African Peasant
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Russia does not have the mean to go beyond Ukraine.
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You're talking about gaining time, they don't wanna live like the Palestinians. You say Putin wouldn't do that, he says he would tho.
Palestinians could also take the L and accept living under jew boots, but that's not a life worth living so they fight.
African Peasant
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Palestinians don't have a country, Ukrainian can still have a sovereign state.
Your comparison do not make sense.
Some say Palestinians could have a state if they just stopped fighting, do you believe that?
It's laughable to think Ukraine will go back to being a sovereign state after this war.
African Peasant
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Where? Isreal control their borders. There is no Palestinian State. There is an Ukrainian state.
Ukraine is still sovereign on the major part of its territory.
Your comparison do not make sense. Lebanon would be a better comparison, and over there hezbollah accepted the cease fire.
Israel claims they'd be willing to negotiate a 2 state solution if the Palestinians weren't so aggressive. Do you believe that?
Putin wants everything east of Poland, that's all of Ukraine, best case scenario is a Russian puppet government and no control over their "sovereign state". Why wait for that shyt? They should fight to the last man.
African Peasant
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What Israel claims does not matter, there is no Palestianian state. There is an Ukrainian State.
Putin won't reach the Polish border because there a cease fire. It will take him at least 5 years to rebuild his forces. Ukraine can use that time to find a solution. It's still better than crashing out now with no hope for a win.
Ukraine has an alternative, just like Hezbollah did.
Dorian Breh
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The deals had already been thrown in the trash by Russia when they invaded.
History goes back more than five years even if your memory doesnt.
"Liberated" is hilarious though.
Russia went in because Ukraine violated the terms. Angela Merkel even admitted that the Minsk agreement was all a ruse which was used by NATO to train Ukraines military because they knew Russia would respond militarily to Ukraines constant bombings of its Ethincally Russian eastern region and by trying to join NATO.
Putins been saying the same thing about NATO since 2001. Nothing has changed not even NATOs aggressive stance towards Russia.
Pull Up the Roots
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No you can't. When "peace" with an invader is predicated on giving up your right to self-determination (in this case an imposed neutrality) and giving up your own land to that invader, true sovereignty no longer exists.
"Well, Russia just annexed Crimea, they're still sovereign in the unseized territories."
"Well, Russia just annexed Donetsk, they're still sovereign in the rest of the unseized territories."
Well, Russia just annexed Luhansk, they're still sovereign in the remaining unseized territories."
Well, Russia just annexed Kyiv...........
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Pull Up the Roots
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Your claims oversimplify and distort the actual facts. The Minsk Agreements failed because both sides violated them, not just Ukraine, and Merkel's comments weren't about deception but about buying time for Ukraine to defend itself against ongoing Russian aggression. If anybody provoked anything, it's Russia and their aggressive need to impose their will on its neighbors, which ironically only ended up strengthening NATO, as seen with Finland and Sweden joining.
The idea of "constant bombings" ignores the reality of a complex conflict where Russia backed and armed separatists (violating the Minsk Agreements and breaking its commitments under the Budapest Memorandum). Ukraine's interest in NATO doesn't justify invasion, and Putin's complaints about NATO date back decades. What's changed is Russia's decision to launch an illegal war against a sovereign country. Russia is an aggressive bully no different from Israel and its backers in the West.
