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Manufactured controversy.
People talk crap about Phil Spencer but Jim Ryan is horrible
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CoolinInTheCut
Superstar
Who gives a fukk about any of this shyt if he's been feeding PS5 users with a constant stream of great games. Every year there's multiple GOTY candidates.
Meanwhile XSX launched with no games, and had no games until last holiday season, and now we back to no games until 2023. And if we wanna really tell the truth here, Halo Infinite is BF2042 status and FH5 is a FH4 reskin.
And we supposed to shyt on Jim and salute Phil? Make it make sense.
I can't fukk with Spencer Phil, Xbox CEOs telling fibs.
Meanwhile XSX launched with no games, and had no games until last holiday season, and now we back to no games until 2023. And if we wanna really tell the truth here, Halo Infinite is BF2042 status and FH5 is a FH4 reskin.
And we supposed to shyt on Jim and salute Phil? Make it make sense.
I can't fukk with Spencer Phil, Xbox CEOs telling fibs.
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Gizmo_Duck
blathering blatherskite!
What CEO has stood up for abortion? Pretty much everyone is keeping their mouth shut on the issue. It’s almost fukking retarded to think the CEO of a division of a much larger company is gonna stand on the ledge and do anything otherwise.
The only place that is upset about a company not putting their foot down on this issue is Resetera because they live in a weird bubble where they think of entire corporations as individuals.
To try and even pretend its Jim Ryan keeping the entire video game industry mute on this issue is intellectually dishonest.
Theres only two conclusions you can draw from this whole thing, either most of the video games industry doesn’t give a fukk about Roe V Wade and they just aren’t bothering to speak on it or like Sony most other companies have very strict gag orders preventing them from talking about it also and it just hasn’t leaked
Its easy to sit back and blame Jim Ryan, he’s a lightning rod for what people think is “old white business men” as if him and Phil Spencer aren’t the same. All these performative fukks at era get off on being able to dogpile and blame everything on one guy when the actual issue is much larger. You want video game exec to fight for your human rights issues, thats the first problem. They’d rather sit up on video game forums and cry about jim ryan rather than appeal to the people who actually have the power to change the laws in Washington.
I don’t really feel any way about Jim Ryan, i dont like him or hate him, all i know is games have been coming out under him which is why he runs SIE. All this other shyt yall care about is why you’re miserable.
For someone that is constantly crying about how expensive sonys games are you should be the biggest fan of the guy @winb83 considering there has been no other time in history where games on playstation have been as accessible as they are now.
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CoolinInTheCut
Superstar
Most of the controversies Jim Ryan has been involved in were non-issues, its all just heavily exaggerated console war bullshyt.
"We believe in generations" - PS5 is still the only console with next gen exclusives, and 3rd party cross-gen is here forever thanks to the Xbox Series S existing.
"No one cares about old games" - They don't. There's just way too many new games being released these days for any real desire to play old PS1-PS3 games that haven't been remastered.
"$70 games" - Games get discounted after a couple weeks these days. If you don't agree with price adjustment due to inflation, you shouldn't agree with wages being adjusted due to inflation either.
"Respect everyone's opinion" - Its good business to remain neutral on politics. You alienate a slice of your employees and customers if you make hard stances on political matters.
The only legitimate issue was the HFW upgrade path, and that was quickly resolved within a couple days.
Gizmo_Duck
blathering blatherskite!
Right, i mean, the old games things was pertaining specifically to Gran Turismo. The fact is sports games and drivings sims are mostly iterative titles. They are exactly the same year after year except for the fact that the AI, Driving mechanics, graphics, sound and just all the technical aspects of the game improve exponentially. The market for people who are craving going back and playing Gran Turismo 2 and 3 or something like NBA 2k 11 are incredibly small.
It was never an indictment on Backwards compatibility or legacy games like people try to make it seem.
And 70 dollar games are here to stay, it’s not just Sony games, EA, 2k, Activision, and a lot of other 3rd party publishers have already committed to it. Tiny Tina Wonderland was 70 dollars and its the best selling Borderlands game.
And yeah, once again, the CEO of a company declaring neutrality is not a stand AGAINST abortion, if thats the case yall gotta drag Doug Bowser And Phil Spencer also.
It’s most likely Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony as companies do not take forward political stances of this nature. Something like BLM or LGBTQ day are pretty much easy PR for them. Things that actually effect their standing with Washington is a no go. Microsoft themselves are so tied up with government and military funding, to even suggest they are anymore liberal than Sony would be a joke and Nintendo Japan doesn’t support it at all, im sure the same applies to Sony proper in Japan.
They aren’t doing anything a team of Lawyers haven’t advised them not to do. None of them can type 3 words on twitter without running it through a legal team.
