how much of this can trump really take 
POTUS or Prisoner; The '24 Trump Campaign Fvckery thread
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OnFleekTing
Superstar
Trump will easily win the primary
We saw this same story in 2016
Trump has a base with a ceiling but it can go pretty high the opposite candidates are weak af and do not have the charisma or media savvy of trump and will lose support the minute Trump starts unloading on them. Desantis has only risen to prominence due to Trump being out of power and off Twitter vs him actually being a conservative standard holder. He cannot exist as the clean cut and anti establishment maverick that Trump presents as. Its just gonna be a bigger divide among the party and you already will see where people will fall based on where the republican influencers start
Its telling that the only people talking about Trump being done are the corporate non populist wing of the Republicans with a vested interest in seeing him gone but yet did nothing with the many shots at getting him out the paint. Jan 6 should have been it but they got scared they will get scared again because they are all afraid of trump.
Right now a lot of folks are going to be trying to gain favor as they ride Trump or Desantis to the top with this small majority. If they really wanted to win in 2024 they'd be taking their small majority and ruining Biden but instead they are all seeing where the power lies
We saw this same story in 2016
Trump has a base with a ceiling but it can go pretty high the opposite candidates are weak af and do not have the charisma or media savvy of trump and will lose support the minute Trump starts unloading on them. Desantis has only risen to prominence due to Trump being out of power and off Twitter vs him actually being a conservative standard holder. He cannot exist as the clean cut and anti establishment maverick that Trump presents as. Its just gonna be a bigger divide among the party and you already will see where people will fall based on where the republican influencers start
Its telling that the only people talking about Trump being done are the corporate non populist wing of the Republicans with a vested interest in seeing him gone but yet did nothing with the many shots at getting him out the paint. Jan 6 should have been it but they got scared they will get scared again because they are all afraid of trump.
Right now a lot of folks are going to be trying to gain favor as they ride Trump or Desantis to the top with this small majority. If they really wanted to win in 2024 they'd be taking their small majority and ruining Biden but instead they are all seeing where the power lies
i mean, i think we all know that in an actual primary fight, trump wins it outright. its not that desantis is scared of trump, or can't take him; it's that attacking trump is a death sentence on the right
the interesting dynamic is that trump knows he's a loser, the DC politicians know he's a loser, the donors know he's a loser, and desantis knows it's his time. they all just cant say it out loud
republicans have to find some way to convince trump that he cant risk the humiliation of a second loss
one way top GOP officials can get Trump out of the way , and stop him from running is by
cooperating with the justice department on trying to get criminal charges to land on Trump.
Make his appointed judges turn on him.
cooperating with the justice department on trying to get criminal charges to land on Trump.
Make his appointed judges turn on him.
now that i think about it, there is a third strategy
republicans could have someone like chris christie declare at the same time as desantis. someone who has no intention of winning any votes, but's there for the sole purpose of antagonizing trump, and spends all his time attacking trump and calling him a loser and a clown. does all the attacking for desantis so trump has to respond to this dude calling him a fukkin loser
its actually a far better strategy than just having desantis go at trump. he actually needs some kinda buffer, heel, 'villain' candidate
republicans could have someone like chris christie declare at the same time as desantis. someone who has no intention of winning any votes, but's there for the sole purpose of antagonizing trump, and spends all his time attacking trump and calling him a loser and a clown. does all the attacking for desantis
so trump has to respond to this dude calling him a fukkin loserits actually a far better strategy than just having desantis go at trump. he actually needs some kinda buffer, heel, 'villain' candidate
OnFleekTing
Superstar
That's a losing strategynow that i think about it, there is a third strategy
republicans could have someone like chris christie declare at the same time as desantis. someone who has no intention of winning any votes, but's there for the sole purpose of antagonizing trump, and spends all his time attacking trump and calling him a loser and a clown. does all the attacking for desantis
its actually a far better strategy than just having desantis go at trump. he actually needs some kinda buffer, heel, 'villain' candidate
Cristie or whoever would actually pull votes from Desantis doing this and gain national media prominence during his trump back and forth
Desantis would effectively be Jeb Bush and pushed out the spotlight trying to be above the fray and not getting any attention from the media
The matter was settled in 2015/2016 when all the anti trump people turned their cloaks and became trump supporters. They purged the party of the rinos remember and now these same rinos and establishment figures are trying to coalesce behind desantis. Self preservation is just gonna mean they and desantis will get purged from the party again even harder.
