Peter Schiff: "Mental retards are maybe worth 2$ an hour"

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

I heard that but was struck me as odd was that Rogan was like at the end Joe told him thanks for putting up with a lot of his "devil's advocate" questions, I did like how Joe kept trying to tag him with humanitarian type questions and that's where is arguments sorta faltered a bit.

The problem with people like Schiff and Dead7 is they treat life like a game and don't really account for humanity (dead7 has his moments). Other than that PROFITABILITY is God.....
It just struck me...Libertarians are the Ferengi from Star Trek

I think Joe was just saying that so he didn't come off like he was trying to be an a$$hole. Joe seems to be similar to me in that he agrees with some stuff Schiff says but completely disagrees with others. Especially about the environmental protection stuff.

I don't think they treat life like a game, I think sometimes they're stuck in their own ideology (gov is ALWAYS bad and can never do things right) though a lot of us get stuck in our ideology too. Atleast people like Schiff and Dead are open to reason and logic, they're not ideologues like some talking heads.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I get the goal, where does the belief that it is possible come from? You want the problem to fix itself, and all it has been doing instead is making itself richer, and the people less safe.
At what point is it enough? Or are you riding with the govt. til implodes?

Because unlike you, even as cynical as I can be, I believe that we live in a nation-state defined by geographical boundaries.

AS SUCH, i think its important that we acknowledge that if we don't want world governments (yet, or for whatever reason) that we seek to maintain and improve our way of life as a COMMUNITY of individuals towards common goals.

Dudes are too afraid to be patriotic these days. I'm not saying you have to support every drone strike or wave your flag at the nascar games while spitting on french people when you travel abroad.

I AM saying that taking some pride in advancing the country isn't something I see any libertarians taking seriously.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

1- Truth. Not gonna lie, but ill accept the trade off, which is really the name of the game

2- Its just constantly referred to as "capitalism"... and fault is placed on 'capitalism". Thats my fault though, ill just keep in mind that when the term "capitalism" is used on HL you dont actually mean capitalism.

1. Don't even attempt to agree with me. This position is untenable and unreasonable. You MUST satisfy the needs of SOME part of the population, otherwise you'll resemble some 3rd world country that can't even get both legs in their pants.

2. You think too much in absolutes, thats why your arguments always get exposed.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I agree with him on some stuff and not others.

Rogan grilled him pretty hard

only thing I agreed with schiff on was the bailouts...

Everything else had that dude on some complete and other bullshyt. Unbelievable.

 

[DEAD7]

Where does your faith in the private sector to do carry out any tasks that counteract their #1 goal (generating profits) come from? Private sector won't profit from implementing safety nets or regulation and has a long standing history of doing everything in their power to minimize/eliminate such endeavors. Including shipping jobs overseas to where such impediments don't exist. So again what are you talking about?

I have faith in people, and the free market gives people the most control over their own situation.

I'd prefer people doing bad do to a bad roll of the dice, lack of motivation, etc. instead of the systemic poverty we have now.

 

[DEAD7]

1. Don't even attempt to agree with me. This position is untenable and unreasonable. You MUST satisfy the needs of SOME part of the population, otherwise you'll resemble some 3rd world country that can't even get both legs in their pants.

2. You think too much in absolutes, thats why your arguments always get exposed.

1- Its always been about trade offs. i dont think any side should get what they want(completely)

2- Capitalism has a clear definition, sorry for using it

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

1- Its always been about trade offs. i dont think any side should get what they want(completely)

2- Capitalism has a clear definition, sorry for using it

1. You don't agree with trade offs, nor have you ever demonstrated an understanding of any of them
2. capitalism doesn't have a clear definition cause, like all economic theories, they aren't meant to exist in extreme forms.

 

[DEAD7]

1. You don't agree with trade offs, nor have you ever demonstrated an understanding of any of them
2. capitalism doesn't have a clear definition cause, like all economic theories, they aren't meant to exist in extreme forms.