People gotta stop thinking as these companies as their friends just because they write some witty tweets here and there
The goofiest thing Jim Ryan has done is his haircut and talk about his cats birthdays. Only way Jim Ryan is getting fired is if he does the exact thing people on Era want him to do.
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Jim Ryan has had more missteps and goofs than Jack Trenton and Shawn Layden combined. He's been in charge like 3 years and those two date from 2006-2019.
And him being pro abortion or not is irrelevant. Companies bigger than Sony have stepped in and essentially took a stance on it in a very public way by saying they'll cover all cost for any employee that needs care on the issue cross state. I can start naming them Amazon, Starbucks, Microsoft, Tesla. You tell me if a company says we'll step in and pay for your cross state care does that mean that company doesn't support a woman's right to choose when they're saying financially they'll put money behind it?
Meanwhile he's out here putting out statements trying to play it neutral and his employees in major divisions are in open insubordination of him. Should have just said nothing and let it ride.
Gizmo_Duck
blathering blatherskite!
record generating revenue in a manufacturing crises overshadows whatever "missteps" you think he made. At the end of the day he's doing the job he's paid to do and hasn't stepped out of line according to any Sony policy. This "bad PR" you talk about exist only in select circles online where outrage generates clicks. Most people who buy games don't even know who the fukk Jim Ryan is, i didn't even know who he was until PS5 debut.
A lot of this shyt you and the outrage-squad at era are mad about aren't things unique to Jim Ryan it's Sony in general.
Every company is doing that, it's not a statement in support or against of. Sony has already committed to it also
https://www.washingtonpost.com/vide...ac-roe-v-wade-email-ratchet-clank-spider-man/
I don't know if you as a CEO put out a private internal statement to your employees and that statement is leaked by some of them in few divisions of your company take public stances in direct opposition of the spirit of that statement what does that say about your employees respect for you as a leader?
It's like when you walk into a store and see a kid falling out on the floor throwing a tantrum. If a child respects their parents they don't do shyt like that.
Whole divisions of the company shouldn't be falling out of line and making statements that could jeopardize the brand like that.
This is a business and in that sense he was right saying what he said. This political issues a minefield that could damage the brand if they take a direct stance on it either way. The fact that he can't keep his employees from taking stances in defiance of him says volumes about his leadership.
As for the other things just recently
Publicly rejecting backwards compatibility and shytting on the taste of gamers that want to play older titles before doubling back and then trying to sell older titles as part of a subscription service.
Attempting to close the PS3 and Vita stores before doubling back and deciding to keep them open.
Horizon Forbidden West and the back step where they ended up giving the PS5 version away free to people who bought the PS4 version when that was clearly not their intention.
Refusing to get involved with crossplatfom play when the rest of the industry had all agreed to it before also doubling back and doing it but putting poison pill charges into it that got leaked in the Epic games Apple lawsuit.
The treatment of indie developers that lead to them crying in public about they way Sony treats them.
The Salt and Sacrifice pricing situation leaking out where the developer reveled Sony forced them to change the price of their game to make it be equal on a different platform to what it was on PlayStation.
Also forgot just recently put out a statement about how you can get credit for the time you have on PS Plus and Now prematurely then after realizing his customers were adding time to their accounts they got elsewhere stacking it blocked them from doing so for days privately before coming put in public and admitting stacking was blocked for existing members until after the service starts where the redemption rates will be changed from what they bought.
Attempting to close the PS3 and Vita stores before doubling back and deciding to keep them open.
Horizon Forbidden West and the back step where they ended up giving the PS5 version away free to people who bought the PS4 version when that was clearly not their intention.
Refusing to get involved with crossplatfom play when the rest of the industry had all agreed to it before also doubling back and doing it but putting poison pill charges into it that got leaked in the Epic games Apple lawsuit.
The treatment of indie developers that lead to them crying in public about they way Sony treats them.
The Salt and Sacrifice pricing situation leaking out where the developer reveled Sony forced them to change the price of their game to make it be equal on a different platform to what it was on PlayStation.
Also forgot just recently put out a statement about how you can get credit for the time you have on PS Plus and Now prematurely then after realizing his customers were adding time to their accounts they got elsewhere stacking it blocked them from doing so for days privately before coming put in public and admitting stacking was blocked for existing members until after the service starts where the redemption rates will be changed from what they bought.
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CoolinInTheCut
Superstar
console war babble
Not at all. I'm a PlayStation gamer and for the love of the brand they should find a way to get that guy out of there. The biggest goof I can remember Jack Trenton making was saying he'd pay people $20 for every PS3 they could find at launch and people were posting pallets of them. Can't really remember anything controversial about Shawn Layden who is probably best remembered for his positive game share video, It seems like every few months some Jim Ryan policy or the guy himself in involved in some negative PR blow back. Jim Ryan inherited a well oiled machine and it's been one blunder after the next ever since.
