Paying for a first date is the biggest sucker move

[KinksandCoils]

But opinions are like @ssholes, everyone has one...but some stink and others are great. Guess which ones your @sshole

Great. I'm in a room full of a$$holes

 

[YouLoveMe]

Great. I'm in a room full of @ssholes

Shut up!

 

[KinksandCoils]

Shut up!

 

[Sonic Boom of the South]

nikkas cant even pay for dates and shyt

 

[kevm3]

Dates are a reward and a privilege, not the price of access. If a woman likes you, she's not going to require you to take her to dinner, point blank. You think the majority of these women demanding free dinner from the average man don't go to the club, see some dude she thinks is extra fly and get taken to a hotel afterwards without him having to wine and dine? If a woman sees a man she really likes from head to toe, there's no such thing as you better wine and dine me. She's thinking more along the lines of, "What can I do to get with him?" If a woman is charging you for her time, you aren't really all that tight to her. Move on and find a woman that digs you more. Dinners, movies, etc. that you pay for are a privilege that you bestow upon a woman who is all about you, and not as a payment to 'get an interview' with her.

 

[Turbulent]

Nobody said it was on that serious of a level. It's more like a person looking at you crazy and your like what the fukk are you looking at but your just thinking it. Actions mean a lot.

you choose the meaning you give to actions. If i ask you if you want to see a movie with me and i don't pay for your ticket, maybe i choose not to pay cause i don't care for you like that yet but still curious enough to get to know you. or maybe i'm trying to get over on you. if you,re curious enough about getting to know me, you won't trip over paying your 10$ ticket just like i won't trip about paying mine. if it's a turn off to you, it just means that you're not feeling me that much and that's cool too. you've already stated you don't pursue dudes even if you are interested in them and that at the same time you want to be pursued. you want to be a prize. that's cool. one day maybe you'll meet a man who you feel is worth pursuing as much as he's pursuing you. and it's actually a beautiful thing when that happens cause ironically, all this "who pays" nonsense just solves itself organically. everything seems natural. what friends think on both sides (did he pay? did she give it up? in how much time? is she a hoe? is he a simp?) all those stupid questions people ask from the sidelines become irrelevant because the foundation of mutual respect and attraction is built. no games being played, no one trying to 1up the other one. it's really a beautiful thing once you let go of the mask and learn to be honest with people but most importantly with yourself. Learn to forgive yourself and be at peace within. then you can attract people on the same vibe as you and create your own happiness.

lol, sorry for getting all hippy on you but this might be the realest post i ever wrote...

 

[Turbulent]

Dates are a reward and a privilege, not the price of access. If a woman likes you, she's not going to require you to take her to dinner, point blank. You think the majority of these women demanding free dinner from the average man don't go to the club, see some dude she thinks is extra fly and get taken to a hotel afterwards without him having to wine and dine? If a woman sees a man she really likes from head to toe, there's no such thing as you better wine and dine me. She's thinking more along the lines of, "What can I do to get with him?" If a woman is charging you for her time, you aren't really all that tight to her. Move on and find a woman that digs you more. Dinners, movies, etc. that you pay for are a privilege that you bestow upon a woman who is all about you, and not as a payment to 'get an interview' with her.

and that's what it comes down to. if a chick is really digging you, she won't mind paying for her meal and even my meal. same thing goes if i'm digging her back it will just be natural. 20$ won't even matter cause it goes deeper than that. problem is, most dudes choose chicks that havent chosen them yet. so now they're stuck in a place where they are trying to impress a chick. trying to show their "gentlemeness", trying to make her choose them. see he's not paying cause he wants to do something nice to you or because he's generous. he's paying because he's trying to influence your feelings and your impression of him. people think it's an indicator of generosity, i call BS. If you're so hung up in how things seem, don't be surprised if you attract the guy that will try his hardest to seem like a gentleman and then you get played.

 

[KinksandCoils]

you choose the meaning you give to actions. If i ask you if you want to see a movie with me and i don't pay for your ticket, maybe i choose not to pay cause i don't care for you like that yet but still curious enough to get to know you. or maybe i'm trying to get over on you. if you,re curious enough about getting to know me, you won't trip over paying your 10$ ticket just like i won't trip about paying mine. if it's a turn off to you, it just means that you're not feeling me that much and that's cool too. you've already stated you don't pursue dudes even if you are interested in them and that at the same time you want to be pursued. you want to be a prize. that's cool. one day maybe you'll meet a man who you feel is worth pursuing as much as he's pursuing you. and it's actually a beautiful thing when that happens cause ironically, all this "who pays" nonsense just solves itself organically. everything seems natural. what friends think on both sides (did he pay? did she give it up? in how much time? is she a hoe? is he a simp?) all those stupid questions people ask from the sidelines become irrelevant because the foundation of mutual respect and attraction is built. no games being played, no one trying to 1up the other one. it's really a beautiful thing once you let go of the mask and learn to be honest with people but most importantly with yourself. Learn to forgive yourself and be at peace within. then you can attract people on the same vibe as you and create your own happiness.

lol, sorry for getting all hippy on you but this might be the realest post i ever wrote...

