Paid and Full: The Official 2019 Dallas Cowboys Season Thread

[Primetime21]

This team aint going to do shyt until they exercise the demons that cut and blackballed #88

 

[dtownreppin214]

I think they are willing and fully prepared to pay him but their reservation is Zeke’s off the field issue. If Zeke was a choir boy like Jalyon, he would have his deal by now.

Hes one domestic violence allegation away from being banned from the league

i'm sure there are some protections they can put in the contract if he gets in trouble. I just don't think they want to pay him. i think they intend to ride out these two years and one more franchise year. the issue at hand is they have a qb/offense heavily reliant on zeke. it would have been nice if they picked up a second back to take some leverage away from zeke. they should have went and got duke johnson. now the browns are going to want more from him.

 

[Codeine Bryant]

I think they are willing and fully prepared to pay him but their reservation is Zeke’s off the field issue. If Zeke was a choir boy like Jalyon, he would have his deal by now.

Hes one domestic violence allegation away from being banned from the league

Breh

Dak 32+
Zeke 15+
Amari 18+
DLaw 21
Jaylon 10-12+
LVE 10-12+
Tyron, Frederick, Martin contracts...

Plus the other guys to round out the 53 man roster. This shyt literally isn't possible.

Letting Byron walk would only be the first step of like 3 or 4 needed to get these guys all under the cap. And yes, I know LVE has 4 years left. But the way he's looking and likely to be All Pro in the near future, you have to start planning now.

You can't pay everyone. Our FO realizes this. Our fanbase is acting like things will just take care of themselves. It's gonna get real spooky real soon.

 

[Codeine Bryant]

I said id be reluctant to pay Zeke cause of his off the field shyt, but if im Zeke I wouldn’t budge. You not finna keep running me into the ground and not pay me. Damn sure not gonna take the risk of being franchised when that time comes either. Id sit out and management can take their chances with Dak n Garrett

Agreed. I understand both sides. FO has very justifiable reservations about paying Zeke. Both financial concerns (upcoming Dak, Amari, Jaylon extensions) and professional concerns. Plus the team has 2 years of control remaining. I could understand if he played out this year and THEN held out like Melvin, but after only 3 years? And you were suspended 6 games and almost just caught another suspension? Nah.

And I get his side, too. He knows as soon as he suits up, Garrett is going to run him into the ground to save his own job and try and get a division title and some playoff wins. Not just Garrett, I'm sure Jerry and Stephen are down, too. If they can get a SB appearance by giving Zeke 400 touches this year and next and letting him walk like Murray, they would do it in a heartbeat. So I totally get his holdout.

It just sucks that all these contract issues are coming all at once. None of them are staggered. They're essentially all together. DLaw, Zeke, Dak, Amari, Jaylon, Byron. On top of paying the OLine crazy money.

And our FO look like deer in headlights right now. They didn't plan for any of this shyt. Trading a pick for Amari who you gotta pay $18mil a year for looking real sus right now.

For the record, I love all these players. We have a great accumulation of talent. Front office should be commended for the job they've done this decade. But they're in quite the mess right now.

 

[BlueHeffner]

Breh

Dak 32+
Zeke 15+
Amari 18+
DLaw 21
Jaylon 10-12+
LVE 10-12+
Tyron, Frederick, Martin contracts...

Plus the other guys to round out the 53 man roster. This shyt literally isn't possible.

Letting Byron walk would only be the first step of like 3 or 4 needed to get these guys all under the cap. And yes, I know LVE has 4 years left. But the way he's looking and likely to be All Pro in the near future, you have to start planning now.

You can't pay everyone. Our FO realizes this. Our fanbase is acting like things will just take care of themselves. It's gonna get real spooky real soon.

Breh Stephen is the one that came out months ago and said they want Zeke here long term and that the starting point of negotiations is Gurleys contract.

Contract negotiations arent 1-2-3

It took them awhile to reach an agreement with:

Tank
Dez
Martin
Romo

Zeke is 23, durable, and our best player. This isnt a Demarco situation.

Spray Tan was 26, injury prone, and a one-year wonder when we let him go.

If the team didnt plan on paying him, they wouldve drafted another workhorse type back instead of Pollard. We literally have no one on this roster that can fill in nicely for Zeke

 

[El Coupeacabra]

Once again the season depends on:

1: Health:

2: Offensive Play Calling:

3: Guys who haven't ever stepped up big to step up big (looking at the homie Illoka)

But fukk it brehs, 12-4 and a Conference Finals berth.

Losses @ NO, @ NE, & VS NYG and one random 6int game from Dak.

