Phil's Drunk Messin' With The Association Save Again: Knicks 2015-2016 Tryout / Off Season Thread

[JMurder]

How many guys are even going to be here next year? Longterm implementation of the system is a secondary goal at this point. Phil is just trying to see who is buying in to decide who to keep around. You can see that from the comments he made today. When the roster is completely different next year, the process is going to have to restart anyway.

I wish I saw what you guys are seeing. I haven't been this disinterested in a Knicks season in a very long time.

Roster won't be completely different. Probably about 50% of the roster will still be here

 

[seemorecizzy]

I was pissed earlier that we lost to the Hawks twice in a 3 day span, but I took that anger out on the customers at work. I'm about to listen to this LOX mixtape & chill the f*ck out.

@CantStop We got until all-star break breh, we'll still be better than the Fakeshow

Took it out on my girl

 

[nomoreneveragain]

Jose and Bargs will help, no offense to Shane but when Jose comes back Shump should take 2nd PG duties, so we don't spread our legs on defense.

Defense is the main issue, you ask Shumpert to check Korver all game and the German/Dominican abuse Amare/Larkin on P&R at the end.

Shump needs to stop with the dumb fouls too

 

[Frump]

I hope they can pick up some runs by the time they get that two day break after that Minnesota game. They need some confidence in the system before Fish/Jackson teach them some more Triangle sets

I can't believe so many people believe the triangle is some magic system that wins ..it's about the players not the system

The triangle is Jordan Pippen Shaq and Kobe

 

[Futuristic Eskimo]

Jose and Bargs will help, no offense to Shane but when Jose comes back Shump should take 2nd PG duties, so we don't spread our legs on defense.

Defense is the main issue, you ask Shumpert to check Korver all game and the German/Dominican abuse Amare/Larkin on P&R at the end.

Shump needs to stop with the dumb fouls too

If defense is the issue, how exactly will the team be better off with two bad defenders returningWatching Jose and Bargs try to defend the pick and roll together is going to be comedy.

 

[nieman]

I'm gonna say it...Derrick Fisher CAN'T coach. Maybe sometime down the line, but not now. His credentials are that he played under Phil (wasn't even the starter for 1/2 that time) and that Kobe respected him.

As a player, he couldn't read the floor well, was a horrible PG, subpar on defense, and still did what Kobe told him to. How about grabbing a former PG that players actually listened to?

He has horrible player rotations, assigns the worst defensive assignments, and has the worst possible player-combinations you can think of. Not to mention, the "triangle" is really antiquated with today's players. Run a modified version. He's not using any of the players towards their strengths, including having Shumpert (one on the team with the worst handle of all people) running PG.

We would have been better suited with Avery or even Mark Jax. Fisher may fair better as a GM

 

[nomoreneveragain]

If defense is the issue, how exactly will the team be better off with two bad defenders returningWatching Jose and Bargs try to defend the pick and roll together is going to be comedy.

Bad Offense leads to Bad Defense.

You can always put Shumpert guarding the PG on Crunch Time and Put Jose on a Corner the way Mavs did on defense.

Bargs is atleast a better 1v1 defender then Amar'e.

 

[intruder]

I can't believe so many people believe the triangle is some magic system that wins ..it's about the players not the system

The triangle is Jordan Pippen Shaq and Kobe

Anyway, you have a cornerstone player in Carmelo to base the Triangle around. I expected Carmelo to be a better fit for it than Kobe because of his post up game. Will it take time? Yes. Does Carmelo have a lot of time left at the top of his game? ehh.. We'll see.

 

[Futuristic Eskimo]

Bad Offense leads to Bad Defense.

You can always put Shumpert guarding the PG on Crunch Time and Put Jose on a Corner the way Mavs did on defense.

Bargs is atleast a better 1v1 defender then Amar'e.

Shump is on the floor playing D in crunch time anyway. Hiding Calderon instead of Larkin is a lateral move at best.

Bargs might be better 1v1 but he might be the only big in the NBA that is worse than Amare in help defense. Any coach worth his salt would exploit either matchup in half court sets.

Melo getting out of his funk is the only thing that will drive this team to better results. His jumper has been all season and hes settling. Im not sure I buy that "bad offense leads to bad defense." Some of the best defensive teams last year (Indiana, Chicago, Memphis, Charlotte, etc) were below average offensive teams. It comes down to talent on both sides of the floor.

 

[nomoreneveragain]

When You turn the ball over 20 times, that's at least 5 pt swing in a game, via Transition pts for the opposition & lost possession

Shumpert has to initiate the offense because Larkin can't.

Larkin = Poor Man's Jose Barea

 

[nieman]

If defense is the issue, how exactly will the team be better off with two bad defenders returningWatching Jose and Bargs try to defend the pick and roll together is going to be comedy.

It's not defense that's the problem. The main problem is that there is no one to settle the offense. They are a jumpshooting team, and rarely get easy baskets...including jumpshots. They also have too many offensively inept players.

 

[nieman]

Shump is on the floor playing D in crunch time anyway. Hiding Calderon instead of Larkin is a lateral move at best.

Bargs might be better 1v1 but he might be the only big in the NBA that is worse than Amare in help defense. Any coach worth his salt would exploit either matchup in half court sets.

Melo getting out of his funk is the only thing that will drive this team to better results. His jumper has been all season and hes settling. Im not sure I buy that "bad offense leads to bad defense." Some of the best defensive teams last year (Indiana, Chicago, Memphis, Charlotte, etc) were below average offensive teams. It comes down to talent on both sides of the floor.

Help defense is overrated. It's a modern way of hiding defensive lapses and always leads to an open man. The Knicks would be better suited playing man straight up, and staying at home on the picks. "Rim protector"? Come on now. Dalembert is more than a capable one-on-one defender for bigs; don't have him leaving a big to attempt to block a shot of a cutting man, leaving the dish for the big he left. He should definitely be on the floor more.

 

[Victim of Racism]

Phil Jackson on the terrible start to the season → http://player.theplatform.com/p/TZl...73&videoHeight=430&feedParams=byId=2595373362

 

[Captain Crunch]

Lebron signed to Cleveland because he wanted to go back home...is there a Lebron on this team?

Is there a franchise changing player that wants to come home to NY and play?

And once again...we're ignoring a decade of history where the only star players that wanted to come to play for us had tragic flaws in their game that made us worse instead of better.

Melo, he came home ya'll

 

[I.V.]

Chicago

Could have signed LeBron.

Didn't have the assets to trade for Love.

Who is next?