Practice is no sweat, its the games that are a problem: 2024-5 Detroit Pistons thread

[who_better_than_me]

It was a foul but Pistons were gooning it up all game . Kat/brunson made some crazy shots

Cade ready for superstardom. Im packaging Ausar, Holland, Ivey, FRPs combo for a star. He needs a side kick right now. Booker, Zion, Jaron Jackson

Ausar has been terrible all series. I dont think he will ever develop a jump shot. His shot looks worse this year. He made good decisions with ball in his hands all year but his bball iq in playoffs has been bad. Playoff pressure definitely getting to twins

The price to resign Beasley probably coming down with this playoff performance. See what the Bucks and Lakers fans were complaining about

Not upset overall. They’re competing and headed in great direction

Props for seeing that about twin. I’m battling a herd about saying the same sentiment about Amen. Ppl see the top percentile athleticism and ignore the twins shortcoming. It’s almost playing 4 on 5 because Amen plays the dunker spots and it allows defense to crowd the paint. And yeah they play really good defense but it’s not impactful enough in the playoffs to offset their lack of offensive production inthe postseason. The twins can be schemed out so far in their career. And in the playoffs be use the game is slowed down their ability to produce in the transition game and get downhill has been marginalized.


At this point I’m begging Ime to start Jabari to open up the offense for the starter and let Amen feast on the warriors bench players especially while Jimmy is out.


If Giannis is available for Houston I’d include Amen without hesitation because Ime offense ain’t developed enough to allow a frontcourt of amen, Giannis and sengun to strive. The spacing would be catastrophic. And if you include Amen you don’t have to send out too many more assets because he’s viewed as the rockets best asset .

 

[who_better_than_me]

Next year and the year after ppl are going To be saying the same what if’s about the “wait til the twins develope a 3”. . They going be saying that on their second contract while they’re being paid max dollars.

And honestly,The jump shot isn’t even a bigger issue to me as much as their handles. If they had handles they could be bigger threats in the halfcourt game because with handles and their athleticism, they could win their ISO’s but currently they can’t do that without getting downhill

 

[NormanConnors]

It was a foul but Pistons were gooning it up all game . Kat/brunson made some crazy shots

Cade ready for superstardom. Im packaging Ausar, Holland, Ivey, FRPs combo for a star. He needs a side kick right now. Booker, Zion, Jaron Jackson

Ausar has been terrible all series. I dont think he will ever develop a jump shot. His shot looks worse this year. He made good decisions with ball in his hands all year but his bball iq in playoffs has been bad. Playoff pressure definitely getting to twins

The price to resign Beasley probably coming down with this playoff performance. See what the Bucks and Lakers fans were complaining about

Not upset overall. They’re competing and headed in great direction

I'm not about argue with yall for another season or two about getting rid of a guy we should keep. Cats have to get experience somehow.

 

[dh86]

It was a foul but Pistons were gooning it up all game . Kat/brunson made some crazy shots

Cade ready for superstardom. Im packaging Ausar, Holland, Ivey, FRPs combo for a star. He needs a side kick right now. Booker, Zion, Jaron Jackson

Ausar has been terrible all series. I dont think he will ever develop a jump shot. His shot looks worse this year. He made good decisions with ball in his hands all year but his bball iq in playoffs has been bad. Playoff pressure definitely getting to twins

The price to resign Beasley probably coming down with this playoff performance. See what the Bucks and Lakers fans were complaining about

Not upset overall. They’re competing and headed in great direction

Without Ausar, Pistons are the Hawks. They couldn’t afford to bench him the way they did yesterday, the Knicks didn’t just “make shots”, we have 2 defenders and they were both out the game and it’s the playoffs.

 

[djthegreat88]

Without Ausar, Pistons are the Hawks. They couldn’t afford to bench him the way they did yesterday, the Knicks didn’t just “make shots”, we have 2 defenders and they were both out the game and it’s the playoffs.

Problem is Pistons struggled to score yesterday badly. Having two offensive black holes on offense with Ausar and Duren doesn’t work because it means there is even more focus on Cade because there is zero spacing.

 

[manyfaces]

Without Ausar, Pistons are the Hawks. They couldn’t afford to bench him the way they did yesterday, the Knicks didn’t just “make shots”, we have 2 defenders and they were both out the game and it’s the playoffs.

Problem is Pistons struggled to score yesterday badly. Having two offensive black holes on offense with Ausar and Duren doesn’t work because it means there is even more focus on Cade because there is zero spacing.

The problem is your both right. Couldn't play him cause he was giving nothin on offense and couldn't bench him because nobody guards Brunson nearly as effective. Schroeder bothers brunson as an irritant in space, but once he makes it to the paint he gets what he wants. And THJ is just did to him no matter where he's at. Ausar looks like he's playing with a lot of nerves this series, especially on offense. He has to come back better next season.

 

[dh86]

Problem is Pistons struggled to score yesterday badly. Having two offensive black holes on offense with Ausar and Duren doesn’t work because it means there is even more focus on Cade because there is zero spacing.

I would’ve benched Duren first. I’d rather Towns get 40 than Brunson get 30

 

[who_better_than_me]

The problem is your both right. Couldn't play him cause he was giving nothin on offense and couldn't bench him because nobody guards Brunson nearly as effective. Schroeder bothers brunson as an irritant in space, but once he makes it to the paint he gets what he wants. And THJ is just did to him no matter where he's at. Ausar looks like he's playing with a lot of nerves this series, especially on offense. He has to come back better next season.