 

[Codeine Bryant]

Breh Stephen is the one that came out months ago and said they want Zeke here long term and that the starting point of negotiations is Gurleys contract.

Contract negotiations arent 1-2-3

It took them awhile to reach an agreement with:

Tank
Dez
Martin
Romo

Zeke is 23, durable, and our best player. This isnt a Demarco situation.

Spray Tan was 26, injury prone, and a one-year wonder when we let him go.

If the team didnt plan on paying him, they wouldve drafted another workhorse type back instead of Pollard. We literally have no one on this roster that can fill in nicely for Zeke

Never said that I wanted to see him gone or FO should let him walk. This holdout is going to fukk up the early part of our season, though. And that's my main issue with it.

I don't see either side budging anytime soon. Both sides have validity to their stances.

If him missing games leads to Dak getting exposed, then that's as ideal of a situation you could hope for. But I don't think it really matters. Dak is full of himself and isn't giving any discounts. Even if we go 8-8 and he throws double digit INTs and makes no improvement, he and his agent are going to want 32+ a year for the two division titles while being paid peanuts. And Jerry doesn't have the balls to go through more Drew Henson and Chad Hutchinson years.

Only Garrett is in danger if Zeke holds out. And us, as fans, since the season would be a wash.

 

[dtownreppin214]

I'm saying. You don't spend first round picks on guys with the mindset of only keeping them 3-4 years. Any GM with that mindset should be shot dead.

You especially don't spend Top 5 picks on players you don't plan on retaining for 5-7 years. When you draft a guy Top 5, that guy is a cornerstone, not a recyclable asset. If you're drafting recyclable assets top 5, you're wasting valuable draft capital.

If we had drafted Ramsey, he would have been happy here wearing the Star and following in Deion's footsteps. No disgruntled shyt from being stuck in Jacksonville and playing with Bortles. He'd be an upper echelon corner and we would have no problems retaining him. Hell, he would have formed a good-great duo with Byron for 4 years and then we prob let Byron walk to pay Jalen. Simple.

With Elliott, the team and league are very reluctant to pay RBs franchise money. WHY THE fukk YOU DRAFT HIM AT 4 THEN. If you draft a RB top 10, the idea of having to pay him $40-60mil down the road should be baked into the decision. This isn't rocket science. This isn't Trent Richardson Bust scenario. You draft a guy thinking he's going to be your Gurley/LeVeon/AD/Ladanian, expect to pay him as such.

This front office apparently didn't realize that. Or they didn't plan for it. Idk what the fukk they were thinking. Now they look like idiots. Why the fukk you drafting a RB at 4 hoping he's a franchise cornerstone and why the fukk you trading a 1st for a WR1 who you think is a top 10 wideout in the league if you're not prepared or able to pay them? That's the thing that baffles me in all of this.

They had great foresight with the OL. Drafted em, hit on em, locked em up. Same with DLaw. Looks like it's going to be the same with the LBs. Hopefully...

The offensive skill positions though... They made shortsighted moves with Elliott and Cooper and now we're high-key fukked because of it.

Most importantly, fukk Dak Prescott. He's going to tank his own career and this franchise cause he cares more about an extra $3-5mil AAV than keeping high-end talent around him. High-end talent his pathetic noodle arm bytch ass desperately needs.

From Day 1, I feared this day with Zeke. Incredible talent, but he's a hothead off the field and takes brutal hits on the field. I do not feel comfortable giving him another deal. Maybe if he maintained the same burst he had his 1st year and he was a choir boy who took his physical condition seriously like Saquon, maybe then I'd be ok with extending him. But yeah I always felt more comfortable with Ramsey b/c cornerbacks can play at a high level into their 30's. He also would have embraced the Star and everything that comes with it.

 

[DaPresident]

My nikka @Codeine Fiend Dream Team speaking nothing but real.

The FO did a great job gathering talent but did NOT factor in the contracts too much (at least that's how it seems) and you right dawg, this about to be ugly after this year.

Hell, if they don't get to work, this gon be a very shaky year too! I'm saying, they HAD to plan for all this, right?!!! Got to get this under control. The moves they gotta make to make this all possible are going to be monumental. I just hope we can keep Zeke, Coop, and Jaylon...I have to see how Dak is going to do this year to determine how I honestly feel about him.


And just curious as to why cats so stuck on Dez? Dude was cool, but was on the tail end of his career. I'm glad we got Coop. Nothing against Dez but I just don't see him like y'all do I guess

Curious to see how Cobb is going to impact the WR group also. He could be a big time key moving forward this year. May open up a lot downfield if he's strong in the slot/underneath...

