Pressure the gov. of the Dominican Republic to stop its planned "cleaning" of 250k black Dominicans

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The funny part about Haitian immigration in DR is that a sizable amount of Haitian immigrants were convinced by Dominicans to come to DR so that Dominican contractors could take advantage of the cheap labor.

Real shyt, I really really hate the Dominican gvt. I have A LOT of issues with the them, personal & political, and I'm a Dominican citizen

I really sympathize with the Dominicans & Haitians that have been affected by this (I know quite a few) but the Haitian government needs to attend to the needs of their citizens. It seems like the Haitian gvt & upper class has pretty much left the majority of the Haitian populace for dead and is expecting for DR to absorb their citizens. Even though The Dominican state has handled situations pertaining to Haitian immigrations terribly, we should expect more from Haitian officials. The politicians there need to stop worrying about their Swiss bank accounts and start worrying about the future of their country & it's citizens

But knowing how stupid the Dominican government is, I wouldnt be surprised if theyre getting ready to kick out tens of thousands of people born on Dominican soil. Some have no attachment to Haiti either, just a grandparent born in Haiti. Any negative press that happens as a result of this is 100000% warranted
I'm Haitian, and I agree. The Haitian government has been corrupt for a while. It shouldn't have gotten to a point where Haitians are fleeing to the DR. It's also common for wealthy Haitians to move to the DR. Dominican contractors have been using Haitians for slave labor. It seems only Haitians and Dominicans can fix this.
 

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What are you talking about? Most Dominicans are black people in color.

This is about immigration, not race.



So Haiti can change their law but the DR can't?



They don't have to be stateless. Haiti can play a role in helping them get their necessary documents to apply for citizenship or visas



I'm not black, I'm Colombian.

I'm not black, I'm Haitian.

I'm not black, I'm Jamaican.

I'm not black, I'm Cuban.

Catch my drift?..



Okay? Goes to show you that there is a process. They just gotta follow it.



I forgot what I was gonna comment on this. Good post, tho



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Very nice.



The government has that ability. Just gotta get my paperwork in order.

One of my best friends in high school was illegal and I didn't know it til he couldn't register for community college.

It was very hard on home for a while, but he had to get his documents straight. His parents filled him over by not handling that



Yes, they are.

My ex's family are Haitian and living in the Bahamas and a couple of them are going through it right now.

Sucks cause they don't even speak Creole, but they gotta get all their shyt together
DR changing their law in 2010. why not in 1844? or 1945? or 1975? A little convenient don't you think? DR, as all nations do, (and i have said this before check the thread), has a right to regulate immigration but creating thousands of stateless persons (they can then legally deny them access to healthcare, political representation, and schools etc) and mass deportations + Dominican hatred of Haiti and Haitians has all the makings of a human rights emergency. Haiti cannot handle hundreds of thousands of migrants.
 

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DR changing their law in 2010. why not in 1844? or 1945? or 1975? A little convenient don't you think? DR, as all nations do, (and i have said this before check the thread), has a right to regulate immigration but creating thousands of stateless persons (they can then legally deny them access to healthcare, political representation, and schools etc) and mass deportations + Dominican hatred of Haiti and Haitians has all the makings of a human rights emergency. Haiti cannot handle hundreds of thousands of migrants.

Dominicans of Haitian descent scramble for residency amid deportation threat


Haitian Jaquenol Martinez shows a card that proves that he has worked in the Dominican sugar cane fields since 1963, while trying to apply for a temporary resident permit, in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic. Photograph: Ezequiel Abiu Lopez/AP
Sibylla Brodzinsky
Tuesday 16 June 2015 12.47 EDTLast modified on Tuesday 16 June 2015 15.53 EDT

Yesenia Originé has never been to Haiti and has no interest in going.
She was born in the Dominican city of San Pedro de Macorís to Haitian parents. But because she has no papers to prove it, she, like thousands of other people of Haitian descent in the Dominican Republic, risks being rounded up and deported to the neighboring country.

Many people in Originé’s situation are fearing the worst ahead of the Wednesday deadline for an estimated 500,000 undocumented persons living in the Dominican Republic to register with government authorities. The country’s authorities have reportedly lined up a fleet of buses and established processing centers on the border with Haiti, prompting widespread fears of mass roundups of Dominicans of Haitian descent.

“If they send me there, I don’t know what I’ll do,” says 22-year-old Originé who lives in a batey

– a company town for sugarcane workers – in the south-west of the Dominican Republic.
A 2013 court ruling stripped children of Haitian migrants their citizenship retroactively to 1930, leaving tens of thousands of Dominican-born people of Haitian descent stateless. International outrage over the ruling led the Dominican government to pass a law last year that allows people born to undocumented foreign parents, whose birth was never registered in the Dominican Republic, to request residency permits as foreigners. After two years they can apply for naturalisation.

However many have actively resisted registering as foreigners because they say they are Dominican by birth and deserve all the rights that come with it – for example a naturalised citizen cannot run for high office.

Beneco Enecia, director of a community development group called Cedeso that works with Haitian immigrants and Dominicans of Haitian descent in the town of Tamayo, says his organization does not recommend those born in the Dominican Republic to apply for residency. “We tell people to resist and we will continue to press for their recognition as citizens,” he says. “They are Dominican, not Haitian.”

