He has no case against Jordan. He might have a case against the others but having a case doesn't make you consensus number 2. Do you believe that?
Also he can't be a GOAT himself is Jordan is clearly, demontrably by every measure a better player. I personally don't think its close between Jordan and anyone else. If anything, the passing of time undersells Jordan despite the fact he's universally considered the GOAT.
Lebron can be vice GOAT or arguably 2nd with 4 or 5 others. And so can Tim Duncan if you really stretch it. But Tim and the others don't have the media campaigning so it doesn't seem that way. And your initial post you were trying to make a case for why Lebron > Duncan but even you don't think its so convincing.
Oh no I'm definitely convinced LeBron is greater than Duncan, but that's not a debate I really need to have. I don't need to win every argument about it, I'm cool saying they both have an argument as greater than the other, because they both do---->but I do think Bron's is stronger...
Whether LeBron is #2 or not, I don't know. He's the greatest player I've ever seen. I recognize Jordan is #1 by popular opinion, my personal belief is it's hard to say someone is the greatest over every other GOAT because many GOATs don't play each other, so you can only say how guys were in their eras. But I ain't bothered by Jordan supporters, doesn't change that LeBron is the best I've seen and doesn't change the supporting metrics that put him eye-to-eye with Jordan...
They'll never get to play within the same era to make a definitive determination, so it is what it is. I've given this topic a LOT more play since the doc came out, than I gave it prior, and I wanted my points heard on the subject, but even I'm about done with it. It's all good with me any way someone wants it, cats on here just go way over the top pretending LeBron isn't worthy of GOAT discussion...
GOAT talk can never be open and shut by anyone, because Bill played in an era they didn't issue certain awards like FMVP and DPOY that would enhance his legacy even more, and played at a time that no one alive under the age of 65 can definitively say he
wasn't better than Mike, Bron, or whoever, yet we do it anyway; dude will always have more rings than anybody, and he ain't a consensus #1. It's all subjective, the more people can understand that, the fewer dumb hot takes we'll hear...
10s: LeBron
00s: Duncan/Kobe/Shaq
90s: Mike
80s: Magic/Bird
70s: Kareem
60s: Bill/Wilt
You really gotta break it down by era, and the greatest players of each era all have a case, period. Seems like every other era there's a guy who rises head and shoulders above the rest; every other era there's multiple guys who can stake claim to best player...
As it is in 2020, these are the 10 guys with the argument for GOAT. People can put them in any order they want, but they are the 10 guys with legitimate arguments and however they are numbered, is subject to personal biases (who you feel is better based on what you value), so it doesn't even matter how they are numbered. We know who the best were by era, and we know at this point in time ain't nobody BUT these 10 guys in the discussion...
