Post Mike Brown: Hip Hop doesn't feel right to me anymore

[John Hull]

I respect where the OP is coming from so I'll keep it respectful. With all due respect CACS don't need our help to be racist. Hip Hop didn't exist (in this form) in the 70's when they killed the Black Panthers. It didn't exist in the 60's when all the civil rights leaders and freedom fighters were getting assassinated, water hosed, and having dogs sicked on them. It didn't exist during Reconstruction and all the race riots in the early 20's.

What were the citizens of Oklahoma listening to when demonic white people bombed (yes bombed) Black Wall Street to the ground?

It's true that current so called Hip Hop is pure garbage for the most part, but don't be brainwashed by the media and scumbag trolls on the internet. CACS perfected this system of racism that exploits, murders, and then blames the victims long ago. It's what makes them who they are.

Peace

 

[10:31]

Respect to all the posters from both races attempting to answer a complex question... A question with no clear cut answer


I will provide context again to the users who've just entered the thread. The focus isn't the artist. We make this thread every time a "moment" happens an we focus on the bottom of the food chain..

The focus is the top. The presidents and CEOs who've created a system (music industry/entertainment) within a system (country) that generates millions of dollars on black destruction.


To the users stating hip hop has nothing to do with what happened to Mike I argue that it does. If you followed the Mike Brown situation closely the last several weeks you would've seen the extreme difference between what was actually happening on the streets of Ferguson as opposed to what the mainstream news media attempted AND is still attempting to showcase given their large platform.

Sterotypes that have been engineered and given life for decades (at least 2) we're used against an innocent child to smear his image and reputation.

You find these hyper-sterotypes in "CAC" owned black entertainment.

Here you have a white owned culture in black face being used as a tool by a white owned news medium to smear and innocent child's reputation

The shepeople who are easily conditioned and program predictably respond to those images.


I see a lot of you are giving historical contexts to racism existing before hip hop. I understand that brothers and sisters but these sterotypes post Emmit Till didn't exist before and directly after the civil rights movement didn't exist in this fashion.

Before Emmitt whites preferred to pain their faces blac

We had a CAC created sambo who was shucking and jiving and waiting watermelon

However, the reality of post Emmitt and the civil rights movement told a different story.

We were actually a POWERFUL/STRONG Militant people. You saw that seep into the foundation of the internal fabric of what was once pure art (hip hop) at it's inception.


So technically you're right. Racism towards blacks existed before hip hop but it was framed differently.

Our enemies viewed us an united/educated threat

Today we're a passive non threatening consumer who will shuck and jive for the right record deal.

 

[Scientific Playa]

didn't read all the thread, pardon if already posted

Hip-Hop Moves as Strong Force for Michael Brown
NEW YORK — Aug 30, 2014, 12:01 AM ET
By MESFIN FEKADU AP Music Writer

Rappers are making their voices heard in song and on the ground in Ferguson, Missouri, in the wake of Michael Brown's shooting death, channeling hip-hop's earlier roots when the genre worked as a voice for the oppressed and spoke out against injustice.

"It's really important to see hip-hop's role of being some grown-ups and doing some really stand-up, grown-up stuff," Public Enemy's Chuck D, one of rap's most powerful voices, said in a recent interview. "These people have actually stood up ... and that has to be saluted."

The Rock and Roll Hall of Famer said he's impressed with rappers such as J. Cole, who released a heartaching, tearful song called "Be Free" inspired by Brown, the unarmed 18-year-old who was shot to death by a Ferguson officer on Aug. 9.

Others in rap also have lifted their voices: Talib Kweli, like J. Cole, marched in Ferguson and spoke out about injustice; David Banner appeared on CNN; Nelly started a scholarship for teens in honor of Brown; and Lauryn Hill dedicated her song "Black Rage" — which uses some of Rodgers and Hammerstein's "My Favorite Things" — to the Ferguson community.

"When the dogs bite, when the beatings, when I'm feeling sad I simply remember all these kinds of things and then I don't feel so bad," she sings.

The largest hip-hop gesture for Brown, who was an aspiring rapper, came Wednesday when the Game released the song "Don't Shoot," in which he's joined by all-stars like Diddy, Rick Ross and 2 Chainz, among others. Sales from the song will benefit the Mike Brown Memorial Fund on GoFundMe, which has raised nearly $300,000 in two weeks.

