Pippen Says MJ was “Determined” to prove to young cats he was Larger than Lebron in the Last Dance.

[NoMorePie]

As someone that lived through those 6 chips and even before, when the Bulls couldn't beat the Pistons, Scottie's legacy is complicated. Scottie is a great player, but he and the rest of the Bulls ALWAYS lived in Jordan's shadow. It was always "Michael Jordan and the Jordannaires" instead of the Chicago Bulls and MJ calling the team "his supporting cast" if you are old enough to remember. The team got no respect from the old heads before them, as many of them felt that they weren't a great team, but rather only that they had 1 great player. Scottie was always kind of coming off awkward, soft, bizarre, and saying inflammatory stuff. Scottie got lit up in the 80s by local media saying Chicago was biased in disliking black players, which Jordan denied and brought up how Dave Corzine was booed out the building. Back in the day, there were also rumors in like one of the National Inquirer or Star papers that interviewed a dude that said he was in relationship with Pip and he was closeted. Those rumors would get repeated by opposing players (like the Pistons) also helped play into the fact that he was soft. Scottie played 4 minutes in game 7 1990 against the Pistons which they lost. While he said he had a migraine, many people thought he was just scared, as Mark Aguirre trash talked him about having dudes that would see him outside the old Chicago Stadium. The summer before 1990-1991 him and Jordan "gained muscle mass (you take that however you want)" and came back and swept the Pistons and won the chip, but it was all about MJ. Everybody else on that team were just there in the eyes of the media and fans. When Pip made the Dream Team in 1992, both 'Nique and Mullin could have made an argument they deserved it over him. Many people thought he was just there because MJ wanted him there. All of the Bulls thought they were a real team and although they all respected MJ, they hated him getting ALL the credit from the media, old head players, etc. When JM retired in 1993-1994, Scottie was an MVP candidate, got BJ and Horace to the all star game, was the All Star MVP with the cornrow fat in his head (he never went bald again), but his WORST moment was sitting out in the playoff game in NY. In fairness, MJ should NEVER have spoken on it in the Last Dance, as he wasn't on the team, and really it didn't even have to be in the doc. But again, in fairness, Cartwright was the OG on that team and checked Scottie in the locker room that night, and the team got over it, mainly because he was a loved teammate and they ALL new why Scottie did that, even if it was the absolute wrong time. That's why it never killed his career, because the guys on that team loved him and knew what was up even though he was wrong. Scottie wanted his opportunity to be the man and prove his doubters wrong and Phil gave it to Kukoc, so he pouted. It is what it is. That play sums up Scottie's career, because he was always #2 and never took an opportunity to be a #1 in his prime, and Phil didn't believe in him with the game on the line. So I think that haunts him to this day, as he is a beta dude that tried to be an alpha and came up short, instead of being happy in his role. He always get shyt on when saying "Oh he's Jordan and you get to be the Pippen", like it's an insult. Even at his number retiring ceremony, Phil shytted on him there (look it up). So the Last Dance brought all of that stuff up and even though his words are his, MJ was the lead producer so he blames him for how he looked to the public and the old stuff coming back to light on how he handled things less than admirable. That doc shytted on him, bringing up the 1990 migraine, the 1994 sit out, and the delay of back surgery in 1997-1998. You add Scottie becoming a weedhead, the issues with his wife (which for some reason he will never divorce) and maaaaybe drinking too much, and BOOM.

 

[Remote]

This is sad.

Those Bulls were great. And now they are bickering about legacy at 60 years old.

Ya hate to see it.

The Spurs would never.

 

[Killer Instinct]

Scottie lost his mind a long time ago. It's actually sad to see.


In any case, Undisputed is going to be on fire today.

 

[Chip Skylark]

Why does Pip do this shyt? It seem like every few years he makes some side or sparky comment about Mike but then he'll defend Mike's greatness when a comparison comes up.

The money thing sounds fukked up but he sounds jealous of Mike's spotlight. PIP should be happy the documentary exposed his greatness to a new generation of fans.

Cause Scottie is a straight up bytch!!! That’s why.

 

[Pimp]

Scottie Pippen is overrated. This man scored 10 or under in 3 of 6 games in the FINALS but he wants to talk big.. They should have traded him.. He went to a stacked Houston team and won nothing, went to a stacked Portland team and won nothing..

Utah Jazz at Chicago Bulls Box Score, June 7, 1998 | Basketball-Reference.com

Utah Jazz at Chicago Bulls Box Score, June 12, 1998 | Basketball-Reference.com

Chicago Bulls at Utah Jazz Box Score, June 14, 1998 | Basketball-Reference.com

Played 37 minutes had 3 pts
Houston Rockets at Los Angeles Lakers Box Score, May 11, 1999 | Basketball-Reference.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

Scottie lost his mind a long time ago. It's actually sad to see.


In any case, Undisputed is going to be on fire today.

it might be first up today since its Wednesday
no later than the 3rd topic, Lakers will probably be first, Cowboys second

 

[Ukbrotha]

I have huge respect for Scottie but he's really acting very childish.

 

[THE MACHINE]

He'd be remembered differently if the Blazers closed out the Lakers in '00. He was part of the game 7 massive choke.
Blazer beat the Pacers that year IMO

 

[Joe Sixpack]

He'd be remembered differently if the Blazers closed out the Lakers in '00. He was part of the game 7 massive choke.
Blazer beat the Pacers that year IMO

That Blazers team was fully loaded I still can’t believe they lost that series

 

[etrofllenrod504]

Why does Pip do this shyt? It seem like every few years he makes some side or sparky comment about Mike but then he'll defend Mike's greatness when a comparison comes up.