1- You can look over this entire thread. I'm the only one who has suggested a trade off of any sort.

2-


But lets hear it, what trade off would you be for? What would you give up or ease up on for a higher min wage?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

1- You can look over this entire thread. I'm the only one who has suggested a trade off of any sort.

2-

But lets hear it, what trade off would you be for? What would you give up or ease up on for a higher min wage?

The argument isn't for a higher minimum wage in this thread. The argument is why you're defending an exploitative capitalist like Schiff who thinks mentally retarded people are literally "worth" less in the economy not because of what they can do, but how they think.

 

[Everythingg]

apples and oranges...we are not talking about sick people.

We are talking about able body bums who expect my tax money to fund their lazy ass

The government?

 

[Mr. Somebody]

THE MENTALLY RETARDED DON'T NEED TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD HOUSING, BROTHER! WE HAVE MANY FINE BRIDGES THEY CAN LIVE UNDERNEATH, DUDE! AND IF WE DON'T FUND THE MAINTENANCE OF THOSE BRIDGES, WE'LL SOON HAVE SOLVED OUR MENTAL RETARD PROBLEM, MEAN GENE!

Demonic crud. Thats not the kind of world we should be living in. You sound ridiculous and this isnt funny.

 

[DEAD7]

The argument isn't for a higher minimum wage in this thread. The argument is why you're defending an exploitative capitalist like Schiff who thinks mentally retarded people are literally "worth" less in the economy not because of what they can do, but how they think.

Attaching pay to production/merit and competition isnt wrong in any way IMHO, and I havent heard an argument for how it is. It just makes people feel icky i guess...



If i pay employees $100 a day to make 10 sneakers, and i have 1 employee who can only make 1 sneaker a day, paying him less doesnt seem evil to me... but im obviously in the minority on this
Looks like the lower producing employee is just out of a job... Liberalism strikes again.

 

[Brown_Pride]

I think Joe was just saying that so he didn't come off like he was trying to be an @sshole. Joe seems to be similar to me in that he agrees with some stuff Schiff says but completely disagrees with others. Especially about the environmental protection stuff.

I don't think they treat life like a game, I think sometimes they're stuck in their own ideology (gov is ALWAYS bad and can never do things right) though a lot of us get stuck in our ideology too. Atleast people like Schiff and Dead are open to reason and logic, they're not ideologues like some talking heads.

I don't know that Schiff and Dead are open to logic. I've not spoken to Schiff but I do know Dead has his moments of clarity.

Really if we just used so damn common sense we'd be ok. A lot of the libertarian platform sounds common sense to me, but then I plug it into the real world and it doesn't jive, particularly with the way things currently operate.

We'd have to fix a lot of the problems with a lot of things before the liberetarian platform could work...but I do think it could.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I have faith in people, and the free market gives people the most control over their own situation.

I'd prefer people doing bad do to a bad roll of the dice, lack of motivation, etc. instead of the systemic poverty we have now.

People left to their own devices are not necessarily going to make decisions that are in their own or the country's best long term interests. There's no clearer example of this than the almighty private sector you continually claim to be the solution for many of the problems they themselves are causing.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Attaching pay to production/merit and competition isnt wrong in any way IMHO, and I havent heard an argument for how it is. It just makes people feel icky i guess...

If i pay employees $100 a day to make 10 sneakers, and i have 1 employee who can only make 1 sneaker a day, paying him less doesnt seem evil to me... but im obviously in the minority on this
Looks like the lower producing employee is just out of a job... Liberalism strikes again.

You may be in the minority on it, but your view on the effect of minimum wage is overblown and myopic. Bear in mind, something like 1% of the working sector in the US makes minimum wage, or close to it. And you don't have the understanding or capacity to see that minimum wage being such a lightning rod issue is a symptom of a bigger problem that is caused in part by the very private sector you claim is our only hope for salvation

O and for the record I am against minimum wage too, but not with the US economic system as it is currently configured.