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Hour 1: Will ESPN Be Sold?
ESPN might be sold to Apple??? :lupe:

Haven't listened to the episode yet so I don't know what Skipper's input is, but that's the wishful thinking/rumor going around, but I'm not sure it really adds up.

It's driven by the fact that subscriber numbers for ESPN are down due to people getting away from traditional cable, but this is also happening as Disney is positioning themselves to be as detached from the traditional entertainment distribution process as they would like and can legally be allowed to be.

The other side of it driven by Apple being thirsty for sports doesn't really add up, either. As I understand it, they allegedly want sports to round out their offerings for TV+, due to it not being as successful as they'd like. But Apple isn't dumb, and trying to get an (allegedly) underperforming product you've already invested a lot of money in turned around by pumping EXPONENTIALLY more money into it doesn't seem like their type of move. If anything, they may get more aggressive in their alleged negotiations for streaming rights for select games, or even partner with ESPN.
 

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Haven't listened to the episode yet so I don't know what Skipper's input is, but that's the wishful thinking/rumor going around, but I'm not sure it really adds up.

It's driven by the fact that subscriber numbers for ESPN are down due to people getting away from traditional cable, but this is also happening as Disney is positioning themselves to be as detached from the traditional entertainment distribution process as they would like and can legally be allowed to be.

The other side of it driven by Apple being thirsty for sports doesn't really add up, either. As I understand it, they allegedly want sports to round out their offerings for TV+, due to it not being as successful as they'd like. But Apple isn't dumb, and trying to get an (allegedly) underperforming product you've already invested a lot of money in turned around by pumping EXPONENTIALLY more money into it doesn't seem like their type of move. If anything, they may get more aggressive in their alleged negotiations for streaming rights for select games, or even partner with ESPN.

Apple is printing money, it's a small risk.

IMO to get that their streaming product up, either they buy a studio or get in the live sport market. Easier sell to the NFL, NBA, Formula 1, EPL/FIFA, when you have a brand like ESPN.

Samson spelled it out well around the 16 minute mark. They already have the hardware with the phones, computers, and iPads. Keeping all those eyeballs and wallets with Apple is the goal.
 
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Apple is printing money, it's a small risk.

IMO to get that their streaming product up, either they buy a studio or get in the live sport market. Easier sell to the NFL, NBA, Formula 1, EPL/FIFA, when you have a brand like ESPN.

Samson spelled it out well around the 16 minute mark. They already have the hardware with the phones, computers, and iPads. Keeping all those eyeballs and wallets with Apple is the goal.

Right, but this isn't like acquiring some small company just to get their patents, or something.

The easiest sell isn't in owning ESPN, but instead offering an alternative (not necessarily competitor) to ESPN that allows sports leagues to diversify their media partnership portfolio. Part of the reason the NFL has been allowed to have a stranglehold.over ESPN is that they actively have other viable relationships that they can hold over their heads.

Also, if Disney were legitimately looking to sell ESPN, the number probably STARTS at what they ended up paying for the Fox assets. ESPN, even in a slightly depressed state like right now, is incredibly valuable.

But even beyond what they'd be paying for the company and its structure, they'd be adding billions in operating cost yearly to keep things running. Not to mention that there's no telling if a possible sale could mean that any of the entities they have broadcast or streaming rights for have a legal right to ask them back to the negotiating table.

When you keep all of that in mind when considering that this would be done in an effort to acquire something that would be a massive outlier as far as their product family goes, it starts to look like the juice could maybe not be worth the squeeze.

I personally think most of the speculation is really more a case of Disney exhaustion, considering how much of the entertainment market they've acquired control of. But this idea that Apple of all companies is somehow going to swoop in and bail everybody out is pretty humorous.
 

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Right, but this isn't like acquiring some small company just to get their patents, or something.

The easiest sell isn't in owning ESPN, but instead offering an alternative (not necessarily competitor) to ESPN that allows sports leagues to diversify their media partnership portfolio. Part of the reason the NFL has been allowed to have a stranglehold.over ESPN is that they actively have other viable relationships that they can hold over their heads.

Also, if Disney were legitimately looking to sell ESPN, the number probably STARTS at what they ended up paying for the Fox assets. ESPN, even in a slightly depressed state like right now, is incredibly valuable.

But even beyond what they'd be paying for the company and its structure, they'd be adding billions in operating cost yearly to keep things running. Not to mention that there's no telling if a possible sale could mean that any of the entities they have broadcast or streaming rights for have a legal right to ask them back to the negotiating table.

When you keep all of that in mind when considering that this would be done in an effort to acquire something that would be a massive outlier as far as their product family goes, it starts to look like the juice could maybe not be worth the squeeze.

I personally think most of the speculation is really more a case of Disney exhaustion, considering how much of the entertainment market they've acquired control of. But this idea that Apple of all companies is somehow going to swoop in and bail everybody out is pretty humorous.



Skipper said if there was a price it would be 1 trillion.