The money thing sounds fukked up but he sounds jealous of Mike's spotlight. PIP should be happy the documentary exposed his greatness to a new generation of fans.

I don't think he jealous of Mike's spot. I think he's just tired of the media and fan boys acting like Jordan played with bums. That's why Scottie KEEPS talking about the TEAM. He probably feel in that documentary Jordan fed his own ego, instead of keeping it trill and showing the love that's deserved for the team. Because the real is Jordan didn't win shyt without Scottie and those Bulls teams. He didnt win shyt before Phil, Scottie, and those squads. Also he didn't win shyt after. So I can see why Scottie tired of the shyt. You don't win 72 games and the chip because of ONE guy. Especially when the one guy only lead the team in scoring and nothing else.

 

[spliz]

In the eyes of most people who work in basketball, Mike is the GOAT but LeBron is viewed as more or less his historical equal; the lean to Mike is nowhere near as strong as when you get the opinions of fans and players, who are basically MJ Stans who were good enough to play in the big leagues...

Also in the eyes of players who are older than Mike's era (think Kareem, O, etc), these dudes largely don't view Mike as the GOAT, just one of the GOATs, and when they've been asked to choose between he or Bron, they affirm they view them both as relative equals...

As I've said many times before, the Mike is GOAT thing was mandated by Mike and his era peers and the corporations he was in bed with, and the people in charge of most of these conglomerates who say he's the GOAT are largely from his age range. Mike was still viewed as the consensus favorite but was losing steam I popular opinion until The Last Dance, of course it was coordinated to downplay LeBron. Mike works in basketball, so while he has dikkriders on him everywhere he'd be all too aware that most others who work and analyze the sport don't see Bron as an inferior player...

Furthermore there is nothing hard and objective that tells you Bron is inferior, nothing. They had different careers in different eras of the sport that allowed their careers to develop differently, all that 6/6 shyt is good and enhances his case but doesn't really diminish anyone else's. Everybody who won 3+ rings has lost Finals besides Mike and Mikan, it happens...

The resumes and bodies of work are equally strong, and what really bothers the basketball viewing public is we were all told no one would ever come along to match Jordan, no one would ever come along to be as great, then here Bron comes the year he retired for the final time, and you could see from Day One he was different than all the other "Next Jordan's"...

I'll repeat this yet again: I have no problem with a claim of Mike as GOAT in and of itself. He was the strongest claim to it aside from Bron. The issue I have with dudes is those who portray the comparison as Mike miles ahead, when there is literally nothing to validate that whatsoever. I think Bron over Mike because Bron played in a significantly more competitive era and still dominated, and Bron has the greatest postseason resume ever, so I choose Bron but I don't think it's by leaps and bounds, it's marginal...

They are historical equals and pretty clear above anyone else who ever played ball, but I'm not tripping on people who take Mike in and of itself...

Mike is better than Bron. I don’t think they are equals at all.

 

[spliz]

I don't think he jealous of Mike's spot. I think he's just tired of the media and fan boys acting like Jordan played with bums. That's why Scottie KEEPS talking about the TEAM. He probably feel in that documentary Jordan fed his own ego, instead of keeping it trill and showing the love that's deserved for the team. Because the real is Jordan didn't win shyt without Scottie and those Bulls teams. He didnt win shyt before Phil, Scottie, and those squads. Also he didn't win shyt after. So I can see why Scottie tired of the shyt. You don't win 72 games and the chip because of ONE guy. Especially when the one guy only lead the team in scoring and nothing else.

Let’s get it straight here. Them nikkas wouldn’t have done shyt without Jordan. That’s action facts.

 

[Po pimp]

I don't think he jealous of Mike's spot. I think he's just tired of the media and fan boys acting like Jordan played with bums. That's why Scottie KEEPS talking about the TEAM. He probably feel in that documentary Jordan fed his own ego, instead of keeping it trill and showing the love that's deserved for the team. Because the real is Jordan didn't win shyt without Scottie and those Bulls teams. He didnt win shyt before Phil, Scottie, and those squads. Also he didn't win shyt after. So I can see why Scottie tired of the shyt. You don't win 72 games and the chip because of ONE guy. Especially when the one guy only lead the team in scoring and nothing else.

So a 38-40 year old Jordan was supposed to win with that wack ass Wizards roster? They actually were in playoff contention until Jordan got hurt that first season with the Wizards.

 

[hashmander]

I'm sure they didn't see the final edit

when i replied, the topic was about pippen complaining that jordan got paid ($10M) for the doc and they didn't (nothing). final edit doesn't have anything to do you with saying "how much you paying for my time?" if that's your primary motivation.

 

[etrofllenrod504]

So a 38-40 year old Jordan was supposed to win with that wack ass Wizards roster? They actually were in playoff contention until Jordan got hurt that first season with the Wizards.

Man get completely the hell out of here with that bullshyt. Ok so before Pippen was drafted what did Jordan win before then? You can conviently act like Jordan only played in the 6 championship years. Dude was on the wizards HE PLAYED! he played because he felt he could compete, so stop the nonsense.