Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

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I wouldn't blame Melo if he demanded a trade this offseason, I can't remember a time when the team wasn't dysfunctional. This year this team gets stuck with a coach who can't manage his dikk or rotations, a starting pg who looks like he barely belongs in the league, a sg who was out of the league for years, yet routinely sees 15 minutes of pt, and an interim coach who has been nothing but terrible before, and has a defensive philosophy that's stuck in the 90's. The dead weight is obvious, but keeping the dead weight afloat on this team is gonna fukk the team and it's chances at free agents this off-season too. Stop being stubborn Phil, fukk your Triangle and your Triangle disciples, bring in Thibs, let him bench Calderon and Sasha for good, and at least try to finish the season strong to make the team look at least a little better.

It's getting to the point where I feel like PHIL might be doing this on purpose to try and force melo's hand. They were sending subliminal shots at one another the week of the Allstar game
Neither of em wants to be the first to ask about waiving the clause
I'm a knick fan no matter what, but it just seems like Melo getting a raw deal. I highly doubt told him it was gonna be this way in their free agency meeting
Phils doing a horrible job
 

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Man I hope the Raptors draft garbage. That Barg trade stunk of Collusion between Grunwald and the Raptors.
Everything was fine before that trade
We were only a few pieces away
It literally ruined the team and started a downward spiral of bad trades and stupid decision making. and we haven't been able to recover since
 

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You know what...

I was about to write this long ass diatribe, but I am actually not as upset as I thought I would be this morning.

Let me ask you guys this, do you think Carmelo will be willing to play the Paul Pierce role when he obviously needed help in Boston? If so, what can the Knicks realistically do to improve their position starting next season? Carmelo appears to be strong in his stance and wants to end his career on the Knicks. What are the pieces that compliment him well? Who can we get to help this dude from this terrible situation?
 

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You know what...

I was about to write this long ass diatribe, but I am actually not as upset as I thought I would be this morning.

Let me ask you guys this, do you think Carmelo will be willing to play the Paul Pierce role when he obviously needed help in Boston? If so, what can the Knicks realistically do to improve their position starting next season? Carmelo appears to be strong in his stance and wants to end his career on the Knicks. What are the pieces that compliment him well? Who can we get to help this dude from this terrible situation?
thats why i feel melo gets a bad rap
i mean hes far from perfect, but he surrounded by garbage and for some reason, ppl hold it against him
our team is easily one of the least talented teams in the league
and we've been coached by the 2 worst head coaches in the league
with the worst starting pg in the leagu
hes pretty much in the same posiiton prime kobe was in on dem pre gaso laker team
philt promised him they'd get players and be compeitive and they've done nothing
problem is, if melo says anything publicly about wanting a trade or if he challenges management, the media/fans will turn on him quick
hell, even kobe was getting booed
its looking like hes screwed right now
i honestly dont think phil cares about winning at this point, i think he just cares about being right
and we all suffering because of it
 

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What were they supposed to do last offseason? The Lopez move looks actually good surprisingly. Affalo is filler. The Knicks are limited in what they can do and Melo knew that going into his new contract.
 

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Stop overreacting



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Few thoughts:

- The losses are a blessing in disguise right now, we should be playing for next season already aka developing the youth...but until we're out of the playoff race, that won't happen. For whatever reason (probably the logic that causes a man in 2016 to have a twitter porn scandal a couple of weeks into his first shot coaching a team since a debacle in Minne), Calderon is seen as the best option to win now...he's not...but until we're not playing for immediate wins, he'll get starts. We need some more L's so that Rambis can focus on Grant, Galloway and other young cats (the under 25's basically).

- Melo is playing well. RoLo is looking like a keeper. KP is fatigued but obviously a keeper as well. 3/5's of the starting line-up can be set for the future which means this offseason the focus can go entirely to the backcourt which is nice. Worst case scenario, we bottom out and Melo demands a trade; which is fine if he keeps up this level of play...we'll get substantial offers.

- Grant being handcuffed to Cleamons is a great move. If he's not gonna play much now, at least he's getting real time advice. He showed more willingness to shoot last night, had more impact in 12 minutes than Calderon and Sasha had all game and he brought KP to life for a minute there. I'm still really confident that he'll be good.

- Galloway was a better defender last season. He puts forth more effort than Jose but he's gotta be better than last night. We had three guards putting up worthless impact last night, two of them are hopeless old men... Galloway needs to step up.

- AA isn't getting post ups nearly as often as he was a while ago; I can't see him having positive impact without more of them.

- KOQ showed more defensive effort and board work, but he needs more offense to carry value. He needs private lessons with RoLo too, to figure out the spacing and hedging on PnR's but to be fair...no one's been good in that aspect lately.

- Lance Thomas is on a long streak of sucking, following the trend I've been pointing out all year...ten good games followed immediately by 8-10 invisible games where he causes more harm than good. No he's not our best player off the bench. He just gets the most consistent minutes to snap out of a funk (and it still takes too long).

- D-Will wasn't good but wasn't terrible (aka he was better than most of our bench but that's hardly a compliment), he's gotta get on the boards better. He had a couple of nice moments in post defense against bigger guys though which stood out solely because no one else stood out defensively ever.

- Jimmer hit a 3 as soon as he got out there then gave up an and one drive on the ensuing defensive set. I don't think shooting is our problem. I'd prefer Toure Murry or someone with a defensive reputation get brought in, guard penetration is the big issue with this team and Jimmer won't solve that. Case in point, we scored plenty in the fourth but never could string stops together.

- Patrick Patterson is the type of guy I'd love to have as an off the bench option.
 

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What were they supposed to do last offseason? The Lopez move looks actually good surprisingly. Affalo is filler. The Knicks are limited in what they can do and Melo knew that going into his new contract.
Lopez is a back up center on any contending team
Affalo is whatever
Yall give PHIL too much passes
All these guys are WHATEVEr players
He said he was focusing on free agency this past summer and he improved the team minimally
We don't even have cap space to get a star at the moment
And if we want Conley we most likely gonna have to give him a 100 mil :dead:
Rondo was there to be picked up for cheap last off season and we stuck with calderon
Now we are most likely gonna be targeting rondo this summer but with the price going way up

The coach and the players we had were better before he came
Don't tell me he couldn't of done more
He's inexperienced and it's showing
 
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