Pressure the gov. of the Dominican Republic to stop its planned "cleaning" of 250k black Dominicans

[newarkhiphop]

So this is an Haitian issue not a Dominican issue huh when talking about DR attitudes towards Haitians and ppl of Haitian descent you must talk about Trujillo. Bahamas is not exempt but at least they (up until recently) have largely stayed aware from human rights violations, violence, and gross xenophobia and Jamaica is not deported "thousands of Haitians" because theyre are not thousands of haitians to deport. And @beanz jamaica's economy is like 10 times smaller than DR's

It's a Haitian and Dominican issue, most people never bring up the Hatian part of the equation and if Trujillo must be brought up to bring DR attitudes to the light then yes you must bring up Haitian dictators and corrupt presidents to get to the core of why people are fleeing there homeland for a place where there human rights are being violated

O ook so it's only xenophobia when Dominicans do it

 

[newarkhiphop]

are they deporting people born in the bahamas and jamaica?

Proof that they are not?

 

[GetInTheTruck]

primo don't fall for that year bullshyt...is whomever doesn't have the residency established aka no documents showing who you are, they are not revoking citizenship or residency if you have your paperwork straight...

and of course those who don't can't even ask Haiti to provide a birth certificate cause they won't help them!!

I hope that's true, you got any proof though?

 

[A Real Human Bean]

deporting someone because they are in a country illegally is not a human rights violation..is enforcing the law of the land.

DR is a Jus Sanguinis country so just because you were born there..doens't mean that you are automatically granting citizenship or residency....what Haitians parents fail to do is is going to their embassy and do the process to have the child's identification in order...and what the Haitian embassy in DR fails to do is granting the birth certificate and necessery documentation to those that don't want to break the law...so if those people are not doing what they are suppose to do...how is DR suppose to grant these people a state?

Also, there are no issues with other countries doing this when their people go to their embassies

You originally asked me "how are they violating human rights if they are in the country illegaly?" And I've shown you multiple reports outlining just how the D.R. has violated the human rights of migrants and the Dominican-born children of migrants. You can choose to ignore this if you wish but the facts are readily available for anyone to read.

Again, while the D.R. is free to implement its own immigration and deportation policies, it doesn't mean that they are free to violate the human rights of migrants and the Dominican-born children of migrants.

 

[BigMan]

It's a Haitian and Dominican issue, most people never bring up the Hatian part of the equation and if Trujillo must be brought up to bring DR attitudes to the light then yes you must bring up Haitian dictators and corrupt presidents to get to the core of why people are fleeing there homeland for a place where there human rights are being violated

O ook so it's only xenophobia when Dominicans do it

Is English you're first language or should i add some que lo ques and tatos for you to understand? Show the link between Haitians moving to the DR and Duvalier (who i bet you never heard until this morning)

 

[Arianne Martell]

You originally asked me "how are they violating human rights if they are in the country illegaly?" And I've shown you multiple reports outlining just how the D.R. has violated the human rights of migrants and the Dominican-born children of migrants. You can choose to ignore this if you wish but the facts are readily available for anyone to read.

Again, while the D.R. is free to implement its own immigration and deportation policies, it doesn't mean that they are free to violate the human rights of migrants and the Dominican-born children of migrants.

my question was framed that way because it was implied that deporting illegal immigrants was a violation of human rights...and I asked how?

your last statement is null because DR is a Jus Sanguinis country (look it up if you don't know what it means) then I explained to you why those children are undocumented in my previous post.

There are a bunch children born in DR from foreign parents and they not going through this because the embassy are actually doing their jobs and the parents are doing theirs too.

 

[Arianne Martell]

@gonzo8402 you have twitter?

 

[Arianne Martell]

The only people that are not interested in the Haitians best interest is the Haitian government.

because if Haitians are able to provide for themselves, in their country, the Haitian government would have less aid to steal from.

 

[newarkhiphop]

Is English you're first language or should i add some que lo ques and tatos for you to understand? Show the link between Haitians moving to the DR and Duvalier (who i bet you never heard until this morning)

never heard of until this morning, smh you must think am one of them coli Hotep dudes

Here are your links

http://www.blackpast.org/gah/duvalier-jean-claude-baby-doc-1951

http://www.mrdowling.com/710-haiti.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...daa2bc-4be3-11e4-b72e-d60a9229cc10_story.html


Here is a bonus concept for you, when people are starving, hopeless and being massacred they tend to leave there country

(this was what happened after baby doc left)
http://www.cja.org/article.php?list=type&type=250

From the outset, the military regime was characterized by widespread and systematic human rights violations—government and paramilitary forces killed an estimated 4,000 Haitians and forced hundreds of thousands to flee the land border to the Dominican Republic or risk the high seas

Now you give me links on what the haitian government is doin to stop mass migrations out of there country and protect its ppl

I'll wait

 

[hashmander]

Proof that they are not?

you're the one claiming they are, so you prove it. the article posted in this thread about jamaica and bahamas was about illegal immigrants.

