Pippen just said he could average 40 in this era

[ISO]

The year Mike retired and he was the undisputed #1 guy....remember the Bulls replaced Mike with Pete fukkin Myers. The only other two good players were Horace Grant and a young Kukoc

He put up 22/9/6 with 3 steals a game.....he was getting most of the defensive attention esp on the perimeter...the Bulls had no other good guards or SFs

I agree his jumper was shaky but is it really such a stretch to think he could score an extra 4 points a game esp in a league where offensive stats seems to be inflating. I don't think it is. He shot 32% from 3 which aint great but it's not totally broke either. He could have gotten to 26 pretty easily imo

He should have averaged more than 22 points per game

Yeah it is a stretch to say he’d average 26 points per game

These are the only players averaging 26 per game and up. There are only three guys averaging 30+.

Harden
Giannis
Doncic
Young
Beal
Lillard
Davis

Pippen is an inferior offensive player to all those guys.

32% is below average from 3 and it’s not like he was a volume three point shooter taking them off the dribble.

 

[Ukbrotha]

He’s not averaging 28. Pip was an open court player. You’re not averaging 28 per game with that jumper and half court game.

You can’t just say in this era he’d automatically be a strong half court player and be able to take 10 threes. That’s what some people in here are saying.

I've pulled the numbers out of my ass but I've simply equated 22 average he did as the number 1 option to 25-28 range in current nba.

 

[ISO]

I've pulled the numbers out of my ass but I've simply equated 22 average he did as the number 1 option to 25-28 range in current nba.

Yeah no that’s not how it works

 

[Professor Emeritus]

then also account for the individual systems teams play in those years


‘94 bulls pace of 92

‘19 Rockets pace of 104

having double digit more possessions per game ain’t just ain’t some meaningless quirk of history

now obviously everyone to man has said there’s no way Pippen is dropping 40...but give a 22 point scorer a dozen more possessions and can easily get up to the 27ppg range without even having to for harden’s usage rate being something like 50% more than pip’s and the change in the rules of the game

So we're assuming not only does he play "in this era" but for one of the fastest teams too? That's a cheap way of doing it, because he's implying that other players should be doing the same thing when they ain't playing in D'antoni's system or at the Rocket's pace either.

And I don't get your math. 92 to 104 is just 13% faster (in reality it would be around 100 so just 9% or so). But 22 to 27 would be 23% more scoring. You're doubling the actual effect. EVEN at the Rockets pace, his scoring would only go up to 25ppg, not 27.

And as I pointed out before, defense on jump shooters is better now, not worse. Those threes he was hitting in the 1990s were basically unguarded. What shooters have to do now to get open off the dribble is far more difficult.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Pip's strengths wouldn't even be in his scoring if he played in this era. He should've made it a point that he's basically the prototype forward for today's postionless game.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

When did i lie
The NBA moved the line in 94 i posted 93 stats for a reason u non hooping fakkits
He shot 32 percent without working on a 3 point shot day and night and getting the greenest light of all time.

You're lying AGAIN. This is what you posted:

He averged 22 on 4 3's at 34% a game in 94

Harden is also shooting 34% this year, except hes taking 14 a game

You do the math hating ass nikka

Those are the 94/95 stats, from after they moved the line up. You didn't post the 1993 stats, @CHICAGO was ignorant when he said it and you straight lied twice.

Pippen was a 30% career shooter from the normal 3pt line. It was not a good shot for him. And look at his form, it's not like he's gonna start shooting it great just with more practice either, it's not great form. You can't just give old-school players new skills they didn't even have and then claim they'd be among the best in the league at them.

Imagine klove in this area, you fakkits would be saying he's better than duncan

K-Love is in this era, dumbass. He averages 17ppg and sucks at defense.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

So we're assuming not only does he play "in this era" but for one of the fastest teams too? That's a cheap way of doing it, because he's implying that other players should be doing the same thing when they ain't playing in D'antoni's system or at the Rocket's pace either.

And I don't get your math. 92 to 104 is just 13% faster (in reality it would be around 100 so just 9% or so). But 22 to 27 would be 23% more scoring. You're doubling the actual effect. EVEN at the Rockets pace, his scoring would only go up to 25ppg, not 27.