His core policy can be boiled down to 4 words: fukk you pay me.
Gizmo_Duck
blathering blatherskite!
Again, you think Jim Ryan is running a mom & pop operation over at sony. You're either extremely naive or you spend way too much time on resetera. Jim Ryan isn't going to be fired for what are decisions Sony Interactive are making for their business. Jim Ryan isn't doing anythting that hasn't been ran by 50 other people above and below him.
a lot of that stuff you just listed is basic stuff Sony enacted for cost-profit evaluation factors. Closing the PS3 and Vita store knowing they were starting the new PS PLUS makes sense.
he didn't publicly reject backwards compatibility, again, stan babble you got hot about on resetera. That shyt doesn't work here, they don't ban you for not going along with emotional gen z shyt here. Under Jim Ryan we got full backwards compatibility with the PS4, something we didn't get last gen
Horizon forbidden west I will give you, that was fukking retarded, again....thinking that was Jim Ryan bossing GG around, If anything thats a decision Hermen Hulst would have made as he's the head of Sony Studios/Publishing. And GG is his company so...im not sure how you place that on Jim Ryan.
Indie developers, aka 1 or 2 developers have said the internal support for them was lackluster, again not sure how they falls on Jim Ryan, that would be Shuhei Yoshida's job.
the salt and Sacrifice thing was also wrong, they offered a statement on it saying they agreed to standard global pricing from the beginning, this is their second exclusive deal on playstation, they weren't forced into doing anything.
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Ska Studios Clarifies Salt and Sacrifice Pricing Mishap
Sometimes i feel like talking to you is like talking to a hormonal teenager or something. You're one of the black members of era that be in those jim ryan threads saying "fukk SONY" threatening to boycott them every week.
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BTW their support for employees only came after Ted Price and Insomniac went rogue on Sony and called them out over this.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/vide...ac-roe-v-wade-email-ratchet-clank-spider-man/
Sony tried to silence all their studios and did nothing in the beginning. The policy was to fence sit both sides it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/vide...ac-roe-v-wade-email-ratchet-clank-spider-man/
Sony tried to silence all their studios and did nothing in the beginning. The policy was to fence sit both sides it.
Not sure what people really want here.
While I'm a pro choice person, I think that expecting an entire company the size of Sony, or the CEO of their gaming division, to come out and say some shyt like "fukk pro life, and anybody who love it" like some people would like is insane. For one, the sensible thing really is to accept both sides of the argument, and allow both of them to pursue their desired options or lack thereof, like it's technically supposed to be currently. Secondly, no company has any desire to alienate buyers and potential partners over what should ultimately be a personal issue. And if they did, how far is this supposed to go? Do they fire any pro life employees? Do they punish employees for manipulating the donation system? Do they perform personal evaluations of each employee on that side of the issue to figure out if they're just an a$$hole about this one thing, but cool about other issues like race and immigration?
The "respect all opinions" thing is definitely an example of how we're reaching a point where statements that could be open to interpretation aren't going to cut it with how angry people get about things now. People on the pro choice side read it as validating pro life, and vice versa. Really, I interpreted it as "Don't argue about this shyt at work, and don't drag the company into it, either."
Getting worked up over the PS3 and Vita stores was crazy, because I can guarantee you that Sony had enough data to suggest that keeping those stores open wasn't a worthwhile investment considering how many people were using it. I'd like there to be a universal solution similar that works across generations, but if we're being real, asking the Japanese portion of the company to get on board with it is probably the real issue. I look forward to the future article from Polygon or Kotaku or some shyt that uses the continued existence of the PS3 store as reasoning that buying things in the Sony ecosystem is too confusing.
While I'm a pro choice person, I think that expecting an entire company the size of Sony, or the CEO of their gaming division, to come out and say some shyt like "fukk pro life, and anybody who love it" like some people would like is insane. For one, the sensible thing really is to accept both sides of the argument, and allow both of them to pursue their desired options or lack thereof, like it's technically supposed to be currently. Secondly, no company has any desire to alienate buyers and potential partners over what should ultimately be a personal issue. And if they did, how far is this supposed to go? Do they fire any pro life employees? Do they punish employees for manipulating the donation system? Do they perform personal evaluations of each employee on that side of the issue to figure out if they're just an a$$hole about this one thing, but cool about other issues like race and immigration?
The "respect all opinions" thing is definitely an example of how we're reaching a point where statements that could be open to interpretation aren't going to cut it with how angry people get about things now. People on the pro choice side read it as validating pro life, and vice versa. Really, I interpreted it as "Don't argue about this shyt at work, and don't drag the company into it, either."
