Our Father’s Not in Heaven: The New Black Atheism

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Same reason how blacks can become atheists despite atheists such as Margaret Sanger utilizing her eugenics based philosophies to create the "Negro Project," in which Planned Parenthood and abortion clinics were to be used to cut down on the black population.

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You really trynna use dat shyt as a parallel example of how blacks can come into being atheist with dat of how blacks came into Christianity in dis country and how it was spread thruought da world? You fukkin kiddin me breh? :laugh::usure:
 

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You don't think if the 'forefounders' of this country happened to be atheist at the time that they wouldn't have enslaved you? In nations with forced secularism, aka state secularism, they have some of the worst treatment of their own people. What do you think they would do to you who are not their people? The history of atheism in terms of how it is used to justify atrocities is just as sullied as any religion. Just look at the atheist eugenicists who utilize philosophies such as Social Darwinism to concoct plans to wipe out 'inferior elements' from the gene pool. Guess which group often falls into the basket for being considered inferior stock? That's right-- blacks.

I often hear about how Christianity is the white man's religion, but then when the benefits of atheism is touted, guess the ethnicity of the source used... white. Hawkins, Hitchens or whatever random atheist that is in a youtube video is often white. The only black atheist I see quoted with any regularity is Neil Degrasse Tyson... Funny thing is, Neil doesn't even like to be coined as an atheist:

Neil deGrasse Tyson Speaks Out I am Not An Atheist or an Agnostic - Brain Pills - YouTube

One of the most prominent 'champions of atheism' even admits he cannot be completely sure that God does not exist and would rather be termed as an agnostic.

Richard Dawkins: I can't be sure God does not exist - Telegraph

The history of atheism is just as dirty as any religion.
 

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You don't think if the 'forefounders' of this country happened to be atheist at the time that they wouldn't have enslaved you? In nations with forced secularism, aka state secularism, they have some of the worst treatment of their own people. What do you think they would do to you who are not their people? The history of atheism in terms of how it is used to justify atrocities is just as sullied as any religion. Just look at the atheist eugenicists who utilize philosophies such as Social Darwinism to concoct plans to wipe out 'inferior elements' from the gene pool. Guess which group often falls into the basket for being considered inferior stock? That's right-- blacks.

I often hear about how Christianity is the white man's religion, but then when the benefits of atheism is touted, guess the ethnicity of the source used... white. Hawkins, Hitchens or whatever random atheist that is in a youtube video is often white. The only black atheist I see quoted with any regularity is Neil Degrasse Tyson... Funny thing is, Neil doesn't even like to be coined as an atheist:

Neil deGrasse Tyson Speaks Out I am Not An Atheist or an Agnostic - Brain Pills - YouTube

One of the most prominent 'champions of atheism' even admits he cannot be completely sure that God does not exist and would rather be termed as an agnostic.

Richard Dawkins: I can't be sure God does not exist - Telegraph

The history of atheism is just as dirty as any religion.

Please name these legions of "atheist eugenicists" because (aside from Margaret Sanger) I've never heard of them.

And nobody is promoting forced secularism, so comparisons to China are irrelevant. But it is telling that the the least religious countries in the world are the most prosperous. Of course I don't think it's because of religion, but it seems that people use religion to cope with crappy economic and social situations.
 

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You don't think if the 'forefounders' of this country happened to be atheist at the time that they wouldn't have enslaved you? In nations with forced secularism, aka state secularism, they have some of the worst treatment of their own people. What do you think they would do to you who are not their people? The history of atheism in terms of how it is used to justify atrocities is just as sullied as any religion. Just look at the atheist eugenicists who utilize philosophies such as Social Darwinism to concoct plans to wipe out 'inferior elements' from the gene pool. Guess which group often falls into the basket for being considered inferior stock? That's right-- blacks.

I often hear about how Christianity is the white man's religion, but then when the benefits of atheism is touted, guess the ethnicity of the source used... white. Hawkins, Hitchens or whatever random atheist that is in a youtube video is often white. The only black atheist I see quoted with any regularity is Neil Degrasse Tyson... Funny thing is, Neil doesn't even like to be coined as an atheist:

Neil deGrasse Tyson Speaks Out I am Not An Atheist or an Agnostic - Brain Pills - YouTube

One of the most prominent 'champions of atheism' even admits he cannot be completely sure that God does not exist and would rather be termed as an agnostic.

Richard Dawkins: I can't be sure God does not exist - Telegraph

The history of atheism is just as dirty as any religion.

There's no way of knowing how history might have gone, but if in its infancy the country had an atheist influence it's logical to assume that there would have been an environment less conducive to slavery were the majority of people not basing their lives & worldviews on a holy book & religion that saw black people has a cursed people and implicitly supported the enslavement of human beings.Imagine if in lieu of biblical scripture people were following texts like this(from Buddhism):

..a lay follower should not engage in five types of business. Which five? Business in weapons, business in living beings, business in meat, business in intoxicants, and business in poison.Eightfold path

INSTEAD OF:

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

Were the founders and settlers largely Buddhist can I say no one any where in the country would own people? No. But I do feel confident in saying it wouldn't have been any near the massive scale it ended up being in our "Christian Nation". Clearly, looking at the global histories of the two religions one has a far far far greater propensity for slavery than the other and if you read their respective scriptures it becomes easy to see why. Try for once to conduct some honest research, not automatically throwing anything in conflict to your biases to the wayside.

I get you have to rep your side, breh. I get it... I get it.. But you sound like a god damned dumb ass by comparing black people being ripped from their lands and having a Jewish based religion forced on them, to what the color of a person's skins happens to be who is criticizing the concept of gods. If White Europeans/Early Americans landed on the shores of Africa and merely communicated their thoughts on Christianity I see things going a tad differently, don't you? But by all means let me know when Dawkins is locking people in chains and forcing them to forge a new worldview/belief system from "The God Delusion"

And Neil Degrasse Tyson has appeared on atheist shows and podcasts and has called himself an Atheist in the past. Him coming out against the label now derives completely from the stubbornness of people like yourself who still insists on defining atheism as an absolute assertion that no possible entity or force remotely resembling a "god" exists. By that definition I'm not an atheist either. Very few atheists actually take that position but theists refuse to acknowledge since it, as it's virtually impossible to build a solid argument against the stance we actually take: There is not enough evidence for God/gods to form a belief--the God hypothesis contains no evidence or proof.
 

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You don't think if the 'forefounders' of this country happened to be atheist at the time that they wouldn't have enslaved you?

They probably would have, but they wouldn't have had a holy book with a God that endorses slavery to help them support their beliefs.

In nations with forced secularism, aka state secularism, they have some of the worst treatment of their own people. What do you think they would do to you who are not their people?

You do realize the US is a secular country? Regardless, secularism is not atheism and has no necessary connection to it, so why are you bringing it up?

The history of atheism in terms of how it is used to justify atrocities is just as sullied as any religion. Just look at the atheist eugenicists who utilize philosophies such as Social Darwinism to concoct plans to wipe out 'inferior elements' from the gