Post Mike Brown: Hip Hop doesn't feel right to me anymore

[10:31]

Man , shut up

You have been on my nerves througout the entire mike brown ordeal

For the younger brothers who lurk and post here and the CACs who pose as brothers

Brief overview of what white supremacy (a term that we're almost using loosely) means or can be chalked up too

The overall goal is to make Africans (especially the displaced African [AA] ) ineffective and irresponsible

This is done by

- making us appear frivolous

- encourage self hate (subconsciously and consciously)

- lower the esteem of our people as a collective

- keeping us divided


These techniques have been embedded in the systems structure so that now the behaviors are on autopilot. They can literally pick who they want from our community to exploit and carry out the agenda using those techniques I listed above. ^

They know blacks as a collective don't value power.

Most value money and fame. The CAC system is designed to exploit us and they have the resources to feed what they have designed us to lack.

This is why rappers can't speak out lol. Their money is worthless of they try and use it against the system.

The systems biggest tool is the media. It uses those techniques I listed 24 / 7

It makes it very hard to counter.


Now before you respond of dap me think about what you've seen in Ferguson and how those techniques have been applied.



I was in the locker room dropping jewels like this ^..

I wasn't promoting brainless violence against those criminal police

 

[10:31]

Actually I do see what you're saying, because around 12 years ago I moved out to the 'burbs.

I haven't run into any hard core racists or anything like that but most of these people have zero interaction with black people, so everything they learn is from pop culture

Now, if all that negative shyt didn't exist, these people might still have a negative opinion about black people. But all that shyt existing definitely don't help.

Most of it is either fear of the unknown, or just pure human laziness.

Fred.

Exactly Fred..

Respect breh.. Respect

 

[PhonZhi]

@hexagram23


It's a direct correlation.


The hip hop industry keeps the stereotypes alive. The masses are easily conditioned by these images.

Images of destruction. Millions of dollars made off of images of destruction.

Fam... Direct correlation

As humans we're already born with natural prejudice.

yep. we constantly call ourselves "nikkas' and the hottest rapper out calls himself "Young Thug" how can we get mad if a white person refers to us as such??

 

[Rapmastermind]

What I find funny is everyone blames "HIP HOP" and goes after the "BLACK" artist but no talk of all the White and Jewish executives that are making the decisions. Ironic. Anyways to the OP point. I can't "Outgrow" Hip Hop cause I am the Hip Hop Generation. It's been here my whole life. The difference is I find myself digging the crates and revisiting Hip Hop from the 80's and 90's and soaking up things I missed. Hip Hop is many things so whatever negative "Perception" some think it brings on blacks, I just call it Rebel music. The spirit of Bob Marley if you get what I'm saying. The biggest issue with this era is there is ZERO Balance. I laugh at all these kids today think Older Hip Hop fans are salty when the reality is these new rap fans don't know what balance is.

No Female rappers outside of Nicki. No real Conscious emcees spitting. There is just no diveristy. Damn near everyone sounds the same. As for our "Image". Hip Hop doesn't represent all Black People as much as Country represents all white people. There are many different spectrum to the Black race as with any race. It's just because of racism, others will take the negative stereotypes and paint all blacks with one brush. Trayvon was the perfect example of this. Hip Hop isn't to blame. Atleast the Hip Hop I grew up on cause there was balance and a message.

Also at the end of the day it's entertainment. The bottom line the "Hip Hop" response for Mike Brown hasn't been that great to me. I feel like 80's and 90's Hip Hop were more involved in the racial issues and actually gave Hip Hop a voice. I can't say that for today's music. So I agree with the O/P. Yes Hip Hop doesn't feel right cause we lost ourselves somewhere. I think this is why Jay or NaS can grow and flourish in this era cause people long for Hip Hop of the past. So Yes I will still defend Hip Hop in Debates with people. I just won't defend how corporate america has turned it into some type of formula and made it less organic.

But that Real Hip Hop Music is food to your soul. Someone did a thread about the song "Method Man". I actually hadn't listened to it in awhile. I mean I feel like I heard it a million times. But when I listened to it recently something hit me. It was 20 years later and listen to how it sounded. It was like YES, THIS IS HIP HOP. So this era can't be defended but the reality is there's to much amazing legendary classic material to ever get tired of hip hop hopefully they don't destroy it further but it's on life support.