Honestly the only thing Desantis has substance wise is his ability to own the libs but he can't do that as a establishment republican trying to be anti trump preaching that trumpism is bad
Its gonna me a crash dummy mission for whoever goes against trump because then its gonna be an argument of whether you actually want to win in a primary or just don't want Trump to lose in 2024
Only strategy worth anything is waiting to see if Trump goes to jail and then taking up his place as the nominee
LeVraiPapi
Redemption is Coming
now that i think about it, there is a third strategy
republicans could have someone like chris christie declare at the same time as desantis. someone who has no intention of winning any votes, but's there for the sole purpose of antagonizing trump, and spends all his time attacking trump and calling him a loser and a clown. does all the attacking for desantis
its actually a far better strategy than just having desantis go at trump. he actually needs some kinda buffer, heel, 'villain' candidate
You’re still hurt over the fact that Desantis is not gonna do well nationally But but but he kept Florida open and he did better than Newsom. Man is out here trynna rally for Desantis on the low
Hood Critic
The Power Circle
Imagine believing mask mandates from prior years are going to move voters in 2024 brehs...
Trump believes he can do whatever he wants to do but the Republican party has already put the memo out, they off his wave and on to DeSantis.
They're done with Trump, he just isn't ready to accept it yet. DeSantis has little personality and doesn't have the temperament for national office, barring a great depression level economic event, Biden is going to moonwalk to re-election in '24.
Trump believes he can do whatever he wants to do but the Republican party has already put the memo out, they off his wave and on to DeSantis.
They're done with Trump, he just isn't ready to accept it yet. DeSantis has little personality and doesn't have the temperament for national office, barring a great depression level economic event, Biden is going to moonwalk to re-election in '24.
Reality Check
Keepin' it 100
Before Tuesday it was. Since then the cracks are starting to show in the foundation. All the Trumpanzee TV networks, after months of promising a red wave/red tsunami have to now explain why that didn't happen and all roads go to Orange Mussolini. They're starting to wake up and realize Trump is only a kingmaker in areas that Republicans generally dominate and is a liability everywhere else.
Edit: Now the WSJ is piling on Trump
What will Democrats do when Donald Trump isn’t around to lose elections? We have to wonder because on Tuesday Democrats succeeded again in making the former President a central campaign issue, and Mr. Trump helped them do it.
Trumpy Republican candidates failed at the ballot box in states that were clearly winnable. This can’t be what Mr. Trump was envisioning ahead of his “very big announcement” next week. Yet maybe the defeats are what the party needs to hear before 2024.
Looking at the Senate map, the message could not be clearer. In New Hampshire, the Trump-endorsed Republican Don Bolduc lost to Sen. Maggie Hassan, 53% to 45%, as of the latest data. At the same time voters re-elected Republican Gov. Chris Sununu by 16 points.
“Don Bolduc was a very nice guy, but he lost tonight when he disavowed, after his big primary win, his longstanding stance on Election Fraud,” Mr. Trump said. “Had he stayed strong and true, he would have won, easily.” We doubt New Hampshire voters simply wanted Mr. Bolduc to stay kooky.
In Arizona the Trump-endorsed Republican Blake Masters trails Sen. Mark Kelly, 51% to 47%. This is a state successful Gov. Doug Ducey won by 14 points in 2018. Mr. Ducey could have won the Senate seat, but Mr. Trump pledged to go to war with him because Mr. Ducey refused to entertain 2020 fraud theories.
In Pennsylvania, the Trump-endorsed Republican Mehmet Oz lost to John Fetterman, 51% to 47%. This is a tough state for the GOP. But Mr. Fetterman was a weak candidate: He’s a lefty with a record of wanting Medicare for All and a ban on fracking, and he’s recovering from a stroke. David McCormick would have been a better Republican nominee, but he wouldn’t say the 2020 election was stolen, so Mr. Trump endorsed Mr. Oz.
