PS4 to PS5 transition will take 3 years, more cross-gen games coming - SIE VP Hideaki Nishino

[Gizmo_Duck]

Sony and their devs have said that's what they're trying to avoid. Sony is in the business of making more money this gen than any generation before. That's why thy made the PS5 the easiest Sony console their first party devs ever had to develop for, largely because it shares a lot of similarities in structure to the PS4 hence the 99.99% backwards compatibility and cross gen madness. It was too irresistible for Sony. That nearly 10 year familiarity w/ PS4 hardware is going to pay off early and allow devs to push the PS5 earlier in the generation if COVID can go away because of the PS4 similarity. According to Cory Barlog, they were excited for the PS5 because it would allow them to release their games faster, e.g. 2-3 year development cycles instead of 3-6 year development cycles e.g. R&C an AAA game was made in only 2 years
But COVID fukked that up and the long term development of these games. Once they get back on track and COVID dies down, expect more groundbreaking games to release faster. Some more games could have been released earlier if not due to COVID. Hopefully we start seeing more PS5 ONLY games in 2022 onward.

Insomniac are in their own lane in terms of game development.

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

Insomniac are in their own lane in terms of game development.

Point is the PS5 being similar to the PS4 that these devs have had nearly a decade to master and being easy to develop on in general will help reduce the average dev cycle. Too bad COVID came along.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

Point is the PS5 being similar to the PS4 that these devs have had nearly a decade to master and being easy to develop on in general will help reduce the average dev cycle. Too bad COVID came along.

It is what it is, I’m just happy to be getting HFW/GoWR,R&C, Returnal, etc. so soon after release, even if the former two are 2022 that completely shyts on the first like 3 years of ps4’s launch.

Still got a lot of games in the pipeline also.

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

It is what it is, I’m just happy to be getting HFW/GoWR,R&C, Returnal, etc. so soon after release, even if the former two are 2022 that completely shyts on the first like 3 years of ps4’s launch.

Still got a lot of games in the pipeline also.

2022 may be packed but we will have to wait and see. I doubt all of Sony's 2022 exclusives will be cross gen. They will have a couple of PS5 exclusives that will show off what the system can do. Let's hope they don't pressure a studio like Insomniac or Sucker Punch to make Spiderman 2 or GOT2 cross gen because money

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

2022 may be packed but we will have to wait and see. I doubt all of Sony's 2022 exclusives will be cross gen. They will have a couple of PS5 exclusives that will show off what the system can do. Let's hope they don't pressure a studio like Insomniac or Sucker Punch to make Spiderman 2 or GOT2 cross gen because money

By the time those games come out the ps5 redesign will have been out, (the chip) and there should 5x’s as much consoles on the market.

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

By the time those games come out the ps5 redesign will have been out, (the chip) and there should 5x’s as much consoles on the market.

gow and horizon being cross gen were decisions made in advance of any chip shortage
they assumed
1) consumers are dumber than they think (people are dumb as hell though )
2) they could double dip and get money from both the large ps4 userbase and the ps5
3) went away from their tradition of having console exclusive first party games that you can only experience on that system
if they followed 3), horizon 2 and gow 2 would be ps5 exclusive and they would be showing off what the ps5 can do. that would be the major hype generator
but those two will be a waste if most of the sales are on the ps5

if Sony is still focused on MONEY, they can make any major system seller cross gen as they please well into 2022/2023
hopefully all of their major cross gen sales have dominant ps5 sales, making them change course on current planned future cross gen games and drop the ps4 versions
because if the dominant ps5 cross gen sales continue, they would have wasted who knows how many major titles for cross gen

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

gow and horizon being cross gen were decisions made in advance of any chip shortage
they assumed
1) consumers are dumber than they think (people are dumb as hell though )
2) they could double dip and get money from both the large ps4 userbase and the ps5
3) went away from their tradition of having console exclusive first party games that you can only experience on that system
if they followed 3), horizon 2 and gow 2 would be ps5 exclusive and they would be showing off what the ps5 can do. that would be the major hype generator
but those two will be a waste if most of the sales are on the ps5

if Sony is still focused on MONEY, they can make any major system seller cross gen as they please well into 2022/2023
hopefully all of their major cross gen sales have dominant ps5 sales, making them change course on current planned future cross gen games and drop the ps4 versions
because if the dominant ps5 cross gen sales continue, they would have wasted who knows how many major titles for cross gen
I am no longer assuming any title will be ps5 exclusive I see proof from them
Any game can get the cross gen treatment if Sony feels like it it seems like