And as I pointed out before, defense on jump shooters is better now, not worse. Those threes he was hitting in the 1990s were basically unguarded. What shooters have to do now to get open off the dribble is far more difficult.

the whole comparison was started because Pippen was trying to downplay Harden’s scoring explosion...which has a lot to do with, of course, Hardens elite scoring ability...but also the system he plays in, the unprecedented domination of the ball and possessions he has, and the way the modern game is officiated...so why not put Pippen in the same conditions Harden is putting up his numbers? That’s kinda the whole point... Far as how the math break out, if we’re about to quibble over two fukking points a game, then also consider not only are the rockets seeing 12 more possessions per game on average...Harden uses something like 50% more of those possessions than Pippen did (which was also one of pips criticisms)...so accounting for increased pace and just a fraction of movement towards Hardens hogging, Pip averaging 27 isn’t some impossible feat...which is whatever, Cause that’s not even what pip was arguing (he said 40, which is laughable)...but a lot of y’all are going too far the other way

 

[///Vega+++]

No the fcck he wouldn't

 

[Professor Emeritus]

the whole comparison was started because Pippen was trying to downplay Harden’s scoring explosion...which has a lot to do with, of course, Hardens elite scoring ability...but also the system he plays in, the unprecedented domination of the ball and possessions he has, and the way the modern game is officiated...so why not put Pippen in the same conditions Harden is putting up his numbers? That’s kinda the whole point... Far as how the math break out, if we’re about to quibble over two fukking points a game, then also consider not only are the rockets seeing 12 more possessions per game on average...Harden uses something like 50% more of those possessions than Pippen did (which was also one of pips criticisms)...so accounting for increased pace and just a fraction of movement towards Hardens hogging, Pip averaging 27 isn’t some impossible feat...which is whatever, Cause that’s not even what pip was arguing (he said 40, which is laughable)...but a lot of y’all are going too far the other way

Because frankly, Pippen didn't have the skills to do what Harden is doing right now. Full stop. If PIppen really wanted to try to emulate Harden, then he could average 27ppg but it would be on terrible efficiency and the Rockets would suck ass.

If he wanted to play his own game with decent efficiency at Rockets' pace, he'd probably average 20-22 just like he did before.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

Because frankly, Pippen didn't have the skills to do what Harden is doing right now. Full stop. If PIppen really wanted to try to emulate Harden, then he could average 27ppg but it would be on terrible efficiency and the Rockets would suck ass.

If he wanted to play his own game with decent efficiency at Rockets' pace, he'd probably average 20-22 just like he did before.

playing exactly the way he did but with 12 extra possessions nets him more points lol...we’ve seen the dantoni bump over the course of decades at this point...but Pippen would be exempt, because...why exactly? Y’all are making Pippen out to be rookie year Jaylen Brown or some shyt

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Pippen averaged 24 points for every 100 possessions in his career. In no season did he EVER average more than 30 points for every 100 possessions

Paul George averages 30 points for every 100 possessions in his career. At his peak he's averaged 36 points for every 100 possessions, and he's averaged 33 points/100 possessions four different times.

So if y'all really just want to talk about pace and nothing else, then PG13 is 20% better at scoring than Pippen. Yet PG13 has only averaged 24ppg or more once in his entire career.

playing exactly the way he did but with 12 extra possessions nets him more points lol...we’ve seen the dantoni bump over the course of decades at this point...but Pippen would be exempt, because...why exactly? Y’all are making Pippen out to be rookie year Jaylen Brown or some shyt

Because players actually close out and pressure jump shots now. I already pointed this out, with receipts - players were FAR more open in his era than they are today.

Another thing y'all keep ignoring is that PIppen had to play 38-39 minutes/ game to get those stats. In today's game they're going a lot harder and NO ONE plays those minutes. Y'all keep selectively ignoring that he would only play 34 minutes/game or so, which completely wipes out the pace difference already.

Besides, Pippen only averaged 22ppg once in his career. He was more typically a 19-20ppg player during his prime.

 

[THE MACHINE]

94-95 (the year Jordan only played 17 games)
Pippen averaged 21ppg, this was also the year the 3 point line went in to 22 feet. There is no way in hell he averages 40ppg in any scenario.
In his career, on the 23'9" line he shot the three at 30% (563 of 1861). And hes a career 70% ft shooter
Even if you add 12 possessions per game. Hes gonna shoot on what, 4 of those? Shooting 50% that's 4-5 more points. I wont even factor in him playing at least 2-3 less minutes in this era

I actually believe his game is made for this era. I could see him averaging near a triple double. Id say 25/10/9 in 36 minutes

 

[Rell84shots]

Well he was averaging 20pts when they actually let you play defense, so he's not wrong in his thinking.

 

[BeachBum Unreal]

He averged 22 on 4 3's at 34% a game in 94

Harden is also shooting 34% this year, except hes taking 14 a game

You do the math hating ass nikka

Big facts

 

[DonKnock]

Harden takes 24 shots per game and 14 free throws per game. If Pippen did that I would think he averages 40..

Pippen would need more FTs than that because he only shot 70% at the line to Harden's 89% this season. Also, FT% is a major predictor of 3pt% at high volume and being a 70% FT shooter (10% lower than Westbrook btw) isn't a good indicator for him shooting Harden's volume of contested threes.