In Georgia, the Trump-endorsed Republican Herschel Walker trails Sen. Raphael Warnock, 49.4% to 48.5%. This is going to a December runoff, which Mr. Walker could win. But Gov. Brian Kemp won re-election by eight points. Mr. Walker’s flaws as a candidate were obvious, but Mr. Trump helped clear the primary field and other candidates opted out.
In Ohio the Trump-endorsed Republican J.D. Vance won a solid victory over Rep. Tim Ryan, 53% to 47%, while Republican Gov. Mike DeWine won by 26 points. Mr. Vance was a poor fundraiser. As of Oct. 19 he’d pulled in $12 million to Mr. Ryan’s $47 million. What saved him was $32 million from the Senate Leadership Fund (SLF), a Super Pac aligned with Mitch McConnell. Mr. Vance trailed in the polls until mid-October.
Doug Mastriano, Pennsylvania’s Trump-endorsed gubernatorial choice, lost by 14 points. Tim Michels in Wisconsin and Tudor Dixon in Michigan fumbled winnable gubernatorial races. Also in Michigan, Mr. Trump helped John Gibbs beat GOP Rep. Peter Meijer in the primary in the Grand Rapids seat because Mr. Meijer voted to impeach him. Mr. Gibbs lost by 13 points. Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler also voted to impeach Mr. Trump, who helped Joe Kent beat her in a primary. Mr. Kent is trailing in that Washington state district.
Mr. Trump could have stayed quiet in the final weeks of the campaign except to spend money to help his candidates. But he did little of the latter and instead staged rallies that played into Democratic hands. His rally in Latrobe last week might have hurt Mr. Oz with suburban voters who cost Mr. Trump the state in 2020.
Since his unlikely victory in 2016 against the widely disliked Hillary Clinton, Mr. Trump has a perfect record of electoral defeat. The GOP was pounded in the 2018 midterms owing to his low approval rating. Mr. Trump himself lost in 2020. He then sabotaged Georgia’s 2021 runoffs by blaming party leaders for not somehow overturning his defeat. That gave Democrats control of the Senate, letting President Biden pump up inflation with a $1.9 trillion Covid bill, appoint a liberal Supreme Court Justice, and pass a $700 billion climate spending hash.
Now Mr. Trump has botched the 2022 elections, and it could hand Democrats the Senate for two more years. Mr. Trump had policy successes as President, including tax cuts and deregulation, but he has led Republicans into one political fiasco after another.
“We’re going to win so much,” Mr. Trump once said, “that you’re going to get sick and tired of winning.” Maybe by now Republicans are sick and tired of losing.
Trumpy Republican candidates failed at the ballot box in states that were clearly winnable. This can’t be what Mr. Trump was envisioning ahead of his “very big announcement” next week. Yet maybe the defeats are what the party needs to hear before 2024.
Looking at the Senate map, the message could not be clearer. In New Hampshire, the Trump-endorsed Republican Don Bolduc lost to Sen. Maggie Hassan, 53% to 45%, as of the latest data. At the same time voters re-elected Republican Gov. Chris Sununu by 16 points.
“Don Bolduc was a very nice guy, but he lost tonight when he disavowed, after his big primary win, his longstanding stance on Election Fraud,” Mr. Trump said. “Had he stayed strong and true, he would have won, easily.” We doubt New Hampshire voters simply wanted Mr. Bolduc to stay kooky.
In Arizona the Trump-endorsed Republican Blake Masters trails Sen. Mark Kelly, 51% to 47%. This is a state successful Gov. Doug Ducey won by 14 points in 2018. Mr. Ducey could have won the Senate seat, but Mr. Trump pledged to go to war with him because Mr. Ducey refused to entertain 2020 fraud theories.
In Pennsylvania, the Trump-endorsed Republican Mehmet Oz lost to John Fetterman, 51% to 47%. This is a tough state for the GOP. But Mr. Fetterman was a weak candidate: He’s a lefty with a record of wanting Medicare for All and a ban on fracking, and he’s recovering from a stroke. David McCormick would have been a better Republican nominee, but he wouldn’t say the 2020 election was stolen, so Mr. Trump endorsed Mr. Oz.