"I wanted to do my part in bringing awareness to it, so that at the end of the day that I can sleep well knowing that I used my voice correctly," the Game said in an interview Thursday.

Other black entertainers have spoken out including Kerry Washington, Jesse Williams and Spike Lee, who attended Brown's funeral on Monday. At a concert last week where he performed Marvin Gaye's seminal "What's Going On?" at the Hollywood Bowl, John Legend wore a shirt that said "don't shoot."

While a number of members of the rap community have come out in support of Ferguson — including Russell Simmons, Killer Mike, Young Jeezy and Wiz Khalifa — others have wondered if hip-hop's most prolific and popular stars will chime in, from Jay Z to Pharrell to Kanye West to Lil Wayne.

"I don't believe everyone has a role for this, and I also don't believe quantity takes over as quality. I think we have a quality combination in there," Chuck D said.

Though hip-hop has been criticized for glorifying sex and violence, its musicians have a history of standing up against perceived injustice, especially in the genre's early years, with songs like "Fight the Power" and "The Message." A more recent example came after Trayvon Martin's death in 2012.

Last week, T.I. released the song "New National Anthem," which he wrote after the July 2013 acquittal of George Zimmerman in the killing of 17-year-old Martin. He says he hopes to start a dialogue between the community, city leaders and police.

"This is not to divide race, color, generation, region. This is not to incite or encourage people to go against to the police. This is to bring about change by way of creating awareness of the current status in America in these inner city areas for our young black men and young black people," the rapper said in a recent interview.

T.I. said songs like his and J. Cole's can serve as a voice for those who don't have a platform like famous rappers.

"We are the voice for those without a voice," he said. "Our messages reach the ears of people that most common men in America can't reach, and I think that has to be used to the advantage and the greater good of the masses."

———

AP Entertainment Writer Ryan Pearson contributed to this report.

———

Follow Mesfin Fekadu at twitter.com/MusicMesfin

 

[10:31]

Case in point,

William Roberts gets into deep water with one of his corporate sponsors over his lyric (which had been said by other artists BOTH blk/white) which spawns a fauxed protest which ends with the formal release from the legal binding agreement between he and the sponsor


At the time we all chuckled.. Out of all the exaggerated lyrics that come from an artist who barely goes gold (not much influence when assessed from a numbers aspect) you focus on 3-4 bars that in the grand scheme of things is harmless. However, women put enough pressure on the corporate sponsor and they release the end user they employed to market their brand to the urban demographic for their retro rebook releases

Hmmmm


As if they had no idea who they signed to market their brand?

The verbal message sent on the surface is clear.. Those lyrics against women will not be tolerated or else...


The non verbal message is.. All the other exaggerated lyrics that market self hate and destruction toward blacks is ok..


That ^^

That can program a black and white mind to subconsciously devalue black life. We're only going to make a fuss when you say something about rape

But all your other destructive lyrics (usually engineers toward your on own kind) are ok....


"Because that's just what you black people do"?


No sir.. In the grand scheme of things hip hop is a tool being used directly by white supremacist media as propaganda to condition people's minds on how to frame a race.

Why is it in black face?

 

[10:31]

didn't read all the thread, pardon if already posted

Hip-Hop Moves as Strong Force for Michael Brown
NEW YORK — Aug 30, 2014, 12:01 AM ET
By MESFIN FEKADU AP Music Writer

Rappers are making their voices heard in song and on the ground in Ferguson, Missouri, in the wake of Michael Brown's shooting death, channeling hip-hop's earlier roots when the genre worked as a voice for the oppressed and spoke out against injustice.

"It's really important to see hip-hop's role of being some grown-ups and doing some really stand-up, grown-up stuff," Public Enemy's Chuck D, one of rap's most powerful voices, said in a recent interview. "These people have actually stood up ... and that has to be saluted."

The Rock and Roll Hall of Famer said he's impressed with rappers such as J. Cole, who released a heartaching, tearful song called "Be Free" inspired by Brown, the unarmed 18-year-old who was shot to death by a Ferguson officer on Aug. 9.

Others in rap also have lifted their voices: Talib Kweli, like J. Cole, marched in Ferguson and spoke out about injustice; David Banner appeared on CNN; Nelly started a scholarship for teens in honor of Brown; and Lauryn Hill dedicated her song "Black Rage" — which uses some of Rodgers and Hammerstein's "My Favorite Things" — to the Ferguson community.

