Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

[Miles Davis]

If we can get Noah on a cheap contract as a person to keep dudes motivated I ain't got no problem.

 

[23Barrettcity]

Let's get it brehs

I really want Noah in NYC .he belongs here

 

[Trip]

If we can get Noah on a cheap contract as a person to keep dudes motivated I ain't got no problem.

If they go ahead and offer Noah more money than they were paying Lopez then...

 

[Miles Davis]

If they go ahead and offer Noah more money than they were paying Lopez then...

That's why I'm saying cheap, not long term also. We need someone that's not gonna let us start lethargic like we have these past seasons at times and get on dudes to play.

 

[Retired Account]

Let's get it brehs

The wizards might give him the max

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

I was thinking 8-10 mil, Wizards said fukk that, give him a max If that happens every Wizards fan has the right to jump ship a find a new team to be fans of.

 

[I.V.]

Okay, now I see a reason to criticize.

Is it true that a lot of the prospect that the Knicks were looking at didn't get drafted at all?

A good amount of the guys that they worked out did not get drafted, correct.

But many of them are ALSO signing elsewhere as undrafted FA's, which is distressing.

Signing guys to one year deals, intstead of the partial 3 year deals, expecting to sift through UDFA's, instead of buying a pick to seize a little more control... it's these little things that the knicks don't do well, that good franchises have a feel for. Most of it is nuance, none of it is make or break... but they are the kind of moves that smart means utilize in order to build a stronger roster, and give themselves a shot at "profiting" so to speak, on these smaller bets.

The Galloway contract is the perfect example of how the knicks fukk this up, cost themselves money, AND risk losing a talent.

There are a few guys mid to late in the second round that I think have a shot at being really fukking useful. And the money spent to acquire a pick has NO impact on the team.

It's a minor gripe, and if Phil Jackson hadn't spent the last month talking about all of these second round players he liked, I guess I would be less annoyed. But this team does NOT have many players right now. And every time you turn down the opportunity to bring on or keep a young guy, you are turning down the opportunity to give yourself somebody to surround KP with. It's the same reason I've always hated trading AWAY picks.

 

[Trip]

did Walkup from SF Austin get picked up yet? Analytics geeks loved him.

 

[Derek Lee]

None of those dudes would have bought anything to the roster anytime soon, if at all. If he had acquired a 2 rd pick it would've been better used on a draft and stash prospect. This Draft was super average. Why pay 2 mil on fringe NBA prospect like Bentil (not including actually signing him) when you can sign a veteran big man to be the 14-15th man on the roster. It was no talent in the 1st rd that really stood out let alone the 2nd rd.

That's not true. You can always find great value in the second round. In the last five years alone, the most notable second round picks include Parsons, Crowder, Draymond, Crabbe, Middleton, Powell, Jokic, Richardson and Powell. The cash itself doesn't even count the Knicks' cap like @I.V. said. It was a wasted opportunity for the Knicks to capitalize on.

 

[23Barrettcity]

That's not true. You can always find great value in the second round. In the last five years alone, the most notable second round picks include Parsons, Crowder, Draymond, Crabbe, Middleton, Powell, Jokic, Richardson and Powell. The cash itself doesn't even count the Knicks' cap like @I.V. said. It was a wasted opportunity for the Knicks to capitalize on.

A good amount of the guys that they worked out did not get drafted, correct.

But many of them are ALSO signing elsewhere as undrafted FA's, which is distressing.

Signing guys to one year deals, intstead of the partial 3 year deals, expecting to sift through UDFA's, instead of buying a pick to seize a little more control... it's these little things that the knicks don't do well, that good franchises have a feel for. Most of it is nuance, none of it is make or break... but they are the kind of moves that smart means utilize in order to build a stronger roster, and give themselves a shot at "profiting" so to speak, on these smaller bets.

The Galloway contract is the perfect example of how the knicks fukk this up, cost themselves money, AND risk losing a talent.

There are a few guys mid to late in the second round that I think have a shot at being really fukking useful. And the money spent to acquire a pick has NO impact on the team.

