Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

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What do y'all see happening in SA tomorrow?

I honestly have no idea. We played them close last time but fell apart at the end but maybe....just maybe if we come out the gate swinging...maybe. Melo needs everyone on deck tomorrow though Leonard is going to give all he can handle on defense. Afflalo, Ghost P. ,and especially second unit will be key. They have to try and run the Spurs out the gym to have a shot because, if they make this a halfcourt slow game they will lose.
 

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I honestly have no idea. We played them close last time but fell apart at the end but maybe....just maybe if we come out the gate swinging...maybe. Melo needs everyone on deck tomorrow though Leonard is going to give all he can handle on defense. Afflalo, Ghost P. ,and especially second unit will be key. They have to try and run the Spurs out the gym to have a shot because, if they make this a halfcourt slow game they will lose.

Great post. I don't know what will happen either. You're so right about the slow pace. I posted about in this thread during the game, saying that it was waaaaaay to slow for NY's style of play and that it was causing NY to struggle to score. Kawhi can't guard 'Melo. It was their help defense that caused him problems. SA threw different defenders at him and Kawhi and others were sending him to the help. What concerns me is they found the energy on a road back-to-back game to defend at a high level (NY did somewhat of the same last night). This time SA be more fresh. However, Arron didn't play in that game and 'Melo was still shooting like trash, so who knows?!
 
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In appreciation of Robin Lopez's versatile and ever-improving hook shot
By Seth@seth_rosenthal on Jan 7, 2016, 5:07p

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Today I took off work and watched all of Robin Lopez's hook shots from this season. It was fun! I'd been preparing this post for a while, and then Lopez really went hook-y the last few games and now here is this post. Let's talk about hooks!

The hook is Lopez's deadliest offensive weapon
NBA.com has him taking 88* hooks in the Knicks' 37 games, hitting 48 of them (54.5 percent), which is a nice number. Only 44 percent of those makes are assisted, which means if Lopez has position, he can generate one of those buckets with his one-on-one moves.


*(This number will not square with some later numbers because NBA.com's video coding can be a bit messy and some things get counted or labeled wrong.)

Lopez's hooking has gotten crazy good over the last few weeks
I counted 16 made hooks on 37 attempts through the end of November (18 games). I counted 30 makes on 47 attempts in the 19 games since, which is pretty nuts.

Lopez might secretly be lefty
People have been talking about Lopez's lefty hook since he was in college, and the Knicks are slowly coaxing that weapon out of him. Lopez was 5-9 on lefty hooks in 18 games through November and is 11-14 on lefty hooks in the 19 games since. Eleven of 14!!!

(Righty hooks: 11/28 in the first 18, 19/33 since.)

Announcers always describe Lopez's hook as "little"
I heard "little hook" or "little jump hook" or "little lefty/righty hook" like a dozen times.


Lopez can do it all with one hand if he wants to
He can kinda bat the ball down, collect it, and hook it upward all with one hand -- either of them. Zach Lowe describedthis aptly as the "ice scream scoop." I don't think it's Lopez's most efficient hook move, but it's hard to block and it's

Boosh


Lopez can essentially pivot twice in search of hooks

If Robin catches the ball with his feet set and his back to the basket, he'll often do some pivoting to look for an outlet or a clean slot to score*, then he'll put the ball on the floor for a couple dribbles, establish his pivot foot again, and get to work hooking fools. Anecdotally, I think the pivot foot he chooses before he starts dribbling is usually the same one he establishes when he goes to score.


Also anecdotal, but I think Lopez has gotten more and more effective doing that ^ instead of simply catching, turning, and hooking. That fits with the low assisted number we saw above, and I think it fits with the general sense that he's getting more comfortable as an offensive weapon, not just a garbage man.

*Eventually teams are going to stop guarding him when he catches the ball this far from the basket, inviting him to shoot his pretty ineffective mid-range jumper. He could work on that shot, or he could just take a few dribbles, put his head down, and go to work.

The hook is useful in the pick-and-roll and off face-up drives



Sometimes Lopez goes the J.R. Smith route, suddenly turning backward to morph a drive into a post-up. Sometimes it's more of a sweeping hook-floater thing.

Lopez absolutely ate Hassan Whiteside on Wednesday
In closing, let's just watch Robin work against the mighty Heat defense. These were some of the most advanced moves we've seen from him, presented all at once in one of the Knicks' best offensive performances:

That is all. Thank you for looking at these hooks with me. Long live Robin Lopez.


Link: In appreciation of Robin Lopez's versatile and ever-improving hook shot
 

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Great post. I don't know what will happen either. Kawhi can't guard 'Melo. It was their help defense that caused him problems. SA threw different defenders at him and Kawhi and others were sending him to the help. What concerns me is they found the energy on a road back-to-back game to defend at a high level (NY did somewhat of the same last night). This time SA be more fresh. However, Arron didn't play in that game either, so who knows?!

Trust me. Kahwi is legit top 3 in defenders don't sleep. It just so happens that that classic Spurs system is great in general so the other 4 players are able to help as well. Pop is one of the goat coaches of all time for a reason.
 

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Trust me. Kahwi is legit top 3 in defenders don't sleep. It just so happens that that classic Spurs system is great in general so the other 4 players are able to help as well. Pop is one of the goat coaches of all time for a reason.

He is a great defender.....he still can't guard 'Melo. :yeshrug: Never could. Also, 'Melo (at 31) has been playing better defense than Kawhi all season. Lately, Kawhi has only been slightly better by holding 44% shooters who take 9.4 fga's to 37.2% shooting, which is 6.8% below their average. Lately 'Melo has been holding 45% shooters who take 8.6 fga's to 38.4% shooting, which is 6.5 below their average.
 
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Do you know where it was in the game that "there was a pretty awesome moment where D-Will lost his man and Lance literally push Williams in the right direction than scurried back to his guy"? I wanna look for it.

9:20 left in the fourth, D-Will gets caught ball watching and his man makes a back door cut from the wing. Lance sees the cut and leaves his man to hit the passing lane and stop the easy lay-up option, but after the cut, he runs over and literally pushes D-Will onto his former man and rushes back to cover. In that fourth, D-Will is stuck on Tyler Johnson a lot and Lance helps him with communication and switches on a sequence or two too. The chemistry was really impressive.
 

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9:20 left in the fourth, D-Will gets caught ball watching and his man makes a back door cut from the wing. Lance sees the cut and leaves his man to hit the passing lane and stop the easy lay-up option, but after the cut, he runs over and literally pushes D-Will onto his former man and rushes back to cover. In that fourth, D-Will is stuck on Tyler Johnson a lot and Lance helps him with communication and switches on a sequence or two too. The chemistry was really impressive.

Thanks. I can't wait to check it out. You gotta share with us what you see happening in SA. @Ironman gave some great insights.
 
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