 

[Rell84shots]

I'm saying. You don't spend first round picks on guys with the mindset of only keeping them 3-4 years. Any GM with that mindset should be shot dead.

You especially don't spend Top 5 picks on players you don't plan on retaining for 5-7 years. When you draft a guy Top 5, that guy is a cornerstone, not a recyclable asset. If you're drafting recyclable assets top 5, you're wasting valuable draft capital.

If we had drafted Ramsey, he would have been happy here wearing the Star and following in Deion's footsteps. No disgruntled shyt from being stuck in Jacksonville and playing with Bortles. He'd be an upper echelon corner and we would have no problems retaining him. Hell, he would have formed a good-great duo with Byron for 4 years and then we prob let Byron walk to pay Jalen. Simple.

With Elliott, the team and league are very reluctant to pay RBs franchise money. WHY THE fukk YOU DRAFT HIM AT 4 THEN. If you draft a RB top 10, the idea of having to pay him $40-60mil down the road should be baked into the decision. This isn't rocket science. This isn't Trent Richardson Bust scenario. You draft a guy thinking he's going to be your Gurley/LeVeon/AD/Ladanian, expect to pay him as such.

This front office apparently didn't realize that. Or they didn't plan for it. Idk what the fukk they were thinking. Now they look like idiots. Why the fukk you drafting a RB at 4 hoping he's a franchise cornerstone and why the fukk you trading a 1st for a WR1 who you think is a top 10 wideout in the league if you're not prepared or able to pay them? That's the thing that baffles me in all of this.

They had great foresight with the OL. Drafted em, hit on em, locked em up. Same with DLaw. Looks like it's going to be the same with the LBs. Hopefully...

The offensive skill positions though... They made shortsighted moves with Elliott and Cooper and now we're high-key fukked because of it.

Most importantly, fukk Dak Prescott. He's going to tank his own career and this franchise cause he cares more about an extra $3-5mil AAV than keeping high-end talent around him. High-end talent his pathetic noodle arm bytch ass desperately needs.

I'm no Dak fan, but I'll never criticize a player for trying to get as much money as he possibly can.

 

[Thegospel]

that faq box factory dappin my post fukk outta here lame

 

[BlueHeffner]

I dont get how yall are ok with paying Dak but not paying Zeke


Yall are clamoring for us to not pay Zeke because Dak’s payday is coming, but that is the bigger mistake. The nikka is ASS. The better long-term option wouldve been to pay Zeke, Amari, and Tank and let Dak play his contract out. Draft his replacement in the 2020 draft, and make this nikka Dak play one year on the tag. Chiefs did it to Dak’s pops, so I dont see why we cant do the same.

That allows the team to be competitive for the next two seasons (half of Zeke’s new deal) and let the new QB step in 2021

 

[Codeine Bryant]

From Day 1, I feared this day with Zeke. Incredible talent, but he's a hothead off the field and takes brutal hits on the field. I do not feel comfortable giving him another deal. Maybe if he maintained the same burst he had his 1st year and he was a choir boy who took his physical condition seriously like Saquon, maybe then I'd be ok with extending him. But yeah I always felt more comfortable with Ramsey b/c cornerbacks can play at a high level into their 30's. He also would have embraced the Star and everything that comes with it.

He's been coasting ever since he came out the gate shytting on cats with ease in 2016.

He takes his vision and our OLine for granted and gives fukk all about his conditioning.

Zeke can't outrun DBs anymore and I'm not so sure he can outrun speedy LBs. Beat them to the edge? Sure. But that breakaway speed from the Cincinnati and Pittsburgh games in 2016? Forget about it. And he's not even 25. Very disappointing.

 

[VegetasHairline]

Y'all should read this.

 

[Codeine Bryant]

Y'all should read this.

Interesting

But let's say we give Dak 32 and Amari 18. Give or take. So they total 50 a year. Zeke wants 15+ a year. Jaylon probably wants 10-12 a year. That's almost $80mil right there for 4 players.

I agree that it's possible and it will get done. Just don't expect Byron to still be here. He's going to ask for a lot more than just 10mil per as stated in that article. Or Gallup when his rookie deal expires. If Chido shows out? Gone.

And even if it is possible to pay everyone, it doesn't alleviate Zeke's concerns about security and it won't force the FOs hand to pay him sooner than they want to.

This holdout has me concerned brehs. I never thought for a second Dez would actually hold out of games and knew a deal would get done. This standoff with Zeke feels different.