It's a minor gripe, and if Phil Jackson hadn't spent the last month talking about all of these second round players he liked, I guess I would be less annoyed. But this team does NOT have many players right now. And every time you turn down the opportunity to bring on or keep a young guy, you are turning down the opportunity to give yourself somebody to surround KP with. It's the same reason I've always hated trading AWAY picks.

You both make good points but if Phil didn't see the value in the players for the money I trust his opinion

 

[thatrapsfan]

Nah, cant keep giving away future picks ... and what good is Rubio when we have Rose? I dont want Rubios contract eating into 2017 capspace too

I do like the idea of Dieng next to Porzingis ... but hes not worth the cost of taking on Rubios contract and giving up a 1st

This dude just seamlessly became a fan overnight. Well played

 

[Willy Waffle]

A good amount of the guys that they worked out did not get drafted, correct.

But many of them are ALSO signing elsewhere as undrafted FA's, which is distressing.

Signing guys to one year deals, intstead of the partial 3 year deals, expecting to sift through UDFA's, instead of buying a pick to seize a little more control... it's these little things that the knicks don't do well, that good franchises have a feel for. Most of it is nuance, none of it is make or break... but they are the kind of moves that smart means utilize in order to build a stronger roster, and give themselves a shot at "profiting" so to speak, on these smaller bets.

The Galloway contract is the perfect example of how the knicks fukk this up, cost themselves money, AND risk losing a talent.

There are a few guys mid to late in the second round that I think have a shot at being really fukking useful. And the money spent to acquire a pick has NO impact on the team.

It's a minor gripe, and if Phil Jackson hadn't spent the last month talking about all of these second round players he liked, I guess I would be less annoyed. But this team does NOT have many players right now. And every time you turn down the opportunity to bring on or keep a young guy, you are turning down the opportunity to give yourself somebody to surround KP with. It's the same reason I've always hated trading AWAY picks.

shawn long (c), cat barber (g) (had impressive workout according to kurt rambis) and chris fowler (g) all guys who the knicks loved in tryouts that didn't get drafted. fuk overpaying any of these vets. there's tooooooooooooooooo much talent out there that didn't get drafted. if we don't pick up some of these dudes, then i don't know what to say.

not a OKC fan but to sam presti, i respect his philosphy about building a team from the draft.

 

[Prodyson]

What's ya'lls opinion on a 2 year 18-20 mil contract with player option on the second year for Harrison Barnes?

He clearly played himself out of some money this season, but he could be a young athletic 3 and D guy who's looking to prove something and earn a bigger contract when cap goes up again next year.

Is he restricted or unrestricted?

Edit: nevermind, he's restricted so that may not be enough to sign him.

But as a sidenote. If GSW does end up getting Durant we need figure out how to get Iggy as he is rumored to be the odd man out in that scenario

 

[TrillaMonsoon]

damn @Brozay

 

[I.V.]

None of those dudes would have bought anything to the roster anytime soon, if at all. If he had acquired a 2 rd pick it would've been better used on a draft and stash prospect. This Draft was super average. Why pay 2 mil on fringe NBA prospect like Bentil (not including actually signing him) when you can sign a veteran big man to be the 14-15th man on the roster. It was no talent in the 1st rd that really stood out let alone the 2nd rd.

This is backwards thinking. Because either way you can still sign veteran nobodies to fill in your roster. The idea of grabbing somebody like Bentil, for example (who wouldn't be my first choice) - is that he has a chance to develop, and if he does, if he turns into more than roster filler -- which these veteran bigs will not, because they are known quantities -- you have him for the next 2-3 years, and have the advantage in re-signing him.

This team is rebuilding. They are not good right now. Which means you should be betting on potential, rather than X Veteran player as a 15th man.

And that 2 million doesn't count toward the cap, doesn't impact roster structure in any way. So there is no opportunity cost. If you are arguing over that money, you are basically arguing to protect Dolan's personal financials, which I can't imagine anybody here cares about.

You both make good points but if Phil didn't see the value in the players for the money I trust his opinion

That's fair, and totally up to you.

Personally, Phil Jackson has not showed me that he has a great critical eye for this kind of stuff, and actually seems to have some problems with attention to detail.

Like I said, though... none of this stuff is make or break. FA starts up soon, and we're about to be cooking in here.