People who don't understand the significance of Superman not killing!

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

Nah Captain Marvel (Shazam) does it better.

Superman came up in a good environment with adoptive parents to show him the way and used his powers to excel

Billy was a orphan in the streets, and when he got his powers he could have became like black Adam but he didn't he choose to do good. He represents a child's innocence and blind loyalty to be a good civil servant ( like what a little kid thinks of when they say they want to be a police or fire fighter) even after going through circumstances that would make the average person go crazy.


Also for flying bricks it would be easy to kill, all superman, Shazam, Wonder Woman would have to do is throw them out of orbit and then they automatically die. Or they can just blitz them to pulp. It's not only about not killing it's more about damage control and saving civilians.

Shazam is better than Superman in every way.

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

@MartyMcFly @FlyRy @Jello Biafra @Ain't That Something I'm generally curious what you think of the exchange that just happened.

Am I on to anything or am I totally off in my assessment?

 

[MartyMcFly]

@MartyMcFly @FlyRy @Jello Biafra @Ain't That Something I'm generally curious what you think of the exchange that just happened.

Am I on to anything or am I totally off in my assessment?

I can't speak for him but you're right that age of ultron seems to be a direct response to man of steel and i know there were plenty of reviews at the time that took that into account and mentioned it specifically in how they got the people out of harms way whereas superman never attempted to do that, etc etc. So yeah it's possible someone would love that purely because it was the antithesis of man of steel and overlook whatever shortcomings I think the movie has. Man of Steel isn't perfect either though and while I get what Snyder was going for with the decision superman made, it could've been set up a lot better but that's just an issue I have with Snyder: Great ideas that get lost in execution some times. But their goal was to shake up superman and they definitely did that.

 

[Jello Biafra]

My whole point is. If Superman kills someone. he has to be taken as a threat to national defense. Like really what if he went all "Injustice" Superman and just became a Fascist? You got to kill him.

Whether he killed someone or not he would be deemed a threat by every government in the world just by virtue of how powerful he is.

As for killing Zod in particular, that wouldn't have moved the needle in regards to the level of threat Superman was seen by world governments but actual people (especially in the USA) would be mixed with some distrusting him but the majority loving him for saving the world from the "bad aliens" and in the US for being "our alien".

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

I can't speak for him but you're right that age of ultron seems to be a direct response to man of steel and i know there were plenty of reviews at the time that took that into account and mentioned it specifically in how they got the people out of harms way whereas superman never attempted to do that, etc etc. So yeah it's possible someone would love that purely because it was the antithesis of man of steel and overlook whatever shortcomings I think the movie has. Man of Steel isn't perfect either though and while I get what Snyder was going for with the decision superman made, it could've been set up a lot better but that's just an issue I have with Snyder: Great ideas that get lost in execution some times. But their goal was to shake up superman and they definitely did that.

I totally agree in that I've never,and would never call Mos a perfect film. It isn't.

I find Snyder, goyer and even Nolan to an extent can fall victim in their writing to putting the theme(s) in their films at times above logic.

It also makes them at times misunderstood because they're so heavily leaning into driving home a theme that people it doesn't connect with feel at odds with the film or certain scenes.

But I will always defend MOS as a complete success in shaking up the mythos of Supes and bringing weight to the character for modern times.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

I totally agree in that I've never,and would never call Mos a perfect film. It isn't.

I find Snyder, goyer and even Nolan to an extent can fall victim in their writing to putting the theme(s) in their films at times above logic.

It also makes them at times misunderstood because they're so heavily leaning into driving home a theme that people it doesn't connect with feel at odds with the film or certain scenes.

But I will always defend MOS as a complete success in shaking up the mythos of Supes and bringing weight to the character for modern times.

All that work and now he's dead. lol

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

All that work and now he's dead. lol

We all know he isn't actually dead though.

And I assume the plan is now to move on from the themes of Mos and bvs now that he made the ultimate sacrifice for the sake of the Earth and is no longer seen as a threat.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

We all know he isn't actually dead though.

And I assume the plan is now to move on from the themes of Mos and bvs now that he made the ultimate sacrifice for the sake of the Earth and is no longer seen as a threat.

OK, so it was an obviously fake plot device? That's cool uh I guess?
Can he?I don't think Alan Moore wrote a version of Dr. Manhattan where that happens.

 

[MartyMcFly]

We all know he isn't actually dead though.

And I assume the plan is now to move on from the themes of Mos and bvs now that he made the ultimate sacrifice for the sake of the Earth and is no longer seen as a threat.

Yeah they buried him at Arlington Cemetery, which for those who don't know, is where they bury soldiers and all military related personnel if they choose to do so. It'a also where they lay soldiers to rest who've made the ultimate sacrifice for the country. So yeah when he comes back, it'll be a different worldview

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

OK, so it was an obviously fake plot device? That's cool uh I guess?
Can he?I don't think Alan Moore wrote a version of Dr. Manhattan where that happens.

Uhhhh what? I'm not even sure what you're saying here.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Uhhhh what? I'm not even sure what you're saying here.

His Superman is a direct bite of Dr. Manhattan. He didn't have some deep epiphany about changing Superman's mythos. He just copied something he recently worked on.

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

His Superman is a direct bite of Dr. Manhattan. He didn't have some deep epiphany about changing Superman's mythos. He just copied something he recently worked on.

I bet that sounded better in your head.

 

[Doomsday]

Batman is basically an antihero as well just a better one but Batman has killed as well especially in the film world but he's more into working with the law and justice system as well but that was overtime.

He was a straight up Vigilante at first.

I think he overdid it in BvS with the machine guns and dropping shyt but the BatBrand was dope and sounded like something Batman would do.

In flashpoint and in the TDR and animated films, dude was vicious

No, writers have tried to make Batman dark and menacing, but in reality, he's more of a boyscout than any of the heroes minus flash. Batman just appears tough. He's less likely to resort to killing than someone like Superman. His appearance and origin force people to look at him at a certain light but almost all of his mythos is boyscout with extremely high morality.

The Flashpoint movie was an alternate Batman that was his father.

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

Yeah they buried him at Arlington Cemetery, which for those who don't know, is where they bury soldiers and all military related personnel if they choose to do so. It'a also where they lay soldiers to rest who've made the ultimate sacrifice for the country. So yeah when he comes back, it'll be a different worldview

And they've always said justice League would be lighter well before bvs came out so it makes sense.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

I bet that sounded better in your head.

You're not denying any of it.