Phil's Drunk Messin' With The Association Save Again: Knicks 2015-2016 Tryout / Off Season Thread

[Typical Knicks Fan]

My recent avy is a double entendre, don't ask me how.

 

[OsO]

Their defense is fine. The last 2 games will drop these stats a little but they are:

1st in opp pitp
6th in opp fg% at the rim
6th in opp fga's at the rim
4th in opp fbps
9th in rpg
12th in opp 2nd chance points
16th in opp ppg (just below average)
17th in opp rpg (just below average)

It's only been the last 2 games where their defense has been atrocious. The 3'ball isn't hurting them because most of a team's offense is 2ptrs. Nuggets made 13 threes and still only scored 93pts and lost the game to NY. The Timberwolves making 2 more 3's than NY did not cost them the game. 23 turnovers, allowing 20 fbps, and allowing 42 pitp did. NY is usually great in all 3 of those areas. They haven't lost a single game because of the 3'ball. They know how to defend. They haven't defended like the list above in years because they didn't have the system for it. The Triangle is designed for defensive balance. It was their offense that cost them games and now the offense has picked up. They usually respond to back-to-backs, and if there was ever a time I expected them to respond, it was last night because they've run out of time.

The 2002 Lakers started 3-9 and was trash until Jan 5th and they had better players, good health, favoritism from refs and didn't have to deal with adjusting to a new coach and new system. NY doesn't have until January because they don't have as good of a team as the 2002 Lakers and the officiating will never be fair for them. They have to start winning games now or they will not make the Playoffs, nor will any good free agents come to NY; I don't care how much money they will have to buy them. Tanking won't fix anything. What good is a pick if no good players will accompany the pick? None. They must find a way to win through all the injuries, cheating from refs, back-to-backs, lack of practice time, all of it.

If they have to practice for 10 hours tomorrow and find the energy to play Saturday, they must win the majority of the 69 games they have left to make up for the big whole they've dug. Forget about waiting for deadline trades to help them, etc. The team they have now must do it; Coach Fish too.

zema you my peoples and i f*cks with you hardbody but you gotta stop with the blocks of statistical analysis. it's effective to a certain point but it doesn't tell the whole story. a solid conclusion needs a good balance observation and data analysis. especially in sports where you can't tell the whole story with numbers.

if you watch the games live and think the knick defense is good or "fine," then that's cool. it's your opinion and you're entitled to that. but i would encourage you to use more qualitative analysis to supplement your comprehensive statistical work

 

[The War Report]

zema you my peoples and i f*cks with you hardbody but you gotta stop with the blocks of statistical analysis. it's effective to a certain point but it doesn't tell the whole story. any intelligent person will tell you a solid conclusion or theory contains a good balance and quantitative and qualitative data analysis. especially in sports where you can't tell the whole story with numbers.

if you watch the games live and think the knick defense is good or "fine," then that's cool. it's your opinion and you're entitled to that. but i would encourage you to use more qualitative analysis to supplement your comprehensive statistical work

In other words: shut the fukk up and use your goddamn eyes, you a$$hole!

 

[K-ZOE]

Y'all acting like the Knicks have a choice whether to tank or not. These mufukkas are just ass. The "tank" is already rollin!

 

[Victim of Racism]

zema you my peoples and i f*cks with you hardbody but you gotta stop with the blocks of statistical analysis. it's effective to a certain point but it doesn't tell the whole story. any intelligent person will tell you a solid conclusion or theory contains a good balance and quantitative and qualitative data analysis. especially in sports where you can't tell the whole story with numbers.

if you watch the games live and think the knick defense is good or "fine," then that's cool. it's your opinion and you're entitled to that. but i would encourage you to use more qualitative analysis to supplement your comprehensive statistical work

