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You should do a thread about West Africa in the ancient times before Islam and Christianity. I'm fascinated about pre Abrahamic African history.

That's a huge undertaking. I'm still relaxing from my Peopling of Africa thread where I touched on it a little. I think part of the problem is that it's hard to find historical evidence of claims before the coming of Christianity and Islam in West Africa, so the narrative is a bit more vague. For instance, I touched upon the spread of iron-work in the Peopling of Africa thread but it's hard to come to definite conclusions.

I also considered making a Combat Systems of Africa thread which would feature pre-colonial, colonial and post-colonial nature of combat on the continent (and its diaspora) but that would ruin me in terms of time.

Perhaps I'll come to that at a later date this year, or someone else could do it.
 

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Candance of Meroe are my favorite figures in African history.

I would love to you do a thread about that. I'm fascinated by Kush. I have a gut feeling that's where the Cushyties emerged from like the Oromos, Bejas, Afars and the Somalis. I really think that. You can teach us something. Also books would be appreciated.
 

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I would love to you do a thread about that. I'm fascinated by Kush. I have a gut feeling that's where the Cushyties emerged from like the Oromos, Bejas, Afars and the Somalis. I really think that. You can teach us something. Also books would be appreciated.

Interesting. My gut feeling is that Cushytes have lived in the Horn of Africa for nearly 10,000 years. That could explain the really early migrations of Southern Cushytes like the Iraqw to parts of deep parts of East Africa prior to the Bantu migration.
 

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That's a huge undertaking. I'm still relaxing from my Peopling of Africa thread where I touched on it a little. I think part of the problem is that it's hard to find historical evidence of claims before the coming of Christianity and Islam in West Africa, so the narrative is a bit more vague. For instance, I touched upon the spread of iron-work in the Peopling of Africa thread but it's hard to come to definite conclusions.

I also considered making a Combat Systems of Africa thread which would feature pre-colonial, colonial and post-colonial nature of combat on the continent (and its diaspora) but that would ruin me in terms of time.

Perhaps I'll come to that at a later date this year, or someone else could do it.

The combat systems would be lit. Take your time. You and me went through our issues. I hope you understand that I care deeply about Somalia and East African history because it was vital to international trade in the ancient world. The Swahili coast to me personally was the richest part of the continent in the middle ages besides the Mali empire. Gates touched on it a bit. I think the next episode is about that.
 

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The combat systems would be lit. Take your time. You and me went through our issues. I hope you understand that I care deeply about Somalia and East African history because it was vital to international trade in the ancient world. The Swahili coast to me personally was the richest part of the continent in the middle ages besides the Mali empire. Gates touched on it a bit. I think the next episode is about that.

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I consider the whole East Africa coastline a civilization with different ethnic groups like the Bantus, Somalis, Habesha and the Arabs from Oman and Yemen as one continuous interconnected civilization.
 

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The combat systems would be lit. Take your time. You and me went through our issues. I hope you understand that I care deeply about Somalia and East African history because it was vital to international trade in the ancient world. The Swahili coast to me personally was the richest part of the continent in the middle ages besides the Mali empire. Gates touched on it a bit. I think the next episode is about that.

The Swahili coast is my favorite African civilization. I touched base on the Swahili coast here.
Lets Talk African History: The Swahili Coast

I hope Gates mentions some new info that I have not heard.
 

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I didn't know Bantus pioneered iron smelting in Central Africa and transfered it to Meroe. God damn Africa really birthed the human experience. A black queen had her people step on the head of Augustus Caesar. No wonder cacs hate our excellence on every side :blessed::obama:
 
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The Swahili coast is my favorite African civilization. I touched base on the Swahili coast here.
Lets Talk African History: The Swahili Coast

I hope Gates mentions some new info that I have not heard.

Thanks brah. Me too bro, collectively, nobody can touch the merchants of East Africa. Pure hustlers, you see it in Tanzania and Uganda and Kenya too, in the Mombasa. Kismayu, where I hail in the South of Somalia was originally a Swahili port town. A lot of ethnic Bantus and other minorities like Persian and Arabs are in southern regions of Somalia like the port cities of Merca and Barawe. Research the Biimaal revolt against the Italians. Also, the great Ajuran Empire which prevented Portuguese expansion in Somalia. The coastline of the Horn is fascinating. You are my favorite poster.
 

