Poll: is Texas the south?

[AlbertPullhoez]

Texas is west, i expect to see house wives with guns, cowboy hats and cowboy boots. Tex-Mex food

Georgia is south i expect to see grits and Okra, Confederate flags and Statues of Robert E Lee.

You will see that same shyt in Texas

 

[Luke Cage]

You will see that same shyt in Texas

Aint nobody wearing cowboy boots in GA.

 

[Biscayne]

This is all interesting and informative, but it doesn't address my point of contention which was a comparison of the southerness of HOUSTON to ATLANTA. Not Texas to Georgia or Atlanta.

I even said many times on here that GA is clearly more southern than TX, full stop. But that HOUSTON, especially BLACK Houston is more southern than Atl or black atl. Anything else is a non sequitur.

The entire article you quote seems to deal with Dallas.

The desouthernization process in ATL had tangible effects on the culture there, that you wont find happened in Houston.


Country music in Atlanta - Wikipedia

Well. While country music started in the south, it isn't an exclusively Southern Genre. Most of the country out of Texas(including Houston) is more in line with the Country Western variety or even Outlaw Country. Guys like Willie Nelson, ZZ Top(from Houston) and others are different from the country music from back east in Nashville and the bluegrass of East TN and the Appalachians. Areas in the West, like Bakersfield CA, AZ, Oklahoma, TX, have historically bread the Western variety of country music or folksy frontier country music. Houston is the Western end of The South and alot of blues has come out of Houston and East Texas for sure. And Blues is about as Southern as it can get. But Atlanta is every bit as Southern as Houston just by logistics. Every genre that has come out of Atlanta has been definitively Southern, just by virtue of coming from Atlanta. Atlanta is at the crossroads of dixie. Atlanta is where the Deep South meets the Appalachians/Upper South. And while Atlanta receives a boatload of transplants, how is it any different than half of California migrating to Houston? There's quintessentially California chains like In And Out, in Houston now. The ADOS population in Houston is still very in-tune with their roots. And that culture isn't going anywhere. But same can be said about Atlanta. "New South" doesn't mean "No South". I don't see how ATL is less Southern than Houston. I know my boy @Spade has to agree.

Western music is a form of country and hillbilly music composed by and about the people who settled and worked throughout the Western United Statesand Western Canada. Western music celebrates the lifestyle of the cowboy on the open ranges, Rocky Mountains, and prairies of Western North America. Directly related musically to old English, Irish, Scottish, and folk ballads, also the Mexican folk music of Northern Mexicoand Southwestern United Statesinfluenced the development of this genre, particularly corrido, ranchera, New Mexico and Tejano. Western music shares similar roots with Appalachian music (also called country or hillbilly music), which developed around the same time throughout Appalachia and the Appalachian Mountains. The music industry of the mid-20th century grouped the two genres together under the banner of country and western music, later amalgamated into the modern name, country music.

Western music (North America) - Wikipedia

 

[Biscayne]

You will see that same shyt in Texas

You'll see grits, okra, and all of that in Texas. But you'll see less of that the further West you travel in Texas. Houston and East Texas are still very, very southern, to the point that Houston feels culturally "set apart" from the other big cities in Texas. But even then, Houston is very culturally "Texan" in the way they elevate "Texas Pride" above an overall "Southern Pride". It's quite interesting.

 

[Spade]

Well. While country music started in the south, it isn't an exclusively Southern Genre. Most of the country out of Texas(including Houston) is more in line with the Country Western variety or even Outlaw Country. Guys like Willie Nelson, ZZ Top(from Houston) and others are different from the country music from back east in Nashville and the bluegrass of East TN and the Appalachians. Areas in the West, like Bakersfield CA, AZ, Oklahoma, TX, have historically bread the Western variety of country music or folksy frontier country music. Houston is the Western end of The South and alot of blues has come out of Houston and East Texas for sure. And Blues is about as Southern as it can get. But Atlanta is every bit as Southern as Houston just by logistics. Every genre that has come out of Atlanta has been definitively Southern, just by virtue of coming from Atlanta. Atlanta is at the crossroads of dixie. Atlanta is where the Deep South meets the Appalachians/Upper South. And while Atlanta receives a boatload of transplants, how is it any different than half of California migrating to Houston? There's quintessentially California chains like In And Out, in Houston now. The ADOS population in Houston is still very in-tune with their roots. And that culture isn't going anywhere. But same can be said about Atlanta. "New South" doesn't mean "No South". I don't see how ATL is less Southern than Houston. I know my boy @Spade has to agree.

Western music is a form of country and hillbilly music composed by and about the people who settled and worked throughout the Western United Statesand Western Canada. Western music celebrates the lifestyle of the cowboy on the open ranges, Rocky Mountains, and prairies of Western North America. Directly related musically to old English, Irish, Scottish, and folk ballads, also the Mexican folk music of Northern Mexicoand Southwestern United Statesinfluenced the development of this genre, particularly corrido, ranchera, New Mexico and Tejano. Western music shares similar roots with Appalachian music (also called country or hillbilly music), which developed around the same time throughout Appalachia and the Appalachian Mountains. The music industry of the mid-20th century grouped the two genres together under the banner of country and western music, later amalgamated into the modern name, country music.

Western music (North America) - Wikipedia

Which I absolutely do. Houston is very southern. But to say it outsoutherns Atlanta is a stretch. Atlanta is surrounded by the South for hundreds of miles. Houston is the western end of the South in a transition state topographically and culturally where people will say they are Texans before they are Southern or Western.

 

[Spade]

in my view. Houston nikkas are very laid bacc and cool nikkas to be around. They fucc wit out of towners though they can have an issue beefing with each other alot. Not overly violent. Put money before killing. Hustlers. I guess something like Queens nikkas or Harlem nikkas. Maybe a mixture.


Dallas and to an extent Fort worth nikkas are different almost the opposite. Dallas nikkas are alot more upbeat. Very grimey sneaky and untrustworthy. A very territorial city. You can live on the next street over literally but since it's a different zip code or different neighborhood technically nikkas will not fucc wit you. Historically more violent than any other big city in Texas. Alot of legendary jack boys and robbers. So I guess you can compatriot to a Brooklyn, specifically a Brownsville or eny

Damn this is on point regarding both cities. For the past 20 years, Dallas has actually had a higher crime rate than Houston as well.

 

[GoAggieGo.]

Just went through this thread, and saw where cowboys, cowboy hats, and the cowboy culture was looked at as a Texas thing and not practiced anywhere else in the South. Here’s some links that show different:
Meet the Cowboys and Cowgirls of the Rural Mississippi Delta

https://www.bbc.com/reel/video/p07qcdvs/the-black-cowboys-of-the-mississippi-delta

 

[Supper]

Well. While country music started in the south, it isn't an exclusively Southern Genre. Most of the country out of Texas(including Houston) is more in line with the Country Western variety or even Outlaw Country. Guys like Willie Nelson, ZZ Top(from Houston) and others are different from the country music from back east in Nashville and the bluegrass of East TN and the Appalachians. Areas in the West, like Bakersfield CA, AZ, Oklahoma, TX, have historically bread the Western variety of country music or folksy frontier country music. Houston is the Western end of The South and alot of blues has come out of Houston and East Texas for sure. And Blues is about as Southern as it can get. But Atlanta is every bit as Southern as Houston just by logistics. Every genre that has come out of Atlanta has been definitively Southern, just by virtue of coming from Atlanta. Atlanta is at the crossroads of dixie. Atlanta is where the Deep South meets the Appalachians/Upper South. And while Atlanta receives a boatload of transplants, how is it any different than half of California migrating to Houston? There's quintessentially California chains like In And Out, in Houston now. The ADOS population in Houston is still very in-tune with their roots. And that culture isn't going anywhere. But same can be said about Atlanta. "New South" doesn't mean "No South". I don't see how ATL is less Southern than Houston. I know my boy @Spade has to agree.

Western music is a form of country and hillbilly music composed by and about the people who settled and worked throughout the Western United Statesand Western Canada. Western music celebrates the lifestyle of the cowboy on the open ranges, Rocky Mountains, and prairies of Western North America. Directly related musically to old English, Irish, Scottish, and folk ballads, also the Mexican folk music of Northern Mexicoand Southwestern United Statesinfluenced the development of this genre, particularly corrido, ranchera, New Mexico and Tejano. Western music shares similar roots with Appalachian music (also called country or hillbilly music), which developed around the same time throughout Appalachia and the Appalachian Mountains. The music industry of the mid-20th century grouped the two genres together under the banner of country and western music, later amalgamated into the modern name, country music.

Western music (North America) - Wikipedia

lol Bro, ZZ Top is a straight up blues-rock musician influenced by the music of mostly black blues artist, especially Texas blues artist like Lightnin Hopkins and Albert Collins who both played out of Houston, not a country musician whatsoever. Dude even takes influence from local Houston rap. Iono who told you he was a country musician.

In and Out ain't actually in Houston. It's in the the suburbs of Katy and Stafford, where yes, a lot of transplants live. Just like Atlanta suburbs have NY based restaurant chains like Ruby Tuesdays.

Having a strong state identity and pride doesn't take away from the southerness of the place. People from Louisiana, especially southern Louisiana, have a very strong state identity, and'll holla Louisiana before being southern. And people from New Orleans?!?!? They might as well be in a completely diff country according to them. They're New Orleanians first and foremost before anything.

Even in the whitest areas of New Orleans, they don't be flying no confederate flags. They fly that Gold and Black crescent symbol looking thing and rep those gold, purple, and green mardi gras colors.

Yet and still none of them are under any illusion about not being louisianians or southern nor is anyone else. Same thing in Texas. Our state has a unique history that we're proud of(that black texans were very much apart of), but they doesn't make us any less southern.

And while Texas ain't as southern as GA overall. Don't underestimate it's southernness as it's still home to more historic all black freedmens towns and settlements than any other state. Houston proper is home to at least 11 of these which were built from the ground up by freed slaves and their children, and are lined with homes built in the traditional AA shotgun style. I know Atlanta has some, but I'm pretty sure they don't have as many.

And like I said the vast majority of black transplants in Houston are from other places in the south mostly Louisiana and other places in Texas just like it's always been. California may be the origin of most of the NORTHERN black transplants, but not overall.

 

[K.O.N.Y]

@Supper isnt a significant portion of the black population non-aados or more specifically west african-Nigerian?

 

[ViShawn]

Nope. Houston and parts of East Texas I would say are.

 

[Supper]

Just went through this thread, and saw where cowboys, cowboy hats, and the cowboy culture was looked at as a Texas thing and not practiced anywhere else in the South. Here’s some links that show different:
Meet the Cowboys and Cowgirls of the Rural Mississippi Delta

https://www.bbc.com/reel/video/p07qcdvs/the-black-cowboys-of-the-mississippi-delta

Like I've said before the black cowboy culture in Texas is derived from the Carolina drover tradition + Florida Cracker/Seminole + SW Louisiana cattle driving industry.

The black seminoles represent a CLEAR direct line between FL & TX black cowboys. Many of our famous black texas cowboys were black seminoles, like Bill Kelley.

 

[Supper]

@Supper isnt a significant portion of the black population non-aados or more specifically west african-Nigerian?

Yeah, Houston has a large Nigerian pop. But, that's about the only significant non-ados black pop in Houston.

Though, that is starting to change as the city continues to grow, hence why it's important for AADOS in Houston to assert our heritage and cultural identity and make our ethnic boundaries clear to not repeat the mistakes of allowing it's erasure and appropriation via flattened black identity that happened with the AA communities of the tri state and southern FL

I think adopting that flag you have in your av would be a good start.

 

[K.O.N.Y]

Yeah, Houston has a large Nigerian pop. But, that's about the only significant non-ados black pop in Houston.

Though, that is starting to change as the city continues to grow, hence why it's important for AADOS in Houston to assert our heritage and cultural identity and make our ethnic boundaries clear to not repeat the mistakes of allowing it's erasure and appropriation via flattened black identity that happened with the AA communities of the tri state and southern FL

I think adopting that flag you have in your av would be a good start.

As someone from nyc

It is extremely extremely important that you guys do that. Like that should be number 1 on the list. Trust me

Blanket blackness got lot of us moving crazy out here

 

[Spade]

yeah the vast majority of Houston's black population is ados. Non-Ados black population is Nigerian with a scattering from Honduras (2nd or 3rd largest Garifuna population in the US) and Trinidadian. But it's not significant.

As far as the Cowboy thing. I do think people underestimate how much of it is practiced in the other southern states. It's just popularized in Texas more so than the Southeast. They do trail rides in Texas, Louisiana, and Arkansas.

 

[UberEatsDriver]

Yeah, Houston has a large Nigerian pop. But, that's about the only significant non-ados black pop in Houston.

Though, that is starting to change as the city continues to grow, hence why it's important for AADOS in Houston to assert our heritage and cultural identity and make our ethnic boundaries clear to not repeat the mistakes of allowing it's erasure and appropriation via flattened black identity that happened with the AA communities of the tri state and southern FL

I think adopting that flag you have in your av would be a good start.

What a goof! Making up stuff