Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

[seemorecizzy]

spending 100 mil on mike conley, an injury pron pg who hasnt made an allstar team is insane.
we know our history with big contracts and injuries, we asking for trouble

might as well wait until next season and try to throw 100 milly a pg who actually deserves it in westbrook

 

[Prodyson]

Signing Mike Conley is mortgaging the future. Team needs draft picks which in turn are good players on team friendly deals.

Well I'd agree that giving Conley the max is not a good idea. Even if he was healthy it would be a questionable move. But now, it doesn't make any sense at all to me.

But I'm also not of the belief that we should be trying to tank either. Get some good solid players and start building right now for the future

 

[KOBE]

motherfukker didn't know woodstock. :

 

[I.V.]

Why is it an assumption that you have to mortgage the future to get to 40 wins? The Knicks have enough pieces right now and the East is mediocre enough for that to be a reasonable goal without doing too much to get there. If Melo didn't get hurt they might have gotten to 40 wins. Hell, they got 32 wins and lost every single game he didn't play in.

They need to start building now, and maintain steady progress so they're not just beginning to try to build a contender when KP meets his potential. They need to at least be solid so that hopefully they'll just need 1 or 2 pieces when he's in his prime.

I guess my point is you don't have to mortgage the future to get to 40 wins. You can just improve. Small improvements on this team could get them near .500, I think. But I don't think they're one players (on the conley level) away from being a top 3 team in the East. And for all this "the East is mediocre" shyt that gets talked on this board. The East was stronger top-to-bottom than the west this season. Look it up.

We agree that they need a a steady build, based on the trajectory of their move valuable player -- which is Porzingis. Trying to be good for Melo's "window" is silly. His window as a superstar is shut. That's over with. They tried to sell out and be "good enough to compete in the east" for Melo, and it set them back 5 years.

Everything we do should be geared toward the next 10 years, and while Melo's upcoming 2-3 years of post prime good play is a part of that, the real goal is to be assembling a team that REMAINS competitive, and gets better through the next decade. That is how great franchises operate.

 

[storyteller]

Knicks Interested In Jordan Clarkson - RealGM Wiretap

The New York Knicks have interest in pursuing Jordan Clarkson in restricted free agency.

The Knicks' biggest needs this offseason are in the backcourt.

It has been widely assumed that the Los Angeles Lakers will re-sign Clarkson.

Clarkson was a second round pick in 2014 and averaged 15.5 points, 4.0 rebounds and 2.4 assists in 32.3 minutes per game in 15-16 for the Lakers.

Never really felt Clarkson's game even though his numbers are impressive for his age and experience. I also assumed LA would match any offer. But with LA looking to make big signings, maybe getting him to sign something early would cause them to think twice. I'll take Clarkson at just about any number over maxing Conley off achilles surgery. I don't trust that injury on a PG at that age and it's even scarier if he gets 25 mil starting.

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

I guess my point is you don't have to mortgage the future to get to 40 wins. You can just improve. Small improvements on this team could get them near .500, I think. But I don't think they're one players (on the conley level) away from being a top 3 team in the East. And for all this "the East is mediocre" shyt that gets talked on this board. The East was stronger top-to-bottom than the west this season. Look it up.

We agree that they need a a steady build, based on the trajectory of their move valuable player -- which is Porzingis. Trying to be good for Melo's "window" is silly. His window as a superstar is shut. That's over with. They tried to sell out and be "good enough to compete in the east" for Melo, and it set them back 5 years.

Everything we do should be geared toward the next 10 years, and while Melo's upcoming 2-3 years of post prime good play is a part of that, the real goal is to be assembling a team that REMAINS competitive, and gets better through the next decade. That is how great franchises operate.

The only standout team in the East is Cleveland, after that any team could get got in the playoffs. The Knicks are a couple pieces from playoff contention. Free agents aren't looking to be part of a rebuilding process, they're looking to win. in the summer of 2017, a Knicks playoff team that was a lower seed is a better sell to potential free agents than a team that missed the playoffs for the 4th straight season.

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

Cats on RealGM are going nuts over the possibility of Durant

They talm bout Durants dad is a die hard Knicks fan. Them brehs gonna do it to themselves again.

 

[Carolina Slim]

Cats on RealGM are going nuts over the possibility of Durant

They talm bout Durants dad is a die hard Knicks fan. Them brehs gonna do it to themselves again.

LOL I was gonna mention that here... The last I saw, that thread was at something like 15 pages.... They my nikkas, but

 

[I.V.]

The only standout team in the East is Cleveland, after that any team could get got in the playoffs. The Knicks are a couple pieces from playoff contention. Free agents aren't looking to be part of a rebuilding process, they're looking to win. in the summer of 2017, a Knicks playoff team that was a lower seed is a better sell to potential free agents than a team that missed the playoffs for the 4th straight season.

Of course.

I would ALWAYS PREFER WE MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. I would prefer we go undefeated.


But the point is, at what cost. What is the return on an investment? You could improve to 40-44 wins with small upgrades in players and changes in scheming, Improvement by Porzingis and Grant, and a healthier melo.


But if you spend 120 Mil on Conley, invest in him til he's 34? I don't think that buys you ANOTHER 10 wins on top of that.

Cost-Benefit analysis basics.

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

Of course.

I would ALWAYS PREFER WE MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. I would prefer we go undefeated.


But the point is, at what cost. What is the return on an investment? You could improve to 40-44 wins with small upgrades in players and changes in scheming, Improvement by Porzingis and Grant, and a healthier melo.


But if you spend 120 Mil on Conley, invest in him til he's 34? I don't think that buys you ANOTHER 10 wins on top of that.

Cost-Benefit analysis basics.

I think you're missing the point. Nobody wants Conley for the max or near max it really isn't worth it.

 

[Miles Davis]

 

[I.V.]

I think you're missing the point. Nobody wants Conley for the max or near max it really isn't worth it.

I'm using Conley as a signifier. He is representative of the kind of investment/move the Knicks should not make, because the return would not be worth it.

The fact is, SOMEBODY is going to max Conley out, unless he stays in Memphis on a hometown discount. I (like you, it seems) don't think the knicks should be that team.

But the overall point is this: If you can improve by 6-8 games for cheap, we should not overspend to improve by 10. I think their approach to last offseason was correct, look for good deals and value, improve the roster where you can, and don't take a huge shot JUST to take a huge shot.

Obviously if this team can sign Durant or LeBron they should do everything in their power to make those moves. But that's a pipe dream.

But Crabbe on the wing? Or trying to steal away Clarkson on a decent RFA offer? Maybe those are more reasonable upgrades, that don't limit your future flexibility, after this team improves and is even more marketable to bigger/better free agents.

I don't know why you started arguing with me if you agree with my original point.

 

[inndaskKy]

Homie said "New Deal of what?"

Spoiler

fukk Kimmel for asking if AD even finished college though.

 

[HabeeNo]

NY with another L

 

[GhostoftheMan]