If what's happening on the film is not resulting in NY giving up too many points, then it doesn't matter, my dude. A dude tried to tell me that when NY lost 85-91 to Atlanta, it was because they gave up too many 3's, as if you're gonna win a lot of games scoring 85pts. That was the issue until the last 4 games. The Cavs' defense is much worse than it was last season, giving up 500ppg, and this is night in, night out, but they have the refs to bail them out. NY doesn't have that, even for their rare off nights. Are you saying NY didn't struggle to score up until the last 4 games? Even the Nuggets' coach Brian Shaw pointed this out before that game, saying, "NY is a team that doesn't score a lot of points". Are you saying that the 2 biggest pieces of NY's offense ('Melo and Swish) were not being too passive because they didn't know how to fit their game into the Triangle, resulting in the 2 of them playing like trash?

NY knows how to defend, and now they know how to score well enough in the system. They don't need what you said they need, which is a "more consistent rotation, so that the defense can improve". They need to know that they have no more time to lose games. They are out of excuses, and even if they still had valid excuses, they are out of time because of a 3-10 whole. If they think it's "still early in the season" for them, they gon' learn in April.

 

[I.V.]

zema you my peoples and i f*cks with you hardbody but you gotta stop with the blocks of statistical analysis. it's effective to a certain point but it doesn't tell the whole story. any intelligent person will tell you a solid conclusion or theory contains a good balance and quantitative and qualitative data analysis. especially in sports where you can't tell the whole story with numbers.

if you watch the games live and think the knick defense is good or "fine," then that's cool. it's your opinion and you're entitled to that. but i would encourage you to use more qualitative analysis to supplement your comprehensive statistical work

Well, she also applies them incorrectly. Which is why I had to use the

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

Goran Dragic might be on the market next year
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/235611/Goran-Dragic-Plans-On-Testing-Open-Market-In-Free-Agency
I don't think we can afford both Marc Gasol and Dragic, but if we strike out on Gasol I would LOVE for Dragic to be a Knick

 

[The War Report]

I see Dragic as more of a pick n roll player. The PG is not that important in the triangle.

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

Looking at the salaries, the only people on the books for next season is Melo, Calderon, Pablo, THJR & Early. JR has a player option worth 6.3 mil (which I doubt he turns down). Acy & Wear have team options, and Shump has a qualifying offer.

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

I see Dragic as more of a pick n roll player. The PG is not that important in the triangle.

He's great in the pick in roll no doubt, but I want him on the team because he has great vision, a terrific scorer who can get to the rim with ease, and he's one of the best perimeter defenders in the league. I know a pg isn't real important in the triangle, but he's capable of being a lot more than just a facilitator. Besides we aren't gonna always run our offensive sets out of the triangle, so he helps bring versatility too.

 

[llt23]

Im not gonna sit around and say get Dragic cause its way too soon to speculate on 2015, but I will refute the idea that the PG isnt that important in the triangle. Historically it didnt matter cause the Lakers had Kobe and the Bulls had MJ and Pippen. These guys were good passers. They were able to dump the ball off to a big no problem. We dont have that luxury. Melo is in the post, hes not playing the Jordan or Kobe role really. Our wing players arent exactly great passers, and we see the struggle to even get Melo the ball on occasion. This wasnt a problem in LA where you had Kobe feeding Shaq for example. We need someone who can actually make a damn post pass to Melo or whomever.

 

[Playa With Tha Passport]

I hope shump stays

 

[BoogieDown23]

Having our pick this year and having bargnani and amare expiring makes our current situation not so bad

 

[I.V.]

He's great in the pick in roll no doubt, but I want him on the team because he has great vision, a terrific scorer who can get to the rim with ease, and he's one of the best perimeter defenders in the league. I know a pg isn't real important in the triangle, but he's capable of being a lot more than just a facilitator. Besides we aren't gonna always run our offensive sets out of the triangle, so he helps bring versatility too.

On top of that, he shot 40% from 3 last year. Now that may be an outlier. But if he shows the ability to shoot near that number when this season is over... that's another reason to consider him.

 

[BoogieDown23]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11377133/nba-free-agents-2015-2016