Dont shoot the messenger :hubie:
 

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Skipper said if there was a price it would be 1 trillion.

Dont shoot the messenger :hubie:

I can't even argue with that man's logic. I could easily see someone arguing that number, and probably having data to at least make it credible.

On an unrelated note, Mike is p*ssy as shyt for trying to duck the bet from the SEC Championship game. He gotta hold the Finebaum L at minimum.
 

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I know I'm probably gonna get all kinds of lit up over this, but uh..........

I'm with Witty on not fukking with Succession. I made it through the first episode, and promptly ejected because there wasn't a single character that I could latch on to, since they're all insufferable a$$holes. Even Cousin Greg. It's like the show took the idea of the flawed protagonist from the last 16 years or so of prestige TV, and forgot that it works because all of them have some sort of relatable or charismatic hook.

We also gotta have a conversation that just as the 80s and 90s had the Impossible White Man action movie genre that ran everything, the mid 2000s and forward have the White People Behaving Badly genre running shyt.
I tried watching Succession this weekend and Word to Everything it was a struggle to just get through the 1st episode. Still haven’t even finished it
 

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Finally listened to that ESPN talk.

nikkas just talking to be talking. :mjlol:

First off, fukk Samson. He's a classic smart dumb motherfukker that constantly thinks he's the smartest person in the room, despite clearly not being such. Him trying to argue with Skipper that baseball would be have even remotely the same viewership as the NFL if they only played 17 games on a limited set of days is absolutely fukking preposterous. It's taking one element of the NFL's success, and assuming that that's the entire story. Never mind that he's having the argument with one of maybe three people that has seen the data and has the experience to not say it as a general statement.

That said, Skipper's arguments that if you can spend $100 billion, or even $1 trillion to raise your market cap to $4 trillion you do it, and/or owe it to your shareholders to try is an argument that really only works in a vacuum. Even if they went small, and just bought ESPN, they either need to restructure and spin off parts of the company, or accept that they're taking on a fukk ton of operating costs for stuff that no one at Apple has any real crossover experience with. For example, ESPN is the majority owner (more on that later) of ESPN Events, which actually organizes and promotes something like 17 of the end of year bowl games. And they mostly do it because as organizer of the games, they basically get to sell the right to the game back to themselves. Does Apple want to keep in that business, along with all that means? Do they want to spin it off and risk the spinoff company collapsing, and fukking up their end of year TV inventory? Do they sell ESPN's majority stake to Hearst so they have 100%, and then work on negotiating new deals to keep the rights to those bowls? There are a ton of other decisions like that they would need to make. On top of all of that, Disney doesn't even have full ownership of ESPN. They've got 80%, and Hearst has the other 20%. That complicates any sale.

Even the argument that Disney should listen to any offers really doesn't make sense past listening, because you're obligated to. Part of the reason a lot of industry people have soured so much on Disney recently is that for all of the talk of all these smaller companies blowing up the entertainment industry by going direct to consumer, and all the other buzzwords people like to use, it's fukking DISNEY of all companies that is the closest to pulling it off. While a lot of the internet focused on the MCU implications of the Fox purchase, that was really just a bonus for them. You could argue it was more about Hulu. They're positioning themselves so that cable and movie theaters are just ancillary forms of revenue for them. Getting rid of ESPN puts a giant hole in that plan for them. So, if they were to sell anything, they would likely approach it as an all or nothing deal, which even with the money they have, starts to become unattractive for Apple. They gonna pay a trillion dollars to be responsible for all the Disney resorts? The Apple shareholders that matter probably ain't getting jiggy with that shyt. And likewise, with Disney shareholders, there's probably real concern over what their shares translate to in relation to Apple's structure and dividends.
 

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The topic of ESPN beig sold has been brought up on the show several times...they really running out of shyt to talk about.
 

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The topic of ESPN beig sold has been brought up on the show several times...they really running out of shyt to talk about.

Yeah, it might be time for them to move Mike on to some sort of EP role for the entire podcast network, and let someone else take the wheel for the main show. I get that hitting the "What's going on at or with ESPN?" topic gets rehashed entirely because it's what Dan's interested in. But at some point, the producer has top step in and realize that unless there's truly new or effective insight into the topic, it's really not worth returning to repeatedly. And Mike has shown that he clearly isn't that producer at this point. Skipper can drop some good knowledge and interesting takes (for example, his statement that the Super Bowl could be a PPV event isn't all that crazy, but realistically speaking, that's something that's probably two rounds of TV deals and a theoretical loss of somewhere in the area of 50-100 million annual viewers away), but he and Samson spent the better part of an hour to come to the same conclusion that nearly any financial analyst doing a quick guest spot on a news show could've gotten across in a three minute segment.

It's been said a million times in this thread, but having traditional radio structure really helped the show. They occasionally have great bits where they spend a half hour roasting Chris Cote for trying to make it seem like it's completely normal to eat an entire fast food entree while driving home to eat your combo, but there are plenty of lows along with that now.
 
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