In Georgia, the Trump-endorsed Republican Herschel Walker trails Sen. Raphael Warnock, 49.4% to 48.5%. This is going to a December runoff, which Mr. Walker could win. But Gov. Brian Kemp won re-election by eight points. Mr. Walker’s flaws as a candidate were obvious, but Mr. Trump helped clear the primary field and other candidates opted out.
In Ohio the Trump-endorsed Republican J.D. Vance won a solid victory over Rep. Tim Ryan, 53% to 47%, while Republican Gov. Mike DeWine won by 26 points. Mr. Vance was a poor fundraiser. As of Oct. 19 he’d pulled in $12 million to Mr. Ryan’s $47 million. What saved him was $32 million from the Senate Leadership Fund (SLF), a Super Pac aligned with Mitch McConnell. Mr. Vance trailed in the polls until mid-October.
Doug Mastriano, Pennsylvania’s Trump-endorsed gubernatorial choice, lost by 14 points. Tim Michels in Wisconsin and Tudor Dixon in Michigan fumbled winnable gubernatorial races. Also in Michigan, Mr. Trump helped John Gibbs beat GOP Rep. Peter Meijer in the primary in the Grand Rapids seat because Mr. Meijer voted to impeach him. Mr. Gibbs lost by 13 points. Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler also voted to impeach Mr. Trump, who helped Joe Kent beat her in a primary. Mr. Kent is trailing in that Washington state district.
Mr. Trump could have stayed quiet in the final weeks of the campaign except to spend money to help his candidates. But he did little of the latter and instead staged rallies that played into Democratic hands. His rally in Latrobe last week might have hurt Mr. Oz with suburban voters who cost Mr. Trump the state in 2020.
Since his unlikely victory in 2016 against the widely disliked Hillary Clinton, Mr. Trump has a perfect record of electoral defeat. The GOP was pounded in the 2018 midterms owing to his low approval rating. Mr. Trump himself lost in 2020. He then sabotaged Georgia’s 2021 runoffs by blaming party leaders for not somehow overturning his defeat. That gave Democrats control of the Senate, letting President Biden pump up inflation with a $1.9 trillion Covid bill, appoint a liberal Supreme Court Justice, and pass a $700 billion climate spending hash.
Now Mr. Trump has botched the 2022 elections, and it could hand Democrats the Senate for two more years. Mr. Trump had policy successes as President, including tax cuts and deregulation, but he has led Republicans into one political fiasco after another.
“We’re going to win so much,” Mr. Trump once said, “that you’re going to get sick and tired of winning.” Maybe by now Republicans are sick and tired of losing.
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Superstar
IMO - If DeSantis can take out Trump 1v1 then its a wrap and he's on his way to President
Reality Check
Keepin' it 100
breh, an 82 year old biden is not beating ron desantisImagine believing mask mandates from prior years are going to move voters in 2024 brehs...
Trump believes he can do whatever he wants to do but the Republican party has already put the memo out, they off his wave and on to DeSantis.
They're done with Trump, he just isn't ready to accept it yet. DeSantis has little personality and doesn't have the temperament for national office, barring a great depression level economic event, Biden is going to moonwalk to re-election in '24.
that's insane. what the fukk will his personality matter when biden could die in office? how good does desantis have to be at debating against stuttering, 82 year old biden?you're BADLY underestimating how many moderates and independents are dying for the GOP to move past trump. the end of trump will be a massive, refreshing momentum shift to the republican party
desantis just outright won the hispanic vote in florida. i know you think he's a fakkit, but dont be naive about his prospects
but for the record, this is all assuming a clean break from trump. so unless trump dies, it isnt happening
rally who? the elizabeth warren stans like you in HL?You’re still hurt over the fact that Desantis is not gonna do well nationally But but but he kept Florida open and he did better than Newsom. Man is out here trynna rally for Desantis on the low
the house is now gridlocked, and theres no dem primary. this is the only interesting shyt happening in politics for the next year and a half, unless you care about hunter biden's laptop
and if trump clean drops out, and it's biden-desantis in '24, then you name the dollar amount. im happy to take your money