Paul Pierce attempts to explain why Lebron isn’t a top 5 player

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My beef ain't with someone who says Lebron is second best overall. My beef is when someone acts like it's blasphemy to not have him as the second best player of all time. Lebron has done nothing to separate himself from Kareem, Magic, Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Bird, Wilt, or Russell. He hasn't dominated his era with titles, with stats, so how is it a lock that he's the second best ever.
Its true. A lot of it is based on his MVPs and Kobe could have easily had 2 or 3 more. Seems like the league punished him after the rape scandal.

The 16 Cavs ring is what makes Lebron unique though. He won against an all time great team with almost no help.

Thats something Magic, Shaq, Kobe, Duncan Bird Wilt Kareem and Russell did not do. Its an entirely unique achievement.
 

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Do you also make a case for John Stockton being number 1 all time in Steals and number 1 all time in Assists as well? That is 1 player is number 1 all time in 2 of the top 5 statistical categories. Does that make him the best point guard or a top 10 player of all time? Or did he just play for a long ass time. I never really understood this argument with counting stats.

Lebron has been playing for 17 seasons, has 3 rings and won 2 of his 3 rings on a created superteam. All of his other rivals for all time great status have either won more or won similar in a shorter time period.

What is your case for him being ahead of Duncan if you have one.

Dirk got one titles why he consider amongst the Greatest
he played for 21 years
 

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because only rings matter ... I acknowledge all of what you said

but If I constantly beat children's asses and then get slept by a 250lbs 6'5 grown man
that doesnt make me a fukking finisher. You have to win when it counts dipshyt :mindblown: who the fukk cares about what you do when you constantly lose or miss in the title game.
I dont give a fukk if you do a backflip and dunk over carlos boozer 5x in a row during the semi's if you still dont win a ring. I thought you were dope, what the fukk happened?


if you are the greatest "playoff" gamewinning closer then explain why you are getting fukking wrecked when it matters?

So is Pippen > Kobe, Hakeem, Duncan?
 

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When will you dumbass nikkas understand that championships are a Team accomplishment? You put Jordan on a team that only surrounds him with trash. He aint winning shyt either. Would that make him any less of a player?
The problem is that outside of like 2 seasons people act like Bron has been surrounded by trash. That's the disconnect.
 

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The problem is that outside of like 2 seasons people act like Bron has been surrounded by trash. That's the disconnect.
Bron made sure he wasn't surrounded by trash. The point is, folks criticize him for doing so using his own hands, which is stupid.

Paul is stupid for putting it on Bron to "have faith" in the Cavs putting good players around him.

I simply don't get it.
 
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Its true. A lot of it is based on his MVPs and Kobe could have easily had 2 or 3 more. Seems like the league punished him after the rape scandal.

The 16 Cavs ring is what makes Lebron unique though. He won against an all time great team with almost no help.

Thats something Magic, Shaq, Kobe, Duncan Bird Wilt Kareem and Russell did not do. Its an entirely unique achievement.
:pachaha::pachaha::pachaha:
 

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No...they won because the Spurs put players around that franchise cornerstone.

You REALLY going to say Duncan did it alone?

Never mind a HOF coach.

Nevermind HOF Tony Parker

Nevermind HOF Ginobili

Nevermind HOF Kwahi.

NBA discussions are pure trash. This is another example of how they're built on stupidity.
How you gone complain about NBA discussions and then throw this empty bullshyt out there like you're making a great point. Breakdown Duncan's titles.
1999 - won with a past his prime David Robinson and washed Sean Elliott as his next best players
2003 - Manu and Tony weren't near their prime yet and at the time Stephen Jackson was looked at as the second best player on the team. Took down loaded Lakers and Mavs teams. Second leading scorer in the playoffs and regular season averaged 14 points a game. That team was all based around Duncan.
2005 - Same thing. Manu and Tony Parker had improved but it was still a "system" based around throwing it to Duncan and building everything off of that. And the rest of that roster was straight trash minus Bruce Bowen.
2007 - First time Parker and Manu really were playing like HOFs and the ball wasn't always in Duncan's hand. Begin the true transition into the Spurs system they came to be known for.
2014 - The 2014 title is the first one where you can really say Duncan had the kind of help Lebron had for the majority of his career. Even then Kawhi wasn't a HOF level player yet he just was still just an up and comer. Duncan, Manu, and Parker were all past their prime.