Both those games have been in development for 3+ years already, they were built on the ps4, so no matter what you were getting a ps4 game

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

Both those games have been in development for 3+ years already, they were built on the ps4, so no matter what you were getting a ps4 game

3 years would still be 2018 when devs got the ps5 kits. ps4 AND ps5 was made in ADVANCE for MONEY.
all of Sony's moves have been for max profit rather than maintaining why they have their mindshare in the first place IMO. So if the PS4 sales are good enough for these cross gen games, Sony WILL make cross gen games well into 2023 because of the money. I wouldn't have cared if Horizon 2 and GOW2 were late 2022/1st half 2023 games if they were ps5 exclusive because that would mean not having to wait until 2025-2026+ at the earliest for the ps5 exclusive versions. So don't get too mad if games like Spiderman 2 are cross gen if PS4 sales are good enough for their cross gen games. You guys are always arguing cross gen makes sense because of money so don't get mad or complain if major titles are cross gen well into 2023 because of the money. This is why I HOPE the sales are too dominant on the PS5 for cross gen to make sense beyond the 1st half of 2022 for their MAJOR AAA first party studio titles old and new.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

3 years would still be 2018 when devs got the ps5 kits. ps4 AND ps5 was made in ADVANCE for MONEY.
all of Sony's moves have been for max profit rather than maintaining why they have their mindshare in the first place IMO. So if the PS4 sales are good enough for these cross gen games, Sony WILL make cross gen games well into 2023 because of the money. So don't get too mad if games like Spiderman 2 are cross gen if PS4 sales are good enough for their cross gen gaes. This is why I HOPE the sales are too dominant on the PS5 for cross gen to make sense beyond the 1st half of 2022 for their MAJOR titles.

GG themselves said this was built on the ps4, they probably started right after the original game in 2017. If they had not released it on ps4 we’d still be playing the same game but people would ahve convinced themselves it was a ps5 especial.

Just like people were convinced miles was a ps5 game before sony said it wasn’t.

 

[EarlyEarly]

Meh. Not many PS5s out there so I guess it makes sense.

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

GG themselves said this was built on the ps4, they probably started right after the original game in 2017. If they had not released it on ps4 we’d still be playing the same game but people would ahve convinced themselves it was a ps5 especial.

Just like people were convinced miles was a ps5 game before sony said it wasn’t.

if their is enough money, their major AAA titles will be cross gen for the foreseeable future. Till the end of 2023 (not beyond that but who knows with Sony's greed) is fair game if the PS4 sales are high enough for their cross gen titles IMO. That means cross gen Spiderman 2, GOT2, etc. if the money on the PS4 is there.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

if their is enough money, their major AAA titles will be cross gen for the foreseeable future. Till the end of 2023 (not beyond that but who knows with Sony's greed) is fair game if the PS4 sales are high enough for their cross gen titles IMO. That means cross gen Spiderman 2, GOT2, etc. if the money on the PS4 is there.

Sony makes the goat 1st party games though.

I’m sure it’ll be piff city regardless

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

Sony makes the goat 1st party games though.

They better be paying you well
fukk I look like playing cross gen first party ps5 games well into 2023

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

They better be paying you well
fukk I look like playing cross gen first party ps5 games well into 2023

What choice do you have?

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

What choice do you have?

Consumers are going to determine what time of generation we are going to get
A bunch of Pro+ machines for a long as consumers are dumb enough before they realize they do have a choice or actual games that take advantage of this technology that changes a lot of things
We are going to be playing prettier ps4 games well into 2025 with your mentality
I hope this blows up (and it will) in Sony's face when try to milk this.
Mindshare is a real thing.