Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

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Actually, he would have been best served playing the 4 for D'Antoni... as that's the way the league has shifted, and the way he currently prefers to play. :manny:


Doesn't make a difference. What's done is done. Trade him for picks and young players, or push forward with him, and see if you can attract young free agents.

Dantoni had him running the offense though IIRC. Then tried to "propel" a Jeremy Lin over melo which he (rightfully) got upset about. He willingly bought into Woodson and played the 4 under him. Willingly bought into the triangle. If I had to choose, I'd rather push forward with Melo but wouldn't be upset if we traded him.
 

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Actually, he would have been best served playing the 4 for D'Antoni... as that's the way the league has shifted, and the way he currently prefers to play. :manny:


Doesn't make a difference. What's done is done. Trade him for picks and young players, or push forward with him, and see if you can attract young free agents.

Dantoni had him running the offense though IIRC. Then tried to "propel" a Jeremy Lin over melo which he (rightfully) got upset about. He willingly bought into Woodson and played the 4 under him. Willingly bought into the triangle. If I had to choose, I'd rather push forward with Melo but wouldn't be upset if we traded him.
 

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Draft picks. Take a page out of what the Timberwolves are doing.

@Cory MBA the 76ers are just dumbasses. The second they knew they were going with Okafor, Noel should have been on the block. Embiid will likely never play at a high level at this point, but that's the risk you take with an injured big coming into the league.

For as much as Melo is a "Veteran" he still demands to be the #1 option who is not a good team player and wants to win. Winning is not going to happen on the Knicks on a consistent basis until Melo is 35-36. Unless Phil can somehow convince superstars to play on the Knicks... I'll love to see what he tries to do.

Respectfully disagree with this. Carmelo showed he's willing to do whatever to win. He became a really good team player this year.
 

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Melo was right in both of those situations though. He buys in when there's something to buy into...


Actually, he would have been best served playing the 4 for D'Antoni... as that's the way the league has shifted, and the way he currently prefers to play. :manny:


Doesn't make a difference at this point, though. What's done is done. Trade him for picks and young players, or push forward with him, and see if you can attract quality free agents. Whether that's a known quantity like a Mike Conley, who would put this team into the playoffs, or a more rick/reward type investment.

And find a fukking coach, unless you're planning on tanking.
 

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Dantoni had him running the offense though IIRC. Then tried to "propel" a Jeremy Lin over melo which he (rightfully) got upset about. He willingly bought into Woodson and played the 4 under him. Willingly bought into the triangle. If I had to choose, I'd rather push forward with Melo but wouldn't be upset if we traded him.

This stuff is all agenda weirdness. I'm not arguing that D'Antoni did a good job, he didn't. He also was not provided with the kinds of players he would have needed to be any version of successful. It was all a disaster.


That being said -- Melo's best position is a stretch 4 that gives him the ability to work outside-in. To get as many open jumpers from the outside as he can... and work off that to get to the hoop against bigger guys.

As we saw this season with this distribution, running the offense is not really the problem... he can pass, he can identify and find open guys, he can even get excited/inspired by sharing the spotlight with a teammate.... Woodson's offense was horrible, and worked against what is best for Melo. He just like Woodson more.

Woodson was NOT "worth buying into" -- and honestly, neither was D'Antoni. But the style of play that D'Antoni was pushing, more possessions, more open threes, more transition -- that is better for Melo's game, than slowing it down and having to beat guys 1-on-1, where he ends up settling for long jumpers anyway.

And really, the fact that melo "bought into" woodson, is exactly why he shouldn't be a deciding factor in picking the next coach. He didn't like the Porzingis pick, either. He doesn't know what's best for the team, or himself. He only knows what he wants.
 

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This stuff is all agenda weirdness. I'm not arguing that D'Antoni did a good job, he didn't. He also was not provided with the kinds of players he would have needed to be any version of successful. It was all a disaster.


That being said -- Melo's best position is a stretch 4 that gives him the ability to work outside-in. To get as many open jumpers from the outside as he can... and work off that to get to the hoop against bigger guys.

As we saw this season with this distribution, running the offense is not really the problem... he can pass, he can identify and find open guys, he can even get excited/inspired by sharing the spotlight with a teammate.... Woodson's offense was horrible, and worked against what is best for Melo. He just like Woodson more.

Woodson was NOT "worth buying into" -- and honestly, neither was D'Antoni. But the style of play that D'Antoni was pushing, more possessions, more open threes, more transition -- that is better for Melo's game, than slowing it down and having to beat guys 1-on-1, where he ends up settling for long jumpers anyway.

And really, the fact that melo "bought into" woodson, is exactly why he shouldn't be a deciding factor in picking the next coach. He didn't like the Porzingis pick, either. He doesn't know what's best for the team, or himself. He only knows what he wants.

Woodson enabled laziness. His offense was also lazy...Melo bought into Woodson because he got away with whatever he wanted.
 

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He didn't want to leave, that trade hurt him & Shump's feelings.

JR has been, and still is one of my all-time favorite players, and I'm hoping he finally wins a ring, it just sucks that it couldn't happen here with Melo

I don't think they would have matured with us. The move was good for their professionalism and careers.
 

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He's a free agent at the end of 2016-2017 season. Have you not learned anything from the Goran Dragic trade???

Jesus that was a rape trade. I don't care if the Heat make it to the ECF, the Suns raped them for Dragic.

I want Phil to try and steal Crabbe. I think he could be a starting SG, gets pts as a 3rd/4th option and he's efficient. He comes off as a guy who hasn't reached his peak yet

Fournier would be great too but he's playing so well I doubt Orlando doesn't match.
 

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This stuff is all agenda weirdness. I'm not arguing that D'Antoni did a good job, he didn't. He also was not provided with the kinds of players he would have needed to be any version of successful. It was all a disaster.


That being said -- Melo's best position is a stretch 4 that gives him the ability to work outside-in. To get as many open jumpers from the outside as he can... and work off that to get to the hoop against bigger guys.

As we saw this season with this distribution, running the offense is not really the problem... he can pass, he can identify and find open guys, he can even get excited/inspired by sharing the spotlight with a teammate.... Woodson's offense was horrible, and worked against what is best for Melo. He just like Woodson more.

Woodson was NOT "worth buying into" -- and honestly, neither was D'Antoni. But the style of play that D'Antoni was pushing, more possessions, more open threes, more transition -- that is better for Melo's game, than slowing it down and having to beat guys 1-on-1, where he ends up settling for long jumpers anyway.

And really, the fact that melo "bought into" woodson, is exactly why he shouldn't be a deciding factor in picking the next coach. He didn't like the Porzingis pick, either. He doesn't know what's best for the team, or himself. He only knows what he wants.
Ok Melo didn't have to embrace KP he could of been a malcontent or something . Maybe melo didn't like the pick since he didn't want a project after being told the Knicks were trying to win .
 

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He's a free agent at the end of 2016-2017 season. Have you not learned anything from the Goran Dragic trade???
Nah. Didn't know his contract wasnt up. But whatever. We don't have assets to trade. Unless they want Grant or the old guy. Whatever though.
 
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