Paul Pierce attempts to explain why Lebron isn’t a top 5 player

[GOAT]

I remember when Bron came to Boston in game 6 down 3-2 and proceeded to hand Geriatric (dealing with sprained MCLs and Hip Pointers) PP and Garnett their asses literally by himself

Fixed

 

[NYC Rebel]

They weren't there in '99, still won

They were role players in '03, still won


They were all star reserve caliber in '05 and '07, still won.

The one constant? Duncan was an MVP caliber, top 5 player each of those years. Kawhi wasn't who he was now back in the Duncan years either.

99 had trash teams. They beat he bum ass Knicks.

And Pop was still there.

AGain...you are a dude who said Pop, Ginobili, Kawahi are easily replaceable.

No need for me to continue. Just another example of how ass cheeks NBA discussions continue to be.

 

[GOAT]

99 had trash teams. They beat he bum ass Knicks.

And Pop was still there.

AGain...you are a dude who said Pop, Ginobili, Kawahi are easily replaceable.

No need for me to continue. Just another example of how ass cheeks NBA discussions continue to be.

I didn't say "easily" replaceable. I said replaceable. And they were. You need an MVP to win a title. Duncan filled that void. None of them did. Once you have that, a competent organization can build a perennial title contender around that.

 

[FromStLouis]

Kobe. "I like my rings the hard way."

 

[LexDiamonds]

Like I said, Pierce is bitter that as soon as Lebron had competent teammates he beat him 3 straight times and shut his window for ever.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Do you also make a case for John Stockton being number 1 all time in Steals and number 1 all time in Assists as well? That is 1 player is number 1 all time in 2 of the top 5 statistical categories.

It makes a case for Stockton being the greatest pure pg ever

Does that make him the best point guard

it gives him a case

or a top 10 player of all time?

stockton doesn't have the the mvps and titles to be a top 10 player but he is a top 5 pg all time

I never really understood this argument with counting stats.

longevity matters

Lebron has been playing for 17 seasons, has 3 rings and won 2 of his 3 rings on a created superteam.

Miami was no superteam after 2011. Wade was never "Flash" after that year

All of his other rivals for all time great status have either won more or won similar in a shorter time period.

none of his rivals have 3 finals mvps and 4 Mvps

What is your case for him being ahead of Duncan if you have one.

of of what I just posted

Duncan does have 5 titles but only 3 finals mvps in those wins

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lebron had a higher peak with 2 more reg season mvps

 

[NYC Rebel]

I didn't say "easily" replaceable. I said replaceable. And they were. You need an MVP to win a title. Duncan filled that void. None of them did. Once you have that, a competent organization can build a perennial title contender around that.

They weren't replaceable. Who cares if easy was used or not. I don't get the point of needing an MVP to win a title when that's a given for the players we are talking about. One thing we know the Spurs always had was a team culture developed by their HOF coach.

Again....the lack of nuance in basketball discussions are why they're so trash. Bron doesn't have to be in one's top 5. Who cares. Paul's rational is ass.

Bill Russell did not build the Celtics. Red did.

Magic did not build the Lakers. He joined a team with the all time leading scorer.

Paul's rationale is straight garbage.

 

[LexDiamonds]

Kobe. "I like my rings the hard way."

God rest his soul but Kobe was a robin for 3. Rings just aren't weighted the same as when you win as the man.

 

[Swagnificent]

Its interesting how NBA players go out of their way to defend Kobe from the media by saying he's easily top 5. While NBA players also go out of their way to point out how the media overrates LeBron.

I'll trust the guys who competed against these guys on the court over white boys in the media that never played competitive sports in their lives.

 

[High quality poster]

God rest his soul but Kobe was a robin for 3. Rings just aren't weighted the same as when you win as the man.

So was Kareem if this is your line of thinking.

 

[ISO]

Pierce mad LeBron going to Miami killed their chances of reaching the Finals again

The Celtics were supposed to win more than one championship

He loved beating LeBron when it was 3-4 All-Stars to one

LeBron busted his ass so many times gave him so many 30 and 40 pieces

They wanted 2012 so bad

 

[Swagnificent]

He has the media excessively promoting his standing (and Klutch plays a part in it, its not coincidental). He also has a host of 30-35 cac media people and journalists on his dikk because they seem to think the NBA started with him.

And I don't even hate Bron at all. Its just this nonsense that surrounds him that turns the neutral fan away from appreciating him.

This.

The media propoganda promoting LeBron is disgusting. Especially when you compare it to his contemporaries like Kobe and Shaq who actually get more hate than love from the media.

Its makes me wonder exactly what is LeBron and Klutch doing for them for such positive press.

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

I have Bron as top 10. He’s got a great argument for top 3-5 but I don’t put him there.

 

[LexDiamonds]

Its interesting how NBA players go out of their way to defend Kobe from the media by saying he's easily top 5. While NBA players also go out of their way to point out how the media overrates LeBron.

I'll trust the guys eho competed against these guys on the court over white boys in the media that never played competitive sports in their lives.

I agree with you that more players favor Kobe but that sentiment can change a bit as Lebron's career comes to an end. Jalen Rose has Lebron higher than Kobe right now and Barnes, Jackson, and Carter have said recently that if he gets 1 more ring he'll pass Kobe in their minds but still be below MJ.

 

[viktordoomsecretwars]

It makes a case for Stockton being the greatest pure pg ever





it gives him a case




stockton doesn't have the the mvps and titles to be a top 10 player but he is a top 5 pg all time




longevity matters



Miami was no superteam after 2011. Wade was never "Flash" after that year




none of his rivals have 3 finals mvps and 4 Mvps





of of what I just posted

Duncan does have 5 titles but only 3 finals mvps in those wins

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lebron had a higher peak with 2 more reg season mvps

If you're going to change my initial response from best point guard to best "pure" point guard then that is dishonest because you're automatically excluding a lot of players. That excludes Steph. That excludes Iverson and Oscar Robertson. And in terms of "pure" point guards, you'll be hard pressed to make a case for Stockton over Magic and Isiah Thomas.

As for your point about longevity matters , does it only matter when it comes to Lebron? Because Tim Duncan also played for 19 seasons but no Duncan fan uses that as an argument for why he should be top 5. Kobe Bryant played for 20 seasons and was 3rd all time scoring, Kobe fans don't use that as a reason why he should be top 5.

Now you want to say Miami was not a superteam when Lebron James clearly thought he had created a superteam :

He thought he was going to win more rings than Jordan and Kobe.

As for Duncan winning "only 3 Finals MVP's" , you do realize that's the tied for 2nd most in NBA history?

I don't care about the MVP award. The criteria changes from time to time and no one knows what's its about. Is it an award for best player or best player in the best team? Kareem won it in 1976 when his team didn't even make the playoffs. Nash has the same amount of MVP's as Shaq and Kobe combined.

And that deflates the gas from that graph you brought up.