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Thanks brah. Me too bro, collectively, nobody can touch the merchants of East Africa. Pure hustlers, you see it in Tanzania and Uganda and Kenya too, in the Mombasa. Kismayu, where I hail in the South of Somalia was originally a Swahili port town. A lot of ethnic Bantus and other minorities like Persian and Arabs are in southern regions of Somalia like the port cities of Merca and Barawe. Research the Biimaal revolt against the Italians. Also, the great Ajuran Empire which prevented Portuguese expansion in Somalia. The coastline of the Horn is fascinating. You are my favorite poster.


Thanks!

So does the bolded confirm that Swahili Bantus extended into Southern Somalia?
 

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Thanks!

So does the bolded confirm that Swahili Bantus extended into Southern Somalia?

Somalis were always there. But they became the majority in 19th century due migration from the northeast of Somalia. All the major clan patriarchs are buried in the north. My own clan, the Marehan migrated to Jubbaland in the last 200-250 years due to the Somali pastoral lifestyle. So, yes but Somalis were there but not in massive numbers til the 19th century in the southeast but southwest was always controlled by Somalis since the 800s BCE due to interior trade:

"A Kismayo news-correspondent formulated a theoretical account (date: 1914) detailing the reason why a section of Marehan migrated to the area of Jubbaland in the late 19th century. The account was published in the British newspaper the Guardian (1914). However, the report contains several in-accuracies not to mention the anti-Sayid sentiment. I am not going to address all the errors but I will address the major fabrication. The author claimed that the Reer Guuri (original colonizers) Marehan joined the Darawiish movement for the sole reason of looting the 'friendly tribes'. This claim (altough not new) has been several times by the British Empire to discredit the national Darawiish movement and obfuscate its real aims. Nevertheless I will list the account for the purpose of historical research" :

The Tribal Disturbances in Jubaland

Origin of the Marehan Trouble

An interesting account of the origin of the trouble with the Marehan tribe in Jubaland, British East Africa, is given by the Kismayu correspondent of the East African Standard. The Marehan were until recently located in the Hinterland of Northern Somaliland. The Mullah induced them to join with him in an attack on the friendlies, promising them a fair share of the arms he hoped to capture. These arms had been supplied to the friendlies by the British authorities in order that they might defend themselves against such antive enemies when the British forces were withdrawn to the coast. The Mullah, however, took good card, as usual, that the Marehan got little of the precious loot, though they had done a good deal of the fighting. Fearing further spoliation if they remained in his vicnicity, the tribe decided to move south across the Hinterland of Italian East Africa and to settle down in Jubaland, in Northern British East Africa. They were obliged to the Juba river near Serenli, 300 miles from the coast, as the district below that point was already occupied by the Ogaden tribe, with whom they were at feud. It was not until they had been established for some time in their new country to to the north of Serenli that the authorities discovered that they possessed arms and ammunition, and were gathering more from Abbyssinia. They were summoned to give up their arms, but refused to do so unless other tribes, including their enemies, the Ogaden, were forced to do likewise. There is a good deal of inter-tribal fighting in this region. The tribes trade cattle for rifles with the Abbysinians, and also there are only two or three British posts over a frontier line of about 600 miles, the smuggling of the weapons presents little difficulty. The Marehan were told that a general disarmament could not be effected as yet. This caused much dissatisfaction among them, and when reinforcements arrived from the garrison at Serenli, they not unnaturally thought they were to be attacked, and determined to be the first to take the offensive.

The correspondent suggests that the immigration of these Somali tribes should be prevented by the establishment of a chain of block-houses along the border and the utilisation as auxiliaries of such tribes as the Ogaden, and further, that measures should be taken at Addis Abeba and along the Abyssinian frontier to prevent the smuggling of arms--Press Association.

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Jubaland and Its Inhabitants on JSTOR

1913: Jubaland and Its Inhabitants – The Marehan, Ogaden, and Harti Somali are all strongly represented in Jubaland.By F. ELLIOTT, A.S.P…
 
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