This generation of coaches don’t really get the most out of the energy defensive guys like the twins. Ausar would’ve beast with the Chauncey, Big Ben Squads. Him and Tayshaun would’ve been the real twins but everything now is 5 out perimeter oriented. And Bickerstaff isn’t an offensive coach by any means. Pistons gm gotta do him a solid and find a offensive assistant coach

 

[manyfaces]

This generation of coaches don’t really get the most out of the energy defensive guys like the twins. Ausar would’ve beast with the Chauncey, Big Ben Squads. Him and Tayshaun would’ve been the real twins but everything now is 5 out perimeter oriented. And Bickerstaff isn’t an offensive coach by any means. Pistons gm gotta do him a solid and find a offensive assistant coach

It's not that they don't get the most out of them, it's moreso the scheme's have figured out a way to exploit those defensive specialist with no shooting ability and make them almost unplayable at times on the court. It's why 3nD guys became so valuable. If Ausar was just his regular season self it wouldn't be nearly as big an issue, but he seems to be playing nervous with the bigger stakes. I won't fault it too much as it so many of their first times experiencing the playoffs. But they need to stack the off-season and really work on some of the gaps. Team got the potential to be really good for a long time.

 

[dh86]

It's not that they don't get the most out of them, it's moreso the scheme's have figured out a way to exploit those defensive specialist with no shooting ability and make them almost unplayable at times on the court. It's why 3nD guys became so valuable. If Ausar was just his regular season self it wouldn't be nearly as big an issue, but he seems to be playing nervous with the bigger stakes. I won't fault it too much as it so many of their first times experiencing the playoffs. But they need to stack the off-season and really work on some of the gaps. Team got the potential to be really good for a long time.

A quick hook would make him kinda nervous. The end of yesterdays game was no place for the teams only defender to sit with 2 fouls. I think Duren was exactly as undisciplined as Ausar is. I agree is tough to have both on the court together but I’d take Ausar over Duren any day.

 

[Dem313wayz]

A quick hook would make him kinda nervous. The end of yesterdays game was no place for the teams only defender to sit with 2 fouls. I think Duren was exactly as undisciplined as Ausar is. I agree is tough to have both on the court together but I’d take Ausar over Duren any day.

Who gonna rebound without Duren and no beef Stew to help.

Duren has become the one fans online hate and it makes no sense when he has improved tremendously. They're just both going through growing pains

 

[dh86]

Who gonna rebound without Duren and no beef Stew to help.

Duren has become the one fans online hate and it makes no sense when he has improved tremendously. They're just both going through growing pains

Because he’s the most expendable of the young core

 

[NormanConnors]

Without Ausar, Pistons are the Hawks. They couldn’t afford to bench him the way they did yesterday, the Knicks didn’t just “make shots”, we have 2 defenders and they were both out the game and it’s the playoffs.

Facts

 

[who_better_than_me]

It's not that they don't get the most out of them, it's moreso the scheme's have figured out a way to exploit those defensive specialist with no shooting ability and make them almost unplayable at times on the court. It's why 3nD guys became so valuable. If Ausar was just his regular season self it wouldn't be nearly as big an issue, but he seems to be playing nervous with the bigger stakes. I won't fault it too much as it so many of their first times experiencing the playoffs. But they need to stack the off-season and really work on some of the gaps. Team got the potential to be really good for a long time.

I think it’s lack of coaching creativity. I seen it first hand with Bickerstaff as a coach in Houston and it happened again with Cleveland. Cleveland brought back the same team to start the season and they were significantly more improved in team success. The thing that changed was their offensive efficiency and what changed that was coaching. Bi berated was a great hired for Detroit because he changed their preparation. Eventually though Detroit will outgrow him.

I say the same thing about Ausar that I say about Amen. It’s not the fact they don’t have a perimter shot. It’s the fact they don’t have a perimter shot or an advantageous handle in the halfcourt setting. That lack of handles hurts them more than the shot. If they could combined that top percentile athleticism with a crafty handle and footwork they’d be top 10 players don’t even need elite handle.

 

[manyfaces]

I think it’s lack of coaching creativity. I seen it first hand with Bickerstaff as a coach in Houston and it happened again with Cleveland. Cleveland brought back the same team to start the season and they were significantly more improved in team success. The thing that changed was their offensive efficiency and what changed that was coaching. Bi berated was a great hired for Detroit because he changed their preparation. Eventually though Detroit will outgrow him.

I say the same thing about Ausar that I say about Amen. It’s not the fact they don’t have a perimter shot. It’s the fact they don’t have a perimter shot or an advantageous handle in the halfcourt setting. That lack of handles hurts them more than the shot. If they could combined that top percentile athleticism with a crafty handle and footwork they’d be top 10 players don’t even need elite handle.

The Cavs are better sure, but to put that all on JB and not add the caveats that 3 oftheir top 4 players missed 20-25 games+ the season before and the natural progression of Mobley in his 4th year is a bit disingenuous. JB had his flaws but the media running with this narrative that it was all because of a coach swap is bullshyt. And again, I'm still acknowledging that they're better.

Regarding the twins, handle or no handle, they ain't cracking a top 10 without at least a serviceable jumper. Ain't nobody in there that don't have one, regardless of the athleticism. It can certainly help though, them improving their handle. Ausar sometimes seems like he can't walk and chew gum at the same time, then others he seems amazingly coordinated with ridiculous body control, like that spin move he pulled in game 2. They're both still a pretty big enigma on what they can be offensively. They both do have a good feel for the game though, which is more than I can say for a lot of those super athlete nikkas in the past.