Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

Tyler Johnson, Solomon Hill and Matthew Dellavedova should be looked at too.

They would be good choices too

 

[JerseyFinest!]

Lin would be a good fit, since he can play sg too, but outside of him I'd rather not go after any pg and give Grant a chance to shine. His shot looked good towards the end of this season, and as long as he keeps improving his jumper he's bound to take a big step forward. I think the focus should be on finding younger wings who have some upside to them and can stretch the floor.

My ideal target list
1: Nicolas Batum
2.Evan Fournier
3. Allen Crabbe
4. Kent Bazemore
5. Bradley Beal ( not for a max though, but that's probably what it would take to get him )

I'd be iffy on a Derozan signing, but after these guys I can't think of any other guys I'd want on the team. There's already enough front court players on the team, so I don't see a need to go after any unless Phil plans on getting creative and flipping one of them first.

What's the Market on Bazemore and Crabbe looking like?

I like everyone on that list game, but from I've read (which could be BS) those other 3 teams are definitely going to re-sign them no matter what it takes.

 

[Illuminatos]

I'm sort of excited now.

No more of that bullshyt slow-pace, Lopez iso post-up, jack up contested mid-range bullshyt offense we were running last season.

We're finally pushing the pace and going small.

Last time we went small we fukked around and won 54 games. Hopefully we see the same success.

 

[Shogun]

Looks like the the kind of hire where he'll serve during the rebeuilding process, but is any easy fire when it's time to really make a move. I give him 3 years, tops.

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

What's the Market on Bazemore and Crabbe looking like?

I like everyone on that list game, but from I've read (which could be BS) those other 3 teams are definitely going to re-sign them no matter what it takes.

I think Bazemore could get 10-14 mil a year, and same goes for Allen Crabbe, but you gotta watch out for desperate teams like the Lakers and Nets driving up the price on these guys. Of the group I mentioned, Beal, Fournier, and Crabbe are restricted free agents. I think it's likely Crabbe returns to the Trailblazers unless some team throws some crazy numbers at him. Fournier on the other hand, I think a contract starting at 16 mill and up starts to scare off Orlando from re-signing him. 16 mil and up would be a slight overpay for Fournier, but he's talented and only 22, so it's likely he would improve enough to live up to his contract. I'm sure Washington feels pressed to resign Beal, but a max offer would give them pause too, regardless of what they say. Beal's lack of durability means giving him a max would be a huge risk, but his upside still makes him intriguing enough to at least think about it.

Of all the free agents I mentioned, Bazemore seems the like the most realistic target the Knicks can land.I can't imagine the Hawks spending all of their cap space just to retain a diminishing core in an improving eastern conference. I think the Hawks will be very reluctant to break the bank for Bazemore and will go after someone cheaper if the price gets too high for them.

 

[nomoreneveragain]

Crabbe is the guy the Knicks should target.

 

[storyteller]

2. What else do you foresee and advise for the Knicks this offseason?


Elhassan: Nobody's signing in New York for anything less than above-market value, so you can strike names like Kevin Durant, Al Horford and Mike Conley off the list. Trying to quick fix this team isn't going to work -- they now have a lucrative centerpiece to build around in Kristaps Porzingis, so the smart play is to find young vets who fit his developmental timeline.


Webb: The Knicks have New York City and cap space, but what else with which to lure a star free agent? They need to take the Portland route of getting pre-peak players at discount rates rather than "established" role players. Will they be that patient? Doubt it. But they might have to settle for that route, like it or not.

Pelton: Something broadly similar to last summer: After striking out on the top free agents, the Knicks give short-term deals to second-tier free agents who don't move the needle. I'd advise trying to look for young free agents who match Porzingis' timeline, not Carmelo Anthony's.




3. Is it time for the Knicks and Carmelo Anthony to part ways?
Elhassan: Melo's no-trade clause notwithstanding, it's time to aggressively shop him. If they can get a first-round pick for him, great. But waiting until after the first week of free agency might yield some desperate suitors who have struck out in the market and want something to show for their cap space.

Pelton: From their standpoint, yes. But despite his financial incentive to approve a trade and the resulting trade bonus, Anthony seems relatively happy in the Big Apple. As long as that is the case, Anthony's no-trade clause means he isn't going anywhere.

Clipped these responses because these dudes are on the exact same page I've been on for a hot minute and it's always good to get that co-sign from people who get paid to do it.

 

[The War Report]

Cookout at my spot this weekend. We gotta celebrate Been workin on greens and red beans n rice recipes that's gonna have y'all





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[Miles Davis]

Run up on me, breh. I'll break your collarbone, pay for your ER visit, get you to the best orthopedic surgeon in the city (he fixed Ryan McDonaugh's shoulder! My dad plays squash with his uncle!), I'll comp your physical therapy and work on your resume, to see if we can get you an internship. You know anything about new media? No matter, I'll get somebody to teach you some coding too. My cousin does all the cyber-protection for the TV networks, he goes by Shark Zuckerberg. You ever heard of him?

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[Wargames]

Crabbe is the guy the Knicks should target.

Yep efficient 3pt shooting system SG who did well for Stott's team because he played within the system. He was the 3rd/4th option and would go off against top teams. Even in his exit interview he was talking about looking forward to playing for a team with a system.

Also his cap hold is like 2 mil. An offer like 14-16 mil would cut deep in Portlands FA if they don't have their own FA targets signed to match. Plus they have other more important FA to sign like Harkless and I think Myers.

 

[storyteller]

Do you think we should go after Jeremy Lin? He patterns his game after Dragic who had a good run in Phoenix with Hornacek as coach. We can even go after players who were off the list because they weren't triangle players, like Rondo, who would improve our defense right away.

I haven't really been a fan of Rondo's defense since his last knee issues in Boston. If we were looking to add a defensive player, I'd be cool with inquiring about George Hill. He'll be over 30, but he'd be a cool stop gap on an expiring contract that only takes 8 million bones. I doubt we have much for the Pacers, but new coach and a first round exit that management wasn't thrilled with...I'd take a shot the same as I would with Teague and Rubio. I also just don't believe Dolan will let Lin back, he made sense to add last offseason and didn't even get a whiff which I think was more a Dolan decision. Phil would typically be all over an ivy league, heady PG type.

Adding Crabbe or Bazemore would be a boost to the backcourt defense too.

 

[Derek Lee]

 

[nomoreneveragain]

Yep efficient 3pt shooting system SG who did well for Stott's team because he played within the system. He was the 3rd/4th option and would go off against top teams. Even in his exit interview he was talking about looking forward to playing for a team with a system.

Also his cap hold is like 2 mil. An offer like 14-16 mil would cut deep in Portlands FA if they don't have their own FA targets signed to match. Plus they have other more important FA to sign like Harkless and I think Myers.

He's got a fluid game. He can put the ball on the floor, make plays.

Some of these system players can't do anything but shoot the 3 (e.g Danny Green).

Make him sign an offer sheet early and then you can plan your off season accordingly.

 

[Wargames]

He's got a fluid game. He can put the ball on the floor, make plays.

Some of these system players can't do anything but shoot the 3 (e.g Danny Green).

Make him sign an offer sheet early and then you can plan your off season accordingly.

Yep I think he has room to grow and is mostly under the radar. Plus Portland has better guards and a few other RFA's to worry about at positions the need more. He's primed to get stolen if a team is aggressive enough. It shouldn't require a foolishly large amount

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

I don't see everyone's love fest with Bazemore