Pathetic: 14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's New Voucher Schools

[The Real]

vouchers are not establishing a religion and it doesnt impede practicing any religion

The question is more complicated than that, but unfortunately the body of case precedents on this issue is actually pretty inconsistent. The last major decision came in 2002 in the 5-4 decision, predictably broken down political lines, about whether religious schools could receive government money. The standard that is used is "excessive entanglement" between the government and any religious institution.

 

[theworldismine13]

Vouchers, since they involve direct government funding of private school tuition, violate the Constitution whenever the private school involved uses this money to pay for religious instruction. Simple and plain.

But these charter schools in Louisiana have been struck down by the courts as unconstitutional on other basis anyway.

its not that simple because its the parents choice, if the parents choice happens to be a religious school that has nothing to do with the government, that is why you can take your financial aid to any religious university

financial aid is a blind benefit, the government has no control over where you use your benefit as long as the university is accredited, it should be the same for elementary and high school

 

[ExodusNirvana]

The issue isn't religious schools, the issue is religious schools teaching children things that are by all accounts FALSE and downright detrimental to their participation in a modern society.

Modern Medicine is derived heavily from mankind's understanding of science. Mixing religion into the scientific world at such a young age is a recipe for disaster. It should be kept separate from the curriculum.

For example, if in health class or biology class you wanna mix in teaching abstinence and saving your bodies for marriage or whatever that's perfectly fine. Those are some religious beliefs.

Teaching children that dinosaurs and humans roamed the earth at the same time is fukking stupid and insane and WRONG. Not only did they NOT roam the earth at the same time but the very science that allows us to dig into the fukking earth for fossil fuels and understand the universe outside of earth pretty much confirms that there's no fukking way that humans and dinosaurs roamed the earth at the same time let alone the same era.

For crying out loud...there are ancient civilizations that are older than 5,000 years old you stupid c00ns. AFRICAN CIVILIZATIONS. How the fukk can you as a black man or a man of color stand behind something like this? Something that by all means would make your ancestors non-existent by their standards of time and history.

fukk. shyt is so frustrating....

 

[theworldismine13]

The issue isn't religious schools, the issue is religious schools teaching children things that are by all accounts FALSE and downright detrimental to their participation in a modern society.

Modern Medicine is derived heavily from mankind's understanding of science. Mixing religion into the scientific world at such a young age is a recipe for disaster. It should be kept separate from the curriculum.

For example, if in health class or biology class you wanna mix in teaching abstinence and saving your bodies for marriage or whatever that's perfectly fine. Those are some religious beliefs.

Teaching children that dinosaurs and humans roamed the earth at the same time is fukking stupid and insane and WRONG. Not only did they NOT roam the earth at the same time but the very science that allows us to dig into the fukking earth for fossil fuels and understand the universe outside of earth pretty much confirms that there's no fukking way that humans and dinosaurs roamed the earth at the same time let alone the same era.

For crying out loud...there are ancient civilizations that are older than 5,000 years old you stupid c00ns. AFRICAN CIVILIZATIONS. How the fukk can you as a black man or a man of color stand behind something like this? Something that by all means would make your ancestors non-existent by their standards of time and history.

fukk. shyt is so frustrating....

*yawn*

its a free country breh, relax

 

[Brown_Pride]

that's kinda besides the point. those "knowledgeable christians" aren't responsible for this nonsense in Louisiana



I used it as a running joke. Ned Flanders graduated from ORU

but the fact you know successful people from that school doesn't prove much. one of the criticisms of schools like that is that it's the 'easy road' for those get through life for those with money and/or connections. but I don't wanna get into the validity of all that. like I said, I used it as a running joke

and Homer didn't graduate at all

I don't see anything wrong with money going to a catholic or christian or muslim school, the parents pay taxes they should be able to decide how they want their kids educated. What i do find wrong though is the accreditation.

If you want to teach your children things that are devoid of science how can you be accredited? You can't that's how. There in lies the issue. You can't say you're providing a kid with an education when you're not.

Now, you might say, "but bp, you seam to be ok with christian schools" i'd say I am because it has been my experience, after having attended a Christian college myself, that you get two educations. one religious and one academical.

I took intro to many of these courses:
Introduction to Ministry
ntroduction to Church History
Special Topics in Church History
History of Modern Philosophy
Methods in Biblical Study
Old Testament Theology
New Testament Theology
Doctrine of Holiness
Senior Colloquium 1
Systematic Theology I
Systematic Theology II

I also took math through calculus, various accounting and business classes etc, etc.

2 things.
1. The religious courses played out more like civics courses/english courses. They were heavy into reading and were all but devoid of religious dogma in the sense that they were taught in a way that made you question things and arrive at them or simply as a study of "the bible".

2. My academic classes never focused on religion, they focused on the topic at hand.

Now, this may be a single experience, but in my visits to Oral Roberts and the recounting from friends their experiences were very similar.

It's not like my accounting prof was like, "and here's how Jesus amortized his loans..."

....
That being said, what these schools are attempting to do is mix these two seperate ideas. That is wrong. I learned about evolution in college...and it was...a christian college. (OMGWTF!!)

I recognize that this was 10 ought years ago, the point is that you can teach a kid BOTH religion and academics and NOT mingle the two.

 

[Brown_Pride]

oh and another thing....
If God = Truth and science seeks that truth then he who believes in God must desire to learn science, or at least understand that via science you can be brought closer to god.


The kicker is understanding that there is a supernatural aspect to God so while science may seek to find and explain God it will always fall short. IN the meantime it only makes sense to use science to help you better understand his creation.

 

[daze23]

and Homer didn't graduate at all

he has a degree in Nuclear Physics from Springfield University

 

[Brown_Pride]

he has a degree in Nuclear Physics from Springfield University

...that doesn't help your point

 

[daze23]

...that doesn't help your point

my point was that ORU was a running joke. I think the fact they chose that as Ned's school, while using a fictional school for Homer, bolsters that point

 

[Brown_Pride]

my point was that ORU was a running joke. I think the fact they chose that as Ned's school, while using a fictional school for Homer, bolsters that point

I get it's a joke but when you're using a joke from a cartoon as proof in your argument...well me thinks it's time to either check that argument or find a better point.

For what it's worth the campus is nuts

 

[daze23]

I get it's a joke but when you're using a joke from a cartoon as proof in your argument...well me thinks it's time to either check that argument or find a better point.

For what it's worth the campus is nuts

maybe I should have provided this as my proof

Spoiler

 

[Black Magisterialness]

time to throw the south in the bushes....i was gon hold on for the sake of Nawlins and Atlanta...but nah...

 

[the cac mamba]

Explain. How is this a threat to the country and on what level?

you just feel like you have to defend it because you believe in this idiotic bullshyt

it would pain idiots like you and mr somebody to admit that in 2013 a significant portion of your religion has been exposed as trash

i mean think about it. if you believe the bible is literally true, you believe the same things as these people and the things in this article

 

[Mowgli]

you just feel like you have to defend it because you believe in this idiotic bullshyt

it would pain idiots like you and mr somebody to admit that in 2013 a significant portion of your religion has been exposed as trash

i mean think about it. if you believe the bible is literally true, you believe the same things as these people and the things in this article

That want an answer to my question. Please stop being emotional and speak like you want respect.

 

[the cac mamba]

That want an answer to my question. Please stop being emotional and speak like you want respect.

"learning" such as this is not intellectually progressive. its that simple

this article disgusts me