Just pay or dont pay geez ! If i prefer a guy to pay on the first date that's me. If you prefer not to for whatever reason that's you. It's no point going back and forth anymore. I accept your opinion I just don't agree with you. And to everything else you said I'm not even going to bother with it because it all boils down to it being the end of the world for the guy to pay.

 

[Turbulent]

Just pay or dont pay geez ! If i prefer a guy to pay on the first date that's me. If you prefer not to for whatever reason that's you. It's no point going back and forth anymore. I accept your opinion I just don't agree with you. And to everything else you said I'm not even going to bother with it because it all boils down to it being the end of the world for the guy to pay.

lol, that's what i've been saying from the beginning. people will attract who they should attract. i don't care if women want dudes to pay, that's cool and it's your right. the only reason i quoted you is to point out the faulty reasoning and pretense behind it. but by no means am i saying women shouldn't have the right to only date guys who pay for them.

again as Patrice would say, "I'm providing another option to these women."

 

[Turbulent]

the bottom line is that women don't want to pay because they don't have to and most men buy into that entitlement they have. why would they change that when it's not to their advantage to change it. and that's cool. i understand the feeling behind it. All i'm saying is, let's cut the bullshyt reasoning behind it and call it what it is. it has nothing to do with showing signs of generosity. it has nothing to do with back in the days. it has nothing to do with any of that. what it comes down to is ego and a double-standard in your favor and you don't want to change it. and again, that's cool. we have ego as well. we have double standards in our favor as well. just be real with yourself about it, that's all. cut the phony reasoning. you want to be chased, wined and dined and have the juice. just be real about it...or don't be real about it

 

[Jahmal]

My dikk is worth more than her p*ssy. She should be paying for me.

 

[KinksandCoils]

lol, that's what i've been saying from the beginning. people will attract who they should attract. i don't care if women want dudes to pay, that's cool and it's your right. the only reason i quoted you is to point out the faulty reasoning and pretense behind it. but by no means am i saying women shouldn't have the right to only date guys who pay for them.

again as Patrice would say, "I'm providing another option to these women."

Then you are calling a lot of people's views faulty. Sure a lot of men don't pay sometimes but overall it's still recognized that the man typically will pay first date. You think a dad is going to want his little girl on a first date with a guy who doesnt pay for her? He isn't. All I was saying is I prefer this and stop acting like what I was saying is a foreign concept......end of discussion. We can't agree Hun. It's ok

 

[KinksandCoils]

the bottom line is that women don't want to pay because they don't have to and most men buy into that entitlement they have. why would they change that when it's not to their advantage to change it. and that's cool. i understand the feeling behind it. All i'm saying is, let's cut the bullshyt reasoning behind it and call it what it is. it has nothing to do with showing signs of generosity. it has nothing to do with back in the days. it has nothing to do with any of that. what it comes down to is ego and a double-standard in your favor and you don't want to change it. and again, that's cool. we have ego as well. we have double standards in our favor as well. just be real with yourself about it, that's all. cut the phony reasoning. you want to be chased, wined and dined and have the juice. just be real about it...or don't be real about it

Yes it's a double standard...it doesn't really have to make sense. But I personally don't know any guy who feels like they shouldn't pay I know guys that don't want to pay. And may not pay but they know that's how it goes. And at the end of the day it's not that serious to them like it is to some people up here.

Sam double standard when it comes to women cooking I see up here all the time guys saying my women needs to be able to cook. So just because she has a vagina that means she should have to do all the cooking? Same concept different scenario . I'm just saying this. I'm not trying to start another argument. I accept your opinion I just don't agree.

 

[KinksandCoils]

My dikk is worth more than her p*ssy. She should be paying for me.

Of course your dikk is worth more to you because it's yours. And it should be

 

[Youseenmywork]

I havent gon on a date in sometime now. But what i notice is that women really dont work hard as a man to develop himself and to be desireable....then again they dont have to. Men work on charm and charisma and other things that make our personality/character shine. Women there chrisma and allure is how beautful they are or what they wear. Most women personalities are as dull as a door knob with all due respect to the door knob. I work like other men so much on myself and all I hear is what Im not. Im not really intrested in dating cause I dont like being the guy jumping threw all these hoops to get the girl and she isnt working as hard as im am its usually a one sided affair ...Im wiser at (29) than I was at 21 I thought at 21 you always paid for the date I cant beleive what type of young man I used to be but Im still learning but women get away with a lot cause of simp nikkas for everyone guy thats going to stand up for thr right MANLY thing it 25 simp before you are after you that make half these women worse . Its just all around a dirty game man .