chicago has Wade and Butler...those 2 should play well together and will be a problem. Miami is under the assumption that Bosh is coming back...long shot, but if not then yeah Miami is not there.
 
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Pistons and Celtics are the other top four seeds not the Pacers, Heat or Bulls. :mjlol:
You're whining about this team taking three pointers. As opposed to what??? Taking more long mid ranged twos and more post ups. :mindblown:
Team had their most successful season in the last 15 years in 2013 when they made the most threes in the NBA. :childplease:
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Ball movement and 2 players that are pretty god near the rim (Rose and Melo). I am just not sold on any team outside of the Warriors jacking up 3s like crazy. We have ONE player that can get incredibly hot from 3 and that is Melo. You are comfortable with Rose, KP and Jennings jacking up a crazy amount of 3s the whole season? Please tell me you are joking :huhldup:

I still think the Pistons have some growing to do. The Pacers have Paul George and if healthy can carry any team to a top 4 seed. He almost beat the raptors by himself in the playoffs.

Heat - Depends highly on what happens with Bosh.

Bulls? Yeah you guys are counting out Wade like that...I am not. Wade and Butler should cause some headaches.
 
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Ball movement and 2 players that are pretty god near the rim (Rose and Melo). I am just not sold on any team outside of the Warriors jacking up 3s like crazy. We have ONE player that can get incredibly hot from 3 and that is Melo. You are comfortable with Rose, KP and Jennings jacking up a crazy amount of 3s the whole season? Please tell me you are joking :huhldup:

I still think the Pistons have some growing to do. The Pacers have Paul George and if healthy can carry any team to a top 4 seed. He almost beat the raptors by himself in the playoffs.

Heat - Depends highly on what happens with Bosh.

Bulls? Yeah you guys are counting out Wade like that...I am not. Wade and Butler should cause some headaches.
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It's not about how many 3s you take. It's about the quality of 3s you take. Those percentages will likely go up if they're getting better shots.

Rose's Drive and Kicks will likely result in everyone shooting better.

Melo shot at a decent clip WHILE NOT GETTING GREAT SHOTS.

If everyone does their job. And with an en elite slashing PG (when healthy), we can definitely shoot more threes, and get higher quality 3s. If there was ever a time to shoot 3s, it's when KP, Melo, Courtney Lee, are all on the court with an elite slashing PG who can suck the D in (:dame:) and then kick out to the shooters.

Spacing and ball movement will be key. The extra pass as well.
 
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Ball movement and 2 players that are pretty god near the rim (Rose and Melo). I am just not sold on any team outside of the Warriors jacking up 3s like crazy. We have ONE player that can get incredibly hot from 3 and that is Melo. You are comfortable with Rose, KP and Jennings jacking up a crazy amount of 3s the whole season? Please tell me you are joking :huhldup:

I still think the Pistons have some growing to do. The Pacers have Paul George and if healthy can carry any team to a top 4 seed. He almost beat the raptors by himself in the playoffs.

Heat - Depends highly on what happens with Bosh.

Bulls? Yeah you guys are counting out Wade like that...I am not. Wade and Butler should cause some headaches.
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Well, the Cavs made the second most threes in the regular season and the playoffs. And they just won the title. Where in my post did I say I want Jennings, Rose or KP "jacking up a crazy amount of 3s"???
There needs to be more emphasis on creating easier shots... using more PNR, forcing opponents to turnover the ball, pushing the pace, and less midrange shots and postups. Team led the league in midrange attempts and fourth in shots attempted from 16-24.

Pistons have a young, improving core and a great coach. The additions of Smith, Boban and Leuer can fortify their bench which was their biggest weakness.
Pacers took a big step with the loss of Vogel, Mahinmi and Hill. Bird is placing emphasis on pushing the pace when he just hired a coach in Nate Mcmillan whose teams have historically finished in the league in pace. :mjlol:
Defense is going to take a step back with Young and Teague in starting lineups. Pieces don't really fit with each other.
No Wade,Joe Johnson and Deng. How are they going to score with no playmakers on their roster besides Dragic??? Bosh ain't staying healthy.
Bulls are a horribly constructed roster. Three ball dominant players (Wade, Butler and Rondo). Rondo and Wade can't stay healthy. None of them can space the floor. Their frontcourt has better shooters than their backcourt does. Hoiberg is going to be in over his head dealing with all of those massive egos.
 
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