Our Father’s Not in Heaven: The New Black Atheism

[innocentdevil]

Every religion/non-religion has It's bad seeds.

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The subject of who killed more atheist, or theist is dumb...but since were going in on the subject. God killed how many people in the bible?

 

[brick james]

I incorrectly used forced secularism. I meant state atheism, not forced secularism, so that was my fault on that aspect.

Why is American slavery attributed to Christianity when there were Christian abolitionists who did what they had to do to eliminate it? Why is Martin Luther King Jr., a Christian pastor, conveniently ignored when it comes to civil rights? Just as you can grab a verse about "obey your slavemasters" to attribute slavery to Christianity, you can attribute equality for blacks to the "treat others as you would want to be treated" among other verses as a testament to slavery's elimination in Christian nations.

In regards to the death tallies being attributed to the Crusades, the death dolls attributed to atheist marxists is just as extreme if not moreso. Mao Zedong's policies were ultimately responsible for around 60 million deaths of his own people. Stalin was responsible for around 20 million deaths. Pol Pot 3 million... and that is all in the span of a few decades.

The introduction of Christianity to blacks existed far before European/American slavery.


To infer Christianity was taught to blacks solely by slave owners is very untrue. What about those who were against slavery and also happened to teach Christianity?

In regards to cheering on 'our domineers,' let's examine the true purpose of Margaret Sanger's Planned Parenthood

If Margaret Sanger is an atheist, then you sure do have a lot in common with her if we do. Neither of you 2 believe in Hinduism, Islam, scientology, mormonism, etc., etc.

Grouping people by what they don't believe in is absolutely retarded breh.

 

[kevm3]

not the same, yall are believing in a system that was used to wash away your original culture and beliefs as well as justify treating you as less than human, atheists/agnostics aren't placing their belief in Margaret Sanger and her "agenda"

Actually, from what I observe, the majority atheists actually do, even if unknowingly so. It seems to me, most atheists support abortion and agree with the proliferation of the planned parenthood. Covertly, Sanger's plan seems to be very effective considering that the rate of abortion in the black community is much higher than caucasian communities.

Abortion Rate Among Black Women Sparks Debate in Community - WNYC

Let's take a look at how this played out in New York:

Fifty-seven percent of black pregnancies in the city end in abortion, according to 2009 data from the city's Department of Health. For white women, the number is 20 percent and for the city overall it is about 39 percent. Though the number of abortions among black women remained steady for several years, the statistic startled some within the community.

here are some quotes from Sanger herself:

The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.
Margaret Sanger

Margaret Sanger Quotes - BrainyQuote

On the extermination of blacks:
"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon

On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people

On the extermination of blacks:
"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon

Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood, In Her Own Words

So in fact, those who support planned parenthood are actually aiding Sanger's covert plan.

 

[Hulk Hogan]

NAME AN ATHEIST WHO OWNED SLAVES, BROTHER!

 

[kevm3]

If Margaret Sanger is an atheist, then you sure do have a lot in common with her if we do. Neither of you 2 believe in Hinduism, Islam, scientology, mormonism, etc., etc.

Grouping people by what they don't believe in is absolutely retarded breh.

And yet it's fine to group Christians into a group who espouse slavery when much of the reason slavery was eliminated was due to Christian abolitionists? When one of the most prominent figures in the civil rights era in Martin Luther King, was a Christian?

 

[brick james]

It seems to me, most atheists support abortion and agree with the proliferation of the planned parenthood.

It seems to me that most atheists are liberal, college educated people, so obviously, most atheists are white, vote for Obama, support abortion, etc.

 

[brick james]

And yet it's fine to group Christians into a group who espouse slavery when much of the reason slavery was eliminated was due to Christian abolitionists? When one of the most prominent figures in the civil rights era in Martin Luther King, was a Christian?

I don't understand the comparison. You are reaching trying to connect us to that lady. The point of my post is that using non belief as a categorical tool is ridiculous because with the exception of 1 (or 3) religions, you are as much of a non believer as all of us. To be more clear, that is like grouping Sanger and you together because both of you don't believe in Zeus.