"When the dogs bite, when the beatings, when I'm feeling sad I simply remember all these kinds of things and then I don't feel so bad," she sings.

The largest hip-hop gesture for Brown, who was an aspiring rapper, came Wednesday when the Game released the song "Don't Shoot," in which he's joined by all-stars like Diddy, Rick Ross and 2 Chainz, among others. Sales from the song will benefit the Mike Brown Memorial Fund on GoFundMe, which has raised nearly $300,000 in two weeks.

"I wanted to do my part in bringing awareness to it, so that at the end of the day that I can sleep well knowing that I used my voice correctly," the Game said in an interview Thursday.

Other black entertainers have spoken out including Kerry Washington, Jesse Williams and Spike Lee, who attended Brown's funeral on Monday. At a concert last week where he performed Marvin Gaye's seminal "What's Going On?" at the Hollywood Bowl, John Legend wore a shirt that said "don't shoot."

While a number of members of the rap community have come out in support of Ferguson — including Russell Simmons, Killer Mike, Young Jeezy and Wiz Khalifa — others have wondered if hip-hop's most prolific and popular stars will chime in, from Jay Z to Pharrell to Kanye West to Lil Wayne.

"I don't believe everyone has a role for this, and I also don't believe quantity takes over as quality. I think we have a quality combination in there," Chuck D said.

Though hip-hop has been criticized for glorifying sex and violence, its musicians have a history of standing up against perceived injustice, especially in the genre's early years, with songs like "Fight the Power" and "The Message." A more recent example came after Trayvon Martin's death in 2012.

Last week, T.I. released the song "New National Anthem," which he wrote after the July 2013 acquittal of George Zimmerman in the killing of 17-year-old Martin. He says he hopes to start a dialogue between the community, city leaders and police.

"This is not to divide race, color, generation, region. This is not to incite or encourage people to go against to the police. This is to bring about change by way of creating awareness of the current status in America in these inner city areas for our young black men and young black people," the rapper said in a recent interview.

T.I. said songs like his and J. Cole's can serve as a voice for those who don't have a platform like famous rappers.

"We are the voice for those without a voice," he said. "Our messages reach the ears of people that most common men in America can't reach, and I think that has to be used to the advantage and the greater good of the masses."

———

AP Entertainment Writer Ryan Pearson contributed to this report.

———

Follow Mesfin Fekadu at twitter.com/MusicMesfin

Read the first post fam

Focus isn't the artist

 

[10:31]

Another example

The gatekeepers understand the impact these negative vibrations have on the human psyche


The game


The same game that just dropped the mike brown tribute ( I applaud the effort and I hope the proceeds raise more money than Darren Wilson's fund) song


Had his red nation record (from his red album) used to hype up (form of conditioning) Navy seals as they hunted and successfully killed Osama Bin Laden..



The impact the destruction can have is undeniable. The CAC-enlightened ones who own understand this..


Why use it against us and construct it to appear as us?

White is so frightening about an educated black population?

What do you think entertainment would look like if we owned it? Those of us with a collective knowledge of self told our story without the white hand in the shadow?

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

Mike Brown didn't have shyt to do with music. Hip-hop itself is just rolling with the times. The following generation or younger siblings are just freaking retards.

 

[UltimateSource]

Like it says in the bible the world and the things of the world are evil. Friendship with the world is enmity with God. These rappers that are so popular are actually demons. Drug dealer drug dealer trap boy drug dealer whore monger shameless woman murderer homosexuals homosexeual murderer drug dealer liar. This is the aristocracy of hip hop and the voice and representation of black America today? Sadly it is. Hip hop should be fukkin banned for the way it's marketed to children. It's no less dangerous for a 5 year old to be exposed to violent profane lyrics about drugs sex and killing than 2nd hand smoke or Joe fukkin Camel These homosexuals and scantily clad whores and drugged out ambassadors of hip hop, (the same ones you have been hearing on the radio everyday for years) were SET UP by corporations, not voted in by people's request. They're demons on parade everyday selling you the same filth and death or jail culture blasting out the speakers of your local radio station. No Fcc violations when your 9 year old daughter accidentally hears "Anaconda" for the first time. In short, no positive role models AT ALL in the largest influencing facet of black culture, that is hip hop. Not just no role models, TOTAL fukkING SCUMBAGS in positions to have global influence on the eyes minds and ears of the black psyche. God help us all.