 

[BigMan]

never heard of until this morning, smh you must think am one of them coli Hotep dudes

Here are your links

http://www.blackpast.org/gah/duvalier-jean-claude-baby-doc-1951

http://www.mrdowling.com/710-haiti.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...daa2bc-4be3-11e4-b72e-d60a9229cc10_story.html


Here is a bonus concept for you, when people are starving, hopeless and being massacred they tend to leave there country

(this was what happened after baby doc left)
http://www.cja.org/article.php?list=type&type=250



Now you give me links on what the haitian government is doin to stop mass migrations out of there country and protect its ppl

I'll wait

i had no idea that people were fleeing Haiti in 2015 because of Duvalier sabes qué ano es?
many of the people in danger of deportation are Dominicans,
you want to keep track of the Haitian governemnt, start here:
https://www.facebook.com/michelmartelly
Miami Herald has stuff
HaitiLibre
HaitianTimes

 

[OfTheCross]

How the fukk is the outrage phony when the Dominican Republic has always had racist policies towards their black citizens. This is about as close to ethnic cleansing as you can get without the actual murders of thousands.

What are you talking about? Most Dominicans are black people in color.

This is about immigration, not race.

Haiti just changed their nationality law i believe and historically both places have changed their nationality laws many times. Again you dont seem very knowledgeable nor are you haitian or dominican so you should sit this one out

So Haiti can change their law but the DR can't?

Every single thread about this the Dominican Defense Force come up in here and do the same damage control bullshyt to shyt up the thread. We get it y'all, you've broadcasted your stances on the topic time and time again and you are entitled to them. But it is not adding anything to the discussion. The fact of the matter is, 100k people will now become stateless for no reason other than racism and the pasivity of both dominicans living on the island and the diaspora only sets a bad precedent going forward. Let the government continue to go unchecked. We all remember what happened the last time a country enacted "social cleansing "

They don't have to be stateless. Haiti can play a role in helping them get their necessary documents to apply for citizenship or visas

systematic and institutional racism has done a number on Dominicans, got a lot of them denying their african roots. "I'm not black i'm a darkskin dominican"

I'm not black, I'm Colombian.

I'm not black, I'm Haitian.

I'm not black, I'm Jamaican.

I'm not black, I'm Cuban.

Catch my drift?..

Yeah I'm sure if the U.S. wanted to deport your great grandkids in 70 years you'd be completely okay with that. How many Dominicans come here with a student/vacation Visa and stay illegally? You hear about that all the time. Then they gotta wait forever to get papers. So it would be okay for the U.S. to revoke their American born children and their great grandchildren's citizenship just because of how their family got here? Their grandparents stayed for a better life, risking deportation and arrest but made it. Their descendants make a life here, to the point where the country of origin is only a memory and you really believe the U.S. would be in their right to revoke citizenship? Nah I can't believe that you really believe that.

As educated and as much information as we are all exposed to, you're still thinking like this. Theres no excuse except for blinding jingoism.



So why didn't you post numbers?



Don't half ass shyt.


Wait what? Where is he from?

Okay? Goes to show you that there is a process. They just gotta follow it.

DR has prepared 7 locations throughout the country to hold the people that are illegal and they have 48 hours to deport them . they have trained 2000 inspectors, cops and military to ensure their rights are preserved but AGAIN...they Haitian government is full of shyt and not providing documents or help to their people so that DR can start the process.

the mechanism are already established in DR to regulate immigration policies but Haiti doesn't want to do anything for their people.

I forgot what I was gonna comment on this. Good post, tho

me too

Very nice.

My family owns multiple homes in DR. My father plans on retiring there in a few years. All of which we could not do if we had never came to the States. Not everyone has the luxuries that me and you have. There are many illegal Dominicans who are working on building back home who probably have family depending on them. Who would have NOTHING if they were deported out of nowhere.

What you're saying is if a US-born Dominican (to an illegal) creates a life here, owns a home, has kids, and the gov't wants to kick him out then fukk him right?

The government has that ability. Just gotta get my paperwork in order.

One of my best friends in high school was illegal and I didn't know it til he couldn't register for community college.

It was very hard on home for a while, but he had to get his documents straight. His parents filled him over by not handling that

are they deporting people born in the bahamas and jamaica?

Yes, they are.

My ex's family are Haitian and living in the Bahamas and a couple of them are going through it right now.

Sucks cause they don't even speak Creole, but they gotta get all their shyt together

 

[606onit]

hope they get that NATURAL CLEANSE with no forecast.

 

[OfTheCross]

Check out @rcavada's Tweet:

It's all peace. Those that can't follow the law pack up and leave until they got their papers in order

 

[Barnett114]

me too