It is more acceptable to put christians into a group who espouse slavery because all christians have an underlying belief in a book that has specific provisions on slavery should be conducted.

"And if a man sells his daughter to be a female servant, she shall not go out as the male servants do. If she does not please her master, who has betrothed her to himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has dealt deceitfully with her. And if he has betrothed her to his son, he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters. If he takes another wife, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marriage rights. And if he does not do these three for her, then she shall go out free, without paying money."
—Exodus 21 7-11

 

[kevm3]

NAME AN ATHEIST WHO OWNED SLAVES, BROTHER!

Atheism wasn't very prominent in America during that time, so the names of atheist slaveowners isn't readily available. I can easily ask you to show evidence of atheist abolitionists having any where near the same impact of Christian abolitionists of slavery or show me an atheist that had the impact of Martin Luther King in securing civil rights for blacks during his era. Show me an atheist organization that had the impact of the black church to secure the rights of blacks during the civil rights era.

"When people accepted the faith, it did not make them content to be slaves. What it did was, it opened up to them the possibilities that are available to those people who see themselves as children of this eternal and almighty God."
- Rev. Jeffrey Leath

The Black Church has been the flame bearer of the civil rights movements since it's beginning, and Christianity has played a prominent role in establishing a moral conscious for the civil rights of blacks in America. Many individual and collective efforts contributed to the freedoms we now enjoy as African Americans, but few institutions provided the united voice echoed by that of the Black Church.

The role of the black church in the Civil Rights movement - by Terry Marsh - Helium

 

[OG_StankBrefs]

Actually, from what I observe, the majority atheists actually do, even if unknowingly so. It seems to me, most atheists support abortion and agree with the proliferation of the planned parenthood. Covertly, Sanger's plan seems to be very effective considering that the rate of abortion in the black community is much higher than caucasian communities.

So in fact, those who support planned parenthood are actually aiding Sanger's covert plan.

See, now you're trynna be slick. Just because somebody(i.e. black athiests) decides to support planned parent hood and women's rights to get abortions doesn't mean they agree wit whatever original racist motives dat Sanger bytch might've had, thus somehow proving you're point dat black americans transition into athiesm shares a commonality wit black americans transition into Christianity. Nah, don't thank so breh.

You're trynna find a way to connect dots and merge pipes dat don't even exists in order to compensate for any actual facts to dispute dat blacks weren't forced into accepting a religious system by their slave masters.

 

[kevm3]

I don't understand the comparison. You are reaching trying to connect us to that lady. The point of my post is that using non belief as a categorical tool is ridiculous because with the exception of 1 (or 3) religions, you are as much of a non believer as all of us. To be more clear, that is like grouping Sanger and you together because both of you don't believe in Zeus.

It is more acceptable to put christians into a group who espouse slavery because all christians have an underlying belief in a book that has specific provisions on slavery should be conducted.

"And if a man sells his daughter to be a female servant, she shall not go out as the male servants do. If she does not please her master, who has betrothed her to himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has dealt deceitfully with her. And if he has betrothed her to his son, he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters. If he takes another wife, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marriage rights. And if he does not do these three for her, then she shall go out free, without paying money."
—Exodus 21 7-11

Actually, it isn't acceptable to put all Christians into a group that espouses slavery because diversity in Christian thought is just as diverse if not moreso than beliefs in the atheist community. In the aforementioned post, I mentioned Christian abolitionists and the role of the black church during the civil rights era, which were vital for blacks to have the rights we do today... so how exactly can Christianity be tethered to a 'slavery religion' when it was utilized more effectively to eliminate slavery?

 

[kevm3]

See, now you're trynna be slick. Just because somebody(i.e. black athiests) decides to support planned parent hood and women's rights to get abortions doesn't mean they agree wit whatever original racist motives dat Sanger bytch might've had, thus somehow proving you're point dat black americans transition into athiesm shares a commonality wit black americans transition into Christianity. Nah, don't thank so breh.

You're trynna find a way to connect dots and merge pipes dat don't even exists in order to compensate for any actual facts to dispute dat blacks weren't forced into accepting a religious system by their slave masters.

Wait, sounds exactly like the tactic of those who would tie Christianity to 'slavery' or the slave-masters religion doesn't it?

