Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

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If Phil has to fire people to get them to do what he wants, then he's more trash as an exec than the obvious. He's a former coach with 11 rings. Why couldn't he step in, it's on him? :what:This is just ridiculous. What job do you not get fired at if your performance is terrible and you're NOT doing what the boss wants? Which in this case was to win some ball games.
Funny thing is, "rotations" wasn't causing 'Melo, KP, Jose, Arron, Gallo, and D-Will to shoot like trash. Early on, they struggled to score. "Rotations" didn't cause all but 4 players to be trash on defense. Doesn't matter who you "rotate" or "bench", "holler at", and "counsel", (whether it be refs, assistants, or the bench) nearly all of them consistently played like trash on one or both ends. Lol at the notion that the refs will listen to Fish. His "rotations" didn't allow players to establish any kind of rhythm before they were benched for long stretches of games or removed from the lineup altogether with no rhyme or reason. So I guess his "rotations" kinda did make them shoot like trash. His "rotations" made him leave Jose and Sasha on the floor for extended periods of time even tho they were getting cooked. I'm not sure what's hard to understand about the concept of "working" the referees. A good coach will always try to get a feel for the officiating. You don't coach basketball so maybe that's why that example made you LOL. You don't have to berate referee's to get calls. In fact that will get you the opposite. My point is that he appeared to never have anything to say. To anyone. Don't focus on just the referee statement or pretend I implied they are supposed to "listen" to him.

Sasha started because Arron was injured. He shouldn't have. Gallo shoulda been starting with Calderon. Vujacic is in no other rotation in the league much less a starter.

Fish never mean-mugged. His expression was always blank. You couldn't tell what he was thinking. Baby was the closest smiley to a blank face to me at the time I posted. Maybe I coulda used :ld: but it was too expressive for my intent IMO. :yeshrug:

Fish did know what he was doing. He knew how to run the offense (all season long) and get them to play defense (for all but 1 month of the season).:stopitslime:

You know who doesn't know what he's doing? The guy getting all the passes. Y'all "Zen Master". Phil built a roster to play a system they don't fit. He should be held accountable. Don't lump me in with that "Y'all". I've been critical of Phil from day 1 saying that if he insists on the squad running the triangle, he should coach it himself. I'm not feeling Rambis and I'm not feeling another puppet next season. This is not a terrible roster. It has some balance. With a real playmaker and a competent coach they'd have a better record. We lost too many close games, came up short in too many 4th quarters, and came out not ready to play too many times for Fisher not to be partially responsible. Personally I think you're on some Gloria Govan shyt when it comes to Fish and you're not thinking correctly. :shaq:
 
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Scott Brooks was given several years with the Thunder/Sonics before he was fired. He only won somewhere around 15-30 games in his 1st season. McHale had several seasons with the Rockets to make something happen. There's such a short leash on Afrikan coaches in the racist NBA. Our coaches either get rosters that don't fit the system, or they get trash rosters altogether, or fired rather quickly, and multiple times. You don't see many Docs in the racist (not to be confused with prejudiced) NBA.

See I agree with this! Completely! If Fish was doing a half competent job I'd be calling BS all day on his firing. I gave him a pass last season. But he had an NBA roster this year. He didn't know what to do with it. If he was white I'da still been calling for his head.
 

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Thibs coming to the knicks make too much sense, so it probably doesn't happen

How though? Like forget the triangle Thibs would run Melo and KP into the ground. Look at Rose, look at Noah. The man has no chill and not for nothing he runs a struggle offense.
 

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Melo should ask to shop him around. The diehard loyal fans are going to get mad, but the season is lost. Another year that Melo plays on a shytty team on the tail end of his prime. Carmelo is breaking down and deserves to go to a contender. I don't want a 7th or 8th seed if the Knicks manage to get hot, hurting our chances at a potential lottery pick hurts the franchise much much more.

Sorry, but anyone who disagrees with me at this point is completely delusional. It's time to move on from the idea that Melo is going to lead us to the title. I think the Knicks are at least 3-4 years away from being a legit contender as long as picks/moves pan out.
 

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The fukk? He actually got fired? I don't know how to feel about this. Fisher may not have been great so far, but this roster wasn't expected to even get into the playoffs anyway, at frankly for a part of the season the team looked like it was overachieving under him, in spite of weird rotations and such. He probably deserved at least another season considering he's had a little more than half of one with a decent roster. Plus it sounds like he's being fired for increasingly breaking away from the triangle, which isn't good because it means Phil is married to this triangle shyt and really wants to prove a point with it. Oh and Kurt Rambis isn't a good coach:francis.

I'd love to see Hornacek get the job though:yes: But I really want the new coach to have some free rein to do what he wants to.
All you needed was to watch a game to see that Fisher is not head coach material in the NBA.
 

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We talk about this running players into the ground.

Do we really know what the fukk that means or are we just following narratives?

I'm talking short rotations, Avg minutes near 40 a game, keeping starters in during a blowout (winning or losing) and Thibs losing his voice cause he's yelling "Defense!" even when his team has the ball....

The only guy in the last few seasons more likely to run a player in the ground was D'antoni and his problem was he was yelling "lets go!" when guys were trying to defend. I know it creates wins in the regular season but dudes are husks of themselves by the time the playoffs come.
 

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We talk about this running players into the ground.

Do we really know what the fukk that means or are we just following narratives?

Following narratives


The Bulls also learned Monday that breakout star Jimmy Butler will miss three-to-six weeks with a sprain in his elbow, and forward Taj Gibson is nursing a sprained ankle that could cause him to miss time.

This sort of thing has become routine for the Bulls. Each year they lose key players to injury (this is Rose's third knee surgery in four years), leaving some to question if it may be a result of Tom Thibodeau's coaching style.

In an era when players' minutes are monitored more closely than ever, Thibodeau continually plays his players higher minutes than the rest of the NBA. Butler leads all players in minutes per game this season at 38.7. Pau Gasol, at age 34, is averaging almost 35 per game (his highest in three years) and Rose's minutes have gone up each month of the season — 23 to 25 to 30 to 34 to 32 (before getting injured).

These aren't new trends for Thibodeau, either. Butler ranked second in minutes per game last year, and Joakim Noah averaged 35 minutes per night. Noah had to get knee surgery in the offseason and has seen a decline in his numbers this season.
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The Chicago Bulls have been decimated by injuries, and it might be their coach's fault



Thibs sounds like a dinosaur.

Well, not all coaches. At a presentation on wearable technology organized by coaching agent Warren Legarie last year in Chicago, Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau raised his hand. Everyone in the audience knew where this was going.

Thibodeau, fired last week by the Bulls and replaced by Iowa State's Fred Hoiberg, had resisted overtures from Bulls management to employ wearable technology to monitor players' recovery, league sources said.

“He was basically challenging it, like, ‘Michael Jordan didn't need that,'” Kopp said. “Fair point, but one of the most amazing athletes in the entire world, I would argue, would've benefited, too. There's a reason why they call it old school, because it's been replaced by new thinking.”
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Warriors 'wearable' weapon? Devices to monitor players while on the court
 
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To be fair Phil said he is looking trade..... now is not the time to draw attention to yourself if you want to stay in town. He sent dudes to Cleveland for less.
Nobody wants our trash.

The only guy that can possibly be traded if he is open to it is Carmelo. Porzingis is obviously not getting traded.
 
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