Proof that the "anti-identity politics" crowd means only white identity politics
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you said you don't know if trump's move was an identity politics play because you aren't in his head, but yet you know when you see it on the left. because apparently you're in their heads.
Tough to determine any one isolated incident or policy as "identity politics" unless the person explicitly says so, or it's part of a larger trend of being dependent or needy for a certain group's votes.
It's easy to call id politics when there's a larger trend over a long period of time with many policies adding up though.
While it's possible, I find it hard to believe id politics is what Trump had in mind when when he pardoned Arpaio. I didn't really see whites clamoring for the pardon nor do I really think it will increase his vote total in 2020 if he runs. I think in the case in Arpaio, Trump liked the guy: on a personal level, for past vocal support and because of the practices Arpaio carried out. If it was just id politics, there's plenty of people in trouble for hate crimes and such that he could pardon but hasn't.
ID politics is defined by thought process and justification. A policy can disproportionately help/hurt a group (heck almost all of them do) but that doesn't make it id politics. It becomes id politics when it's "vote for me because you're black" or "we're going to craft our policies to what Christians want to get their votes" or whatever. It's when a party or politician's policy is no longer based around governing, but instead using certain groups to get elected over and over.
What do people think terms such as "values" and "culture" mean when they are used by Republicans? Do they assume it is inclusive of black culture as well when Republicans like Paul Ryan make no bones talking about the ills of inner city culture. The guy mentions that his county went for Nixon because they were pissed off by people who didn't like Vietnam as if those people were in the wrong. There is a common misconception among the anti-identity politics crowd that denies any agency from minority communities and assume it is the Democrats pushing these issues to the forefront. Does anyone think a national political figure is going to tackle race issues head on, all the prominent Dem leaders would prefer to subsume those issues in some larger narrative. It is easier for example to claim that a policy to deal with economic problem will help everyone, it is ironic given that it sounds eerily similar to the rising tide lifts all boats narrative from the GOP. In an unequal society race blind policies won't erase the racial discrimination, if labor market discrimination exists (as shown by those papers dealing with resume response rates) is it a surprise that people affected by it may push for policies that are targeted towards their group?
The critic of just the idea of BLM by that author shows it, some white people fail to understand that they need not place themselves as a point of reference for every issue. If the issue is police violence brought up targeting a community it should be an issue of constitutionally protected rights instead of how you can not empathize with a black male because you are not one. I have seen similar counter arguments too with some white people rushing to say they have been stopped by the police too or that their Southern accent gets stereotyped. Some people cannot fathom that not everyone has the same lived experience in the US. The anti identity politics crowd from the left almost always find themselves saying " no one said we cannot focus on both" because they gloss over the idea that just because you have good policies it does not mean they are going to be equally applied for the benefit of everyone. The FHA was a good idea started with a noble aim but it still brought redlining, social security also had a history of exclusion. As long as society is unequal you cannot fault interest groups for fighting their corner instead of sitting and waiting.
The critic of just the idea of BLM by that author shows it, some white people fail to understand that they need not place themselves as a point of reference for every issue. If the issue is police violence brought up targeting a community it should be an issue of constitutionally protected rights instead of how you can not empathize with a black male because you are not one. I have seen similar counter arguments too with some white people rushing to say they have been stopped by the police too or that their Southern accent gets stereotyped. Some people cannot fathom that not everyone has the same lived experience in the US. The anti identity politics crowd from the left almost always find themselves saying " no one said we cannot focus on both" because they gloss over the idea that just because you have good policies it does not mean they are going to be equally applied for the benefit of everyone. The FHA was a good idea started with a noble aim but it still brought redlining, social security also had a history of exclusion. As long as society is unequal you cannot fault interest groups for fighting their corner instead of sitting and waiting.
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CreepyMcCreeperson
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They are of the belief that we deserve any bad treatment by police, because they believe the majority of us are bad, with a few good ones sprinkled in. They also believe racial profiling is not racist, and they think it's effective, not realizing if people aren't suspicious of white people, you're going to catch fewer white people. They would burn this country to the ground if they were being stopped and searched on a regular basis.
that was an appalling reference for a tone deaf academic to make.
Holy shyt
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the next guy
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Problem isn't identity politics itself, it's who represents identity politics. Not the minority, but the type of minority. Kam Harris talks the talk but looks who she's tied to.
so to sum up this shyt. identity politics is talking about issues that affect someone other than white heteros (i'm not even saying male because white women showed what they were about last november). but being in a homogeneous political party isn't identity politics, it just sorta happened organically, no racial animus agenda got it that way.
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