 

[Vice Gripp]

Would love for the CACs who post here to chime in (interesting to see how you guys feel)



In the wake of what happened to Mike Brown (Eric Garner) and still digesting the aftermath of Trayvon Martin the allure of hip hop as beginning to disinterest me.

I'm 31 and for the first time in my adult life I'm completely conscious/aware of the impact the images in the art have on the world. The youth movement that used to promote partying and strategic rebellion has devolved into a brainless animalistic genre that perpetuaes sterotypes.

Over and over and over

Is anyone else feeling a little jaded post Mike Brown?

Firstly, I will address this CAC ish I been seeing this board is on. I've used my methods of deduction to tell me that it stands for 'cracka ass crackas' and is pretty self defeating when you are making a post that should be embedded with sentiments of unity. That shyt is mad wack, especially ignorant, and non-productive.

How I feel about not just Mike Brown, Eric Garner, and the over-load of excessive force videos that have been flooding my FB feed the past months... it makes me both sad and happy. Sad that these terrible things are happening; happy that they are being exposed to the masses at such a massive rate. My stance on cops is they should get a taste of their own medicine, and should know what it feels like to be not afforded due process in court with a chance to hire an attorney and defend yourself but they should be suffering the same as the people they hold under their boots.

I don't have to go into my personal experiences with law enforcement, cuz I've had way more run ins with pigs than I care for. This country was built off free labor and it continues in today's America through the for-profit prison system. Cops are not held accountable and there are almost NO good cops. If there were any good cops they'd be arresting these fukk boys who are stressin people on the daily for no reason. #fukkThePolice and #fukkTheSystem.

 

[Petty Pendergrass]

Hip hop is not music its a culture... Let that marinate for a few.. Once money was involved it has always been sold to the highest low IQ bidder. Am I upset that more "rappers" speak up for the injustice, most certainly. That's neither here nor there. What I don't like is that the white race loves to judge us based on a few. Think about this for a minute, there are literally tons of white artists in different genres that promote some really sick things, way worse than selling a few keys or'making it rain". No judge them... They say things like, "Hey, they are expressing their individuality". The black man is always judged as a whole. Many white people love to be something that most black men aren't even. We create the music but who are the buyers? We can sit here and blame hip hop but in reality it's far more reaching.. I am in my 30's and can't remember when we as black people have been judged as individuals. Even when Chuck D was preaching from the mountain this very thing, a blind eye was turned... Every musical genre is and always be for sale.. Don't look to music for salvation.... Look to your mother, brother, father, sister for that.. I won't blame others for selling their soul to the highest bidder. I, we need to look to why we are not looked at like a single person, like other groups.... That is and will always be the bigger issue.....


Sorry for the grammatical errors as I am typing from my phone..

One love..

 

[mr.africa]

Hiphop is fine. It's funny how people are running to blame hiphop for every ill within the black community as if alot of the problems weren't here before hiphop.

THIS

 

[Vice Gripp]

This is a HUMAN issue. The issue is we look at each other and do not see our own reflections. We aren't as evolved as we lead ourselves to believe; especially in masses.

 

[definition]

Would love for the CACs who post here to chime in (interesting to see how you guys feel)



Is anyone else feeling a little jaded post Mike Brown?

CAC here (white person, anyway). I'm not mad at hip-hop ... but i think it is increasingly ridiculous that people try to blame a music/culture for their irrational fear of black people. Hip-hop has been the most popular music (or near the top) for almost two decades (a fukking GENERATION), and my white brethren are still scared of hoodies? It doesn't make sense.

Hip-hop is not to blame. It may not necessarily help, so I get your point. But, white people feared black people before rap music, and I hope they (we) don't fear black people after it's gone.

To be honest, I'm jaded with the world, and have been. I'm not jaded with hip-hop. People's irrational reaction to an art form (especially relative to their reactions toward similarly violent movies, etc) does not make me angry with the art form -- it makes me angry with people.

Of course, if you're asking if I'm jaded with hip-hop because it's less good than it once was, I'd have to admit that i am. But it has nothing to do with john q public's perception that black people are scary "thugs." That's not hip-hop's fault.

 

[10:31]

Ok to the white brethren


Why do you think your elders enjoy perpetuating the lowest form of African culture?

Why do your elders enjoy enhancing and marketing images they are "afraid" of?

I appreciate your feedback back most whites don't internalize what they know to be just entertainment.

The negative images that lower a major piece of the black demographic are perceived SOLEY by whites as just entertainment

But


They lower our self esteem.. Ignorant children turn around emulate the trash they see. They give life to tired stereotypes that ultimately keep this system or industry in place.

So please my white brethren speak on this. How do you all sleep at night knowing and understanding the direct and indirect impact it has on the souls and psyche of black folks?


Please less focus on the art and more on the owners. I want your honest view

 

[Vice Gripp]

Ok to the white brethren


Also why do you think you're elders enjoy perpetuating the lowest form of African culture?

Why do your elders enjoy enhancing and marketing images they are "afraid" of?

I appreciate your feedback back most whites don't internalize what they know to be just entertainment. The negative images that lower a major piece of a demographic are for your entertainment

But


They lower our self esteem.. Ignorant children turn around emulate the trash they see. They give life to tired stereotypes that ultimately keep this system or industry in place.

So please my white brethren speak on this. How do you all sleep at night knowing and understanding the direct and indirect impact it has on us?


Please less focus on the art and more on the owners. I want your honest view

Why are these artists making this kind of music and selling their souls for money??

That should be your real question. If every one held their integrity as high as their personal wealth, then this topic would be null and void. The consumer has the power of their spending. If you support positive, conscious, talented artists who put out original, intellectual music, then you start shifting the power in the other direction. You answered your own question in your comment. The powers that be want to keep people low on the totem pole. Like one of my influences George Carlin said "They don't want a nation of critical thinkers; they want people just smart enough to run the machines but dumb enough not to question how hard they are being fukked by the upper class".

 

[10:31]

Why are these artists making this kind of music and selling their souls for money??

That should be your real question. If every one held their integrity as high as their personal wealth, then this topic would be null and void. The consumer has the power of their spending. If you support positive, conscious, talented artists who put out original, intellectual music, then you start shifting the power in the other direction. You answered your own question in your comment. The powers that be want to keep people low on the totem pole. Like one of my influences George Carlin said "They don't want a nation of critical thinkers; they want people just smart enough to run the machines but dumb enough not to question how hard they are being fukked by the upper class".

These artists ( and we're generalizing ) but follow me..

These artists are poor. Their socioeconomic circumstances usually dictate why they "sell their soul" without reading the slave deal they sign.

A lot of us didn't have responsible parents who taught us to value education or understand asserts and the power of money. The difference between wealth and riches or riches and power.


Federal and state Legislation gave people in our socioeconomic circumstances the short end of the stick.

Cointel Pro infiltrated our united fronts against the system and broke us down/divided us from the inside much like the agent provocateurs that infiltrated the peaceful Mike Brown protests and taunted the police generating a violent response from the police on innocent people practicing their constitutional right to assemble

Yet we're to blame?

Legislation from Reagan and Clinton broke down and even more vulnerable black community.

Reagan's legislation let crack in the country (then he decided to fix a problem he started with a fauxed drug war that locked black men up by packs and droves)

Clinton reformed Welfare and gave women incentives to get more money from the government if men weren't in the home.

Yet you ask us why we sell out for a dollar ?

We had our own community within the nation .. We had two

Your elders and ancestors burned one down

And blew one up..


And you ask why?


We don't come from a true position of power in a capitalist society. If you came from these socioeconomic circumstances.... In this country


You would think about putting your white soul up for sale too..



That's why I'm not focusing on the artists. Most of them are ignorant end users

 

[Primetime21]

hip hop is stale

 

[Beerus]

We need groups like NWA and public enemy to rise up and be relevant again.
shyt nikkas like lil wayne or Drake(maybe not Drake cuz he's Canadian and not from the US) and the big name rappers especially the US ones gotta make reccords addressing this shyt to cause shyt to pop off like back in the 90s.
I'm saying them because they are big name rappers and exert the most influence at the moment.

 

[SunZoo]

I see you breh, i'll post when I can collect my thoughts and kinda sit them on the table.