 

[Versa]

I listen to "conscious/positive" rap so none of the recent happenings has made me like dislike hip hop. The circle of artists I listen to from the genre is small to begin with. KRIT, Cole, Lupe, Wale, Budden, Kendrick, Joey badass, etc.

 

[The Electric Lady]

I'm just surprised it took ya'll so long to see this. Yet a lot of you will listening and supporting this culture.

 

[King Biko]

Would love for the CACs who post here to chime in (interesting to see how you guys feel)



In the wake of what happened to Mike Brown (Eric Garner) and still digesting the aftermath of Trayvon Martin the allure of hip hop as beginning to disinterest me.

I'm 31 and for the first time in my adult life I'm completely conscious/aware of the impact the images in the art have on the world. The youth movement that used to promote partying and strategic rebellion has devolved into a brainless animalistic genre that perpetuaes sterotypes.

Over and over and over

Is anyone else feeling a little jaded post Mike Brown?


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Hip hop can have the same positive impact that it has negative if the people who don't like the negative don't just turn their backs and support the positive, that's how you create a balance. All of the way you are feeling are the fans fault. The execs only care about money so if money is being spent for positive shyt the labels will promote it. That's what the people who are "maturing" fail to realize, y'all just up and blame the hip hop culture which is an immature thing instead of doing what you can to show what's good in it.

With all that being said I present to you @Cbanks36 what real hip hop should sound like, the stuff y'all refuse to support but want a "change"

http://www.datpiff.com/Biko-A-King-Before-The-Glory-mixtape.619214.html

 

[The Electric Lady]

People who want mainstream Hip Hop to have uplifting, powerful music are going to die holding their breath. It's like asking the news to only report on good things. That's not how it works. At least until everyone who is TRULY and REALLY upset with Hip Hop as it is starts supporting underground artists and ones who really speak on things they want to hear. I understand that music can influence people but do you blame the music or the parents? All of us here were raised on Hip Hop and many of the people I talk to are good, stand up, community chancing type peoples.

You say this and yet r&b suffers a similar fate to hip hop. A lot of the current top r&b artists are thugged out, like Chris Brown, or not something worth aspiring to, like Rihanna. If you want ANY source of uplifting - or fukk, just NORMAL- black music, you have very few options. Not all of us black people like hip hop, or want to continue listening to hip hop. I'd also like a little more variety than r&b as an alternative. Since there aren't really any alternatives, and rap is the face of black music curently, it carries the burden of expressing the full black experience and not a myopic pit of negativity and corporatism that rap embraces. We don't have much media that speaks for us, and it sure as fukk ain't the music anymore, so where do we go? Face it; black music is dog shyt in 2014. You can pretend like positive rap being a thing isn't going to happen due to the undercurrents of our culture, but I feel like it's an excuse.

 

[The Electric Lady]

I love how many of you say it's not our peoples fault and that we should blame the cac corporations when it was our people who sold our culture to the cac corporations to begin with. Face it, our people sold out.

 

[GhettoNintendo]

you should be more concerned with police brutality instead of bashing hip-hop on a hip-hop forum you piece of shyt

 

[deaddd]

I respect where the OP is coming from so I'll keep it respectful. With all due respect CACS don't need our help to be racist. Hip Hop didn't exist (in this form) in the 70's when they killed the Black Panthers. It didn't exist in the 60's when all the civil rights leaders and freedom fighters were getting assassinated, water hosed, and having dogs sicked on them. It didn't exist during Reconstruction and all the race riots in the early 20's.

What were the citizens of Oklahoma listening to when demonic white people bombed (yes bombed) Black Wall Street to the ground?

It's true that current so called Hip Hop is pure garbage for the most part, but don't be brainwashed by the media and scumbag trolls on the internet. CACS perfected this system of racism that exploits, murders, and then blames the victims long ago. It's what makes them who they are.

Peace

"With all due respect CACS don't need our help to be racist."

Dumbest thing I've ever fukking read.

You can't generalize an entire group of people and then claim them guilty and bad for the very same thing.