 

[OG_StankBrefs]

Wait, sounds exactly like the tactic of those who would tie Christianity to 'slavery' or the slave-masters religion doesn't it?

Black slaves DID learn about Christianity from their slave masters when they were brought over here. Dat shyt is FACT. fukk are you talkin about dood?

 

[kevm3]

Black slaves DID learn about Christianity from their slave masters when they were brought over here. Dat shyt is FACT. fukk are you talkin about dood?

Except blacks didn't learn Christianity ONLY from slave-owners. Slave owners and abolitionists alike taught blacks Christianity. Just like I said, Christian thought is just as diverse as any other group.

Here is an example of blacks learning Christianity from an anti-slavery source:

The Methodists' Mission

By 1780, the Methodists had decided that slavery was "contrary to the laws of God, man and nature, and hurtful to society, contrary to the dictates of conscience and pure religion." Clearly, they were one of the early groups to realize that slavery was wrong. In 1784, they announced that they would excommunicate any Methodists who chose to continue with the practice of slavery. In 1820, the Methodists began a mission to the slaves, and targeted their religion to them. Of course, since the Methodists were kind to the slaves, they were drawn to the religion. Many slaves were also drawn to the religion because it focused on emotions, which the slaves clearly needed to express in some sort of safe haven.


How Did Christianity Spread to The Slaves?

 

[Hulk Hogan]

Atheism wasn't very prominent in America during that time, so the names of atheist slaveowners isn't readily available.

SO YOU CANNOT NAME AN ATHEIST WHO OWNED SLAVES, BROTHER! I'M NOT EVEN LIMITING THE QUESTION TO AMERICAN HISTORY, DUUUUDE! NAME AN ATHEIST FROM ANYTIME, ANY PLACE, WHO OWNED SLAVES, MAN!

I can easily ask you to show evidence of atheist abolitionists having any where near the same impact of Christian abolitionists of slavery

THE BIBLE DOES NOT SAY TO ABOLISH SLAVERY, BROTHER! THE BIBLE SAYS "SLAVES, OBEY YOUR MASTERS, BROTHERS!" CHRISTIAN ABOLITIONISTS WORKED IN SPITE OF THEIR BELIEFS!

AND WHO OPPOSED THEM MOST, DUUUDE? ATHEISTS? NOPE! GOOD, GOD-FEARING CHRISTIANS, BROTHER!

or show me an atheist that had the impact of Martin Luther King in securing civil rights for blacks during his era.

BAYARD RUSTIN WAS ONE OF KING'S RIGHT HAND MEN, DUUUDE! GUESS WHY HE'S NOT IN THE HISTORY BOOKS, BROTHER!

MLK WAS CRITICIZED CONSTANTLY BY OTHER CHURCH LEADERS FOR ASSOCIATING WITH SECULAR LABOR ORGANIZATIONS, BROTHER! THEY CALLED HIM AN ALLY OF GODLESS COMMUNISM, DUUUUDE!



YOU HAVE THIS BIZARRE CONSPIRACY THEORY THAT ABORTION IS WHITEY'S PLOT TO WIPE OUT BLACK PEOPLE, BROTHER! BUT LEMME ASK YA SUMTHIN BROTHER! NAME AN ATHEIST AFRICAN WARLORD, BROTHER! SHOW US A BLACK ATHEIST WHO RECRUITS 12 YEAR OLD BLACK BOYS INTO HIS RAPING AND PILLAGING ARMIES, DUUUUDE!

 

[brick james]

Actually, it isn't acceptable to put all Christians into a group that espouses slavery because diversity in Christian thought is just as diverse if not moreso than beliefs in the atheist community. In the aforementioned post, I mentioned Christian abolitionists and the role of the black church during the civil rights era, which were vital for blacks to have the rights we do today... so how exactly can Christianity be tethered to a 'slavery religion' when it was utilized more effectively to eliminate slavery?

What diversity in christian thought? you either disregard the really stupid, hateful parts of the bible or you embrace them... if you do the first, you aren't being genuine just like the abolitionists. Also how exactly did they utilize christianity to eliminate slavery; i believe they used political measures friend