But that means that after the 17 June deadline, people in Originé’s situation could be picked up and sent to the border. “There are rumours that on the 18th there will be a roundup at the batey,” she says. “I’m afraid to go out on to the street.”


Interior minister Ramón Fadul has denied there will be mass roundups. But major general Rubén Darío Paulino, the country’s director of migration, told local press that 2,000 police and military officers and 150 inspectors had received special training for deportations.


“Things will happen slowly at first,” predicts Wade McMullen, a lawyer with Robert F Kennedy Human Rights, a US-based advocacy center. “The Dominican government will likely be very careful about taking any action that can be deemed massive,” he says.


Under the regularization program, non-citizens who could establish their identity and prove they arrived before October 2011 are also eligible for residency. But for many Haitian migrants – born in Haiti but living undocumented in the Dominican Republic – getting passports or identity cards from their country’s embassy has proven slow and costly. Many cannot show they have been in the country for more than five years because employers refuse to admit they have been hiring illegals.


Fadul said 250,000 people have started the application process for residency but that only 10,000 had met all the requirements. So far, only about 300 have actually received permits. Those with proof of application, however, will not be deported, he said.


Throughout the year during which the regularization plan has been implemented, recent immigrants continue to be picked up and expelled under a programme known as the Shield. In the first quarter of 2015 some 40,000 people have been deported to Haiti. Human rights groups have also documented numerous incidents in which people on their way to apply for residency were swept up and taken to the border.
Haiti and the Dominican Republic share a long history of tension and mistrust, since Haiti occupied its neighbour militarily three times in the early nineteenth century with the intent of unifying the island under a single rule. In the early 20th century, tens of thousands of migrant workers from Haiti were hired to work in Dominican sugar cane fields and often stayed after the harvest, while others have crossed the porous border to escape political violence or seeking better economic opportunities.


Today Haiti is the poorest country in the western hemisphere and remains crippled after a devastating earthquake in 2010.


It’s the last place Ogoriné wants to go. “I’m desperate, I may have to go into hiding” she says. “Whenever I see the military or police now I tremble with fear.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/16/dominican-republic-haiti-deportation-residency-permits

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DR changing their law in 2010. why not in 1844? or 1945? or 1975? A little convenient don't you think? DR, as all nations do, (and i have said this before check the thread), has a right to regulate immigration but creating thousands of stateless persons (they can then legally deny them access to healthcare, political representation, and schools etc) and mass deportations + Dominican hatred of Haiti and Haitians has all the makings of a human rights emergency. Haiti cannot handle hundreds of thousands of migrants.
Neither can DR, or the Bahamas, or the US some would argue.

Nobody wants a giant ass unregulated influx of people in their country.

South Africans were just having a big issue with this a couple months ago.

European countries are turning people away and deporting then all the time.

The Haitian government has to claim their citizens
 

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This is like the third or fourth time laws like this have been passed they are pretty much unenforceable in DR sure a couple hundred people a year might get sent back but several thousand more will still come in

its the same with the Mexican border here but the same dudes who will talk about "we gotta keep the Mexicans out" of our borders, will cry if DR enforces there

BTW at the end of the day mass deportation never works

1 small island with two nations never works, what we need is a consolidation of the island but that will never happen in our life times
So America's deporting Mexican American grandchildren of Mexican immigrants?


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Neither can DR, or the Bahamas, or the US some would argue.

Nobody wants a giant ass unregulated influx of people in their country.

South Africans were just having a big issue with this a couple months ago.

European countries are turning people away and deporting then all the time.

The Haitian government has to claim their citizens
All of them are not Haitian citizens hence the statelessness issue

also @ariana martell let me ask you who is more Dominican, Originé from NYTimes or my niece whose father is Dominican and mother is half Dominican but born abroad and never been to DR, Spanish not her native language etc.
 

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nikkas won't admit it here but DR has a huge problem with racism. My dad is Charlie Murphy black and was made fun of and fukked with all of his youth. I think it played a huge part in him raising me and my sisters. He would always tell us that we were black, black is beautiful and be proud of it. My mom told me stories of him beefing with her brothers because he caught them squeezing my nose as a kid to "fix" my nose :snoop:

This shyt with the Haitians isn't a surprise to me at all. :francis:
Even a nation as proud of their independence from France, and for being the first independent Black nation in the Western hemisphere, we Haitians STILL have colorism issues of our own. Haitians not claiming their African roots, Haitians loving French culture a little too much.

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All of them are not Haitian citizens hence the statelessness issue

also @ariana martell let me ask you who is more Dominican, Originé from NYTimes or my niece whose father is Dominican and mother is half Dominican but born abroad and never been to DR, Spanish not her native language etc.


Neither one of them are citizens.

And those that are stateless will have to deal with it. Immigrate somewhere else. I know people that have been deported from 4 different countries:pachaha:

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Like a lot of countries around the world, they're taking drastic measures to protect the culture and identity of their nation, also their jobs. It's their country and they have every right to restrict immigration. The Haitians are just going to have to work extremely hard to build a country worth living in.
 

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Like a lot of countries around the world, they're taking drastic measures to protect the culture and identity of their nation, also their jobs. It's their country and they have every right to restrict immigration. The Haitians are just going to have to work extremely hard to build a country worth living in.

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