Getting worked up over the PS3 and Vita stores was crazy, because I can guarantee you that Sony had enough data to suggest that keeping those stores open wasn't a worthwhile investment considering how many people were using it. I'd like there to be a universal solution similar that works across generations, but if we're being real, asking the Japanese portion of the company to get on board with it is probably the real issue. I look forward to the future article from Polygon or Kotaku or some shyt that uses the continued existence of the PS3 store as reasoning that buying things in the Sony ecosystem is too confusing.
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Gizmo_Duck
blathering blatherskite!
Exactly.
Jim Ryan apologizing for following up an email with a tangent about his cats is probably the most you should even expect to get. I'm assuming the root of that email was that there were in-company complaints hence it being an internal email about fighting amongst Sony staff about these issues. It was probably drafted as a response from the HR department pretty much telling them to stop fighting about it at the workplace. Jim Ryan probably just didn't want it to seem like he was scolding them so he inserted the lighthearted story about his cats, as goofy as it is it wasn't dismissive or malicious. I'm pro-choice also and i'd probably debate someone on it if they brought it up to me, but I 100% don't expect my playstation and any company i buy products from to make their stance known in order to ease my conscious about it. Thats not their place. The people who need to be made known how important the issue are your state legislators who control your local laws. If this passes through on a federal level thats who you need to be concerned about, not your playstation.
this point is also funny because there was absolutely no backlash to Nintendo now closing down it's Nintendo 3DS and Wii U stores, and those consoles are still far more active than the PS3 and Vita. Not even a peep from all the "waah sony is anti-consumer" crowd, and this is even knowing NIntendo doesn't have any sort of backwards compatibility program, don't offer 3ds, Wii or Wii-u titles in any kind of service, and most likely never will because they will continue porting them at full price. Its like, sit there and praise nintendo for outselling every other console while eating all their anti-consumer shyt and their complete silence on any type of social issues.
Nintendo Support: Wii U & Nintendo 3DS eShop Discontinuation Q&A
Era and gaming media's hard-on for Jim Ryan is just getting weird at this point. People are getting so desperate to paint a narrative that he's as bad as Don Mattrick was for Xbox but none of that has come to fruition with playstation. Everything Jim Ryan has done so far has been better for Sony and consumers.
Jim Ryan apologizing for following up an email with a tangent about his cats is probably the most you should even expect to get. I'm assuming the root of that email was that there were in-company complaints hence it being an internal email about fighting amongst Sony staff about these issues. It was probably drafted as a response from the HR department pretty much telling them to stop fighting about it at the workplace. Jim Ryan probably just didn't want it to seem like he was scolding them so he inserted the lighthearted story about his cats, as goofy as it is it wasn't dismissive or malicious. I'm pro-choice also and i'd probably debate someone on it if they brought it up to me, but I 100% don't expect my playstation and any company i buy products from to make their stance known in order to ease my conscious about it. Thats not their place. The people who need to be made known how important the issue are your state legislators who control your local laws. If this passes through on a federal level thats who you need to be concerned about, not your playstation.
this point is also funny because there was absolutely no backlash to Nintendo now closing down it's Nintendo 3DS and Wii U stores, and those consoles are still far more active than the PS3 and Vita. Not even a peep from all the "waah sony is anti-consumer" crowd, and this is even knowing NIntendo doesn't have any sort of backwards compatibility program, don't offer 3ds, Wii or Wii-u titles in any kind of service, and most likely never will because they will continue porting them at full price. Its like, sit there and praise nintendo for outselling every other console while eating all their anti-consumer shyt and their complete silence on any type of social issues.
Nintendo Support: Wii U & Nintendo 3DS eShop Discontinuation Q&A
Era and gaming media's hard-on for Jim Ryan is just getting weird at this point. People are getting so desperate to paint a narrative that he's as bad as Don Mattrick was for Xbox but none of that has come to fruition with playstation. Everything Jim Ryan has done so far has been better for Sony and consumers.
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I called Nintendo out for that. I can’t speak to what others do.
Nintendo discontinuing 3DS and Wii U eShop access in 2023
The truth is when people say things like they aren’t taking a position or aren’t going to take a political side they are taking a political side. You’ll often find that when an issue means enough those same people suddenly become unafraid to take a side. Peoples desire to dabble into politics directly relates to how the issue impacts them.
I guarantee you if when George Floyd was killed by the police such a CEO said they should respect all sides and opinions on police and race relations and kept their employees from expressing their feelings on it some of the same people here giving this company and this executive a pass for fence sitting would be laying into them over that.
I won’t say his desire to remain neutral is entirely wrong but it is an act of cowardice and it ultimately does take a side by supporting the status quo meaning it’s support for pro-lifers that want to strip women of their right to choose what happens in their bodies and force rape victims to bring babies they didn’t want or choose to have to term.