It's levels to HOF players and it's crazy to compare Wade, Bosh, and Kyrie to Tony Parker and Manu as if that equals the same type of help. Love maybe over them too. A lot of those Spurs rosters were garbage and only made to look useful due to Duncan drawing attention on offense and playing great D to cover up for mistakes .
 
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because only rings matter ... I acknowledge all of what you said

but If I constantly beat children's asses and then get slept by a 250lbs 6'5 grown man
that doesnt make me a fukking finisher. You have to win when it counts dipshyt :mindblown: who the fukk cares about what you do when you constantly lose or miss in the title game.
I dont give a fukk if you do a backflip and dunk over carlos boozer 5x in a row during the semi's if you still dont win a ring. I thought you were dope, what the fukk happened?


if you are the greatest "playoff" gamewinning closer then explain why you are getting fukking wrecked when it matters?
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How you gone complain about NBA discussions and then throw this empty bullshyt out there like you're making a great point. Breakdown Duncan's titles.
1999 - won with a past his prime David Robinson and washed Sean Elliott as his next best players
2003 - Manu and Tony weren't near their prime yet and at the time Stephen Jackson was looked at as the second best player on the team. Took down loaded Lakers and Mavs teams. Second leading scorer in the playoffs and regular season averaged 14 points a game. That team was all based around Duncan.
2005 - Same thing. Manu and Tony Parker had improved but it was still a "system" based around throwing it to Duncan and building everything off of that. And the rest of that roster was straight trash minus Bruce Bowen.
2007 - First time Parker and Manu really were playing like HOFs and the ball wasn't always in Duncan's hand. Begin the true transition into the Spurs system they came to be known for.
2014 - The 2014 title is the first one where you can really say Duncan had the kind of help Lebron had for the majority of his career. Even then Kawhi wasn't a HOF level player yet he just was still just an up and comer. Duncan, Manu, and Parker were all past their prime.

It's levels to HOF players and it's crazy to compare Wade, Bosh, and Kyrie to Tony Parker and Manu as if that equals the same type of help. Love maybe over them too. A lot of those Spurs rosters were garbage and only made to look useful due to Duncan drawing attention on offense and playing great D to cover up for mistakes .
Because I did make a great point. How is it that you posted all of that shyt and purposely ignored Greg Popovich? Where is he? You going to mention him? And you going chastise me about saying these discussions are empty yet your post is empty on him?

the Spurs are one of the few NBA teams where when you come in you buy into their team culture. And those players I mentioned wore that culture to the hall of fame. From the top on down, they are a top notch organization.

So tell me....how on earth does Bron get criticized for not walking into that situation, like all the names Paul mentioned?

your point is asscheeks just as much as Paul’s.
 
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Good graphic. Needs to be updated with Kawhi and his 7 trophies and KD’s 8.
 

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I’m still so sad and shocked Kobe died right after Lebron passed him in points like that same night

That’s on of the biggest things why Kobe Bean ain’t dead in mind

Also Big Three Celtics formed like voltron the summer after Lebron lost in the finals Paul Pierce himself stated he was looking to be traded at that point so from 2008 to 2010 Lebron didn’t make the finals from 2011 until 2018 he did even changing teams.

