Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

[I.V.]

A team with any decent PG, Wade, Melo, KP, RoLo; coached by Thibs, has a very high ceiling. The window is only one or two years, but the upside of that group healthy is very high. At the very least it's gonna be a good team, which you categorically dismissed. I get having a cynical view on this, but let's not pretend this can't be a playoff team if Phil chooses to go win-now. He'd need to be smart, it'd require a much better coach than Rambis, but stop exaggerating.

You're right. Also we could trade for Karl Towns and Steph Curry. In which case we have a good team, too. LeBron opts-out, and recruits Tom Brady, and Brandon Ingraham forces his way onto the knicks on draft day.

Could be a big summer. Should we go in on a ticket package together?

 

[Columbo]

You're right. Also we could trade for Karl Towns and Steph Curry. In which case we have a good team, too. LeBron opts-out, and recruits Tom Brady, and Brandon Ingraham forces his way onto the knicks on draft day.

Could be a big summer. Should we go in on a ticket package together?

Canadians are such nice people. Im sure if Phil askd theyll give us back the draft pick from the Bargnani trade. It was an honest mistake we made, that pick was supposed to be for Lowry

 

[storyteller]

You're right. Also we could trade for Karl Towns and Steph Curry. In which case we have a good team, too. LeBron opts-out, and recruits Tom Brady, and Brandon Ingraham forces his way onto the knicks on draft day.

Could be a big summer. Should we go in on a ticket package together?

Which is why I started my initial post
Oh and just to throw it in, there are a couple of long shot scenarios I like, but HIGHLY DOUBT happen.

 

[I.V.]

Which is why I started my initial post
Oh and just to throw it in, there are a couple of long shot scenarios I like, but HIGHLY DOUBT happen.

Yes. But the point of my original post is to outline the realistic scenario for the next 18 months. Because coming into THIS season, there were A LOT of people in this thread, talking about top 4 and 5 seeds in the east. Talking about how this team should make the playoffs.

I am OBVIOUSLY setting the baseline expectations of a rebuilding franchise, which is what the Knicks are.

So when YOU start responding to me, as if I'm giving up on the next two seasons, and putting forth EXTREMELY UNLIKELY SCENARIOS and worse, EXTREMELY DAMAGING SCENARIOS -- I responded with some force.


I think it is time for Knick fans, yourself included, to set a more reasonable bar for expectations. Selling out, and trying to compete now is what the Knicks did with the Melo move, and again with the Chandler move... and it set them back. Now they have a core young player, somebody with legit star potential -- it is time to actually rebuild around that. And if, in that span, the team edges into being competitive, even before you have restocked the team with talent (kind of like what we're seeing in Boston) then all the better.


No shame in the facts

 

[storyteller]

Yes. But the point of my original post is to outline the realistic scenario for the next 18 months. Because coming into THIS season, there were A LOT of people in this thread, talking about top 4 and 5 seeds in the east. Talking about how this team should make the playoffs.

I am OBVIOUSLY setting the baseline expectations of a rebuilding franchise, which is what the Knicks are.

So when YOU start responding to me, as if I'm giving up on the next two seasons, and putting forth EXTREMELY UNLIKELY SCENARIOS and worse, EXTREMELY DAMAGING SCENARIOS -- I responded with some force.


I think it is time for Knick fans, yourself included, to set a more reasonable bar for expectations. Selling out, and trying to compete now is what the Knicks did with the Melo move, and again with the Chandler move... and it set them back. Now they have a core young player, somebody with legit star potential -- it is time to actually rebuild around that. And if, in that span, the team edges into being competitive, even before you have restocked the team with talent (kind of like what we're seeing in Boston) then all the better.


No shame in the facts

Which is why I threw the EXTREMELY UNLIKELY SCENARIOS in a separate post from the one where I quoted you. I addressed you in my first post and then threw out some fun hypotheticals in a second post to split up the conversations from serious to fun ish. Did you think I was serious about a Kevin Durant and Scott Brooks scenario too?

 

[I.V.]

Which is why I threw the EXTREMELY UNLIKELY SCENARIOS in a separate post from the one where I quoted you. I addressed you in my first post and then threw out some fun hypotheticals in a second post to split up the conversations from serious to fun ish. Did you think I was serious about a Kevin Durant and Scott Brooks scenario too?

Think ......



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or hoped?

Spoiler

You know we good. Just, as a fellow reasonable and considerate knick fan, I can't have you fanning the flames of some of these idiots.

 

[nieman]

FUKK Phil Jackson. Just bring Patrick & Jeff home, get a fukkin decent starting PG and any wing with a jumpshot and let's ride.

 

[storyteller]

Carmelo protégé: I’ll be Knicks starting point guard next year | New York Post

Big fan of enthusiasm like this. He's coming back from an ACL tear and his decision making has always been questionable plus his jumper and defense both need work...I'm managing my expectations heavy on the kid. But he's about to turn 23 and was one of the most effective driving players (period not just at guard) a couple of years back and we need that. So I like that he's enthusiastic and ready to work hard, but I'm also tempering any expectations for the kid. Just good things to hear from a player we locked up and who has upside.

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

Carmelo protégé: I’ll be Knicks starting point guard next year | New York Post

Big fan of enthusiasm like this. He's coming back from an ACL tear and his decision making has always been questionable plus his jumper and defense both need work...I'm managing my expectations heavy on the kid. But he's about to turn 23 and was one of the most effective driving players (period not just at guard) a couple of years back and we need that. So I like that he's enthusiastic and ready to work hard, but I'm also tempering any expectations for the kid. Just good things to hear from a player we locked up and who has upside.

When Anthony rested Sunday vs. Indiana, he sat on the bench next to Wroten.

“Melo has been one of my mentors, helping me, sitting down and talking to,’’ Wroten said. “We were just watching the game and he was telling me: ‘See right there. If you just penetrate, bring the defense in and be able to kick out, it will help our offense and make it easier for everybody,’ not just me and him. For Melo to be saying those things and encouraging me shows he believes in me and knows I’m capable of being one of the best penetrators in the league and can help this team tremendously.’’

But, but, but Melo isn't a leader, and only cares about himself....

 

[DPresidential]

Random:

Damn, I was just thinking that I'd love to see Nerlens Noel next to Porzingis...

 

[I.V.]

Random:

Damn, I was just thinking that I'd love to see Nerlens Noel next to Porzingis...

Or, in a very different direction -- Jusuf Nurkic.

 

[storyteller]

Or, in a very different direction -- Jusuf Nurkic.

Denver's got a mini trove of young really nice players. Mudiay at point, Barton and Harris on the perimeter and Nurkic and Lauvergne inside...I'd love to land any of 'em. Nurkic and Harris most of all.

 

[nieman]

Carmelo protégé: I’ll be Knicks starting point guard next year | New York Post

Big fan of enthusiasm like this. He's coming back from an ACL tear and his decision making has always been questionable plus his jumper and defense both need work...I'm managing my expectations heavy on the kid. But he's about to turn 23 and was one of the most effective driving players (period not just at guard) a couple of years back and we need that. So I like that he's enthusiastic and ready to work hard, but I'm also tempering any expectations for the kid. Just good things to hear from a player we locked up and who has upside.

He's not as bad on defense as they let you believe. He's good on-the-ball. He doesn't have a jump shot, but he's serviceable...he's like Memphis/Tor Lowry. I like his game and been though he'd fit on the Knicks. He plays hard all of the time, and one of the only 76er that was an NBA player. I don't like him as a PG though..and not a PG to play alongside Melo, but maybe it will work.

 

[storyteller]

He's not as bad on defense as they let you believe. He's good on-the-ball. He doesn't have a jump shot, but he's serviceable...he's like Memphis/Tor Lowry. I like his game and been though he'd fit on the Knicks. He plays hard all of the time, and one of the only 76er that was an NBA player. I don't like him as a PG though..and not a PG to play alongside Melo, but maybe it will work.

His defense isn't awful, but he's a gambler. His decision making on both ends is the type that'll have you applauding one minute and then screaming at the tv in the next. The good thing about that though is he's 22 years old and decision making improves with most players. If he's starting at PG for us to start next season, it's most likely bad news (well maybe not because it probably means we're getting a good pick i guess), but long term I think he could be developed into one. Players with even one near elite level skill (Tony's being his ability to get inside) will always have a chance, especially one so young.

 

[I.V.]

Denver's got a mini trove of young really nice players. Mudiay at point, Barton and Harris on the perimeter and Nurkic and Lauvergne inside...I'd love to land any of 'em. Nurkic and Harris most of all.

Jokic can ball, too, man. Like, I think even MORE SO than Lauvergne.

PLUS they add a high draft pick this year. Luwawu, or Hield, or Ellenson, or Murray.