This top five talk is horrible because it’s the media’s fault in addition to the league how things are presented case in point the seventies with the ABA, it was an explosion of black talent that the 60’s didn’t have because up to a certain point teams were only having two black players, the players were taken advantage of, among other things they always say the league was “too black“ ignoring the accomplishments of greats like Dr.J who even upon entering the NBA was competing at the top, in addition the ways the distributed the talent using where you born to decide the team you had to play for in many cases is gross to think about. Another thing the league and media did was pick the year of 1985 as the modern NBA and only putting things before that to fit an agenda by doing that more players along with their accomplishments and moments were forgotten. The league technically started in 1947 and the first non white was an Japanese American. The first black player was in 1950 with one being on a championship team in 1955 that same year the first great black player to be Maurice Stokes but once again the league and media push this 1985 shyt. Another example of the league and media being scandalous is the 1980 NBA Finals Kareem got hurt and wasn’t able to fly and the Lakers won the game the Finals MVP was given to Magic but it’s never framed with the truth. The media is biased and when you watch sports shows they seem to all have come from Boston, Chicago, New York, and Los Angeles, and Dallas. The never talk about how it wasn’t until 1988 free agency was a thing nor do they talk about how contract structures changed over time. Now a days you know a guy on a team is going to leave because you know the team just gave another guy the supermax. To know the game you have to see the game beyond what the league and media want you to see. Now a days players can create ways To tell their stories and teach the game but the media and league don’t like it because they don’t want to share the power. We watched a doc where MJ viewed everything as a slight as was called a killer but let a gentleman by the name of Kevin Durant tweet back at an analytical cac about how if the midrange is the open shot why pass it for a semi contested three and how the players are forced to go only for lay ups and threes he’s called sensitive. Coming back from his first championship he was quoted as saying
“It’s just a part of the evolution that I’m going through,” Durant told ESPN. “I’ll be the first to admit that I’m not perfect. I don’t have all the answers. It will probably take the offseason for me to assess, ‘OK, let’s figure out how to tone this down a little.’ But I’m comfortable sharing this because all I care about is that,” he said as he pointed to the practice court.

“I love this game, and I’m going to do whatever I can to help my team get back to where we were last year. That’s what I’m excited for. That’s why you’re seeing this passion from me. Before, I used to care about the game and the lifestyle. Now, all I care about is my love for the game, the pureness of the game. This is me.”

“It’s just my emotions and passion for the game,” Durant said after Friday’s practice session. “After winning that championship (last season), I learned that much hadn’t changed. I thought it would fill a certain [void]. It didn’t. That’s when I realized in the offseason that the only thing that matters is this game and how much work you put into it. Everything else off the court, social media, perception, isn’t important. What people say, how they view you, it’s not important.

“What we did as a team was special, and I want to experience that again. My love and passion for the game has [blossomed] because I understand that’s what it’s all about, and I’m pouring all of this [newfound thirst] into this game. But I know I have to keep [my fire] under control, and I will.” But the headline was he was unfulfilled and used til this day to denigrate on the great Durant who by the age of 31 is a two time Olympic gold medal winner, two time NBA champion, two time NBA Finals MVP, two time all star game MVP, 10 time all star,1 MVP, 6 time All NBA first team, Rookie of the year with 22,940 points scored shooting 49.3/38.1/88.3 Averaging 27 points 4.1 assists 7 rebounds 1 block 1 steal
 

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Paul Pierce: "LeBron isn't in my TOP 5"

LeBron vs Pierce throughout his career.

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(H/T: The LeBron Factory)
I'd be upset too
 

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How you gone complain about NBA discussions and then throw this empty bullshyt out there like you're making a great point. Breakdown Duncan's titles.
1999 - won with a past his prime David Robinson and washed Sean Elliott as his next best players
2003 - Manu and Tony weren't near their prime yet and at the time Stephen Jackson was looked at as the second best player on the team. Took down loaded Lakers and Mavs teams. Second leading scorer in the playoffs and regular season averaged 14 points a game. That team was all based around Duncan.
2005 - Same thing. Manu and Tony Parker had improved but it was still a "system" based around throwing it to Duncan and building everything off of that. And the rest of that roster was straight trash minus Bruce Bowen.
2007 - First time Parker and Manu really were playing like HOFs and the ball wasn't always in Duncan's hand. Begin the true transition into the Spurs system they came to be known for.
2014 - The 2014 title is the first one where you can really say Duncan had the kind of help Lebron had for the majority of his career. Even then Kawhi wasn't a HOF level player yet he just was still just an up and comer. Duncan, Manu, and Parker were all past their prime.

It's levels to HOF players and it's crazy to compare Wade, Bosh, and Kyrie to Tony Parker and Manu as if that equals the same type of help. Love maybe over them too. A lot of those Spurs rosters were garbage and only made to look useful due to Duncan drawing attention on offense and playing great D to cover up for mistakes .
People basically just remember the second half of TD's career. Peak Duncan could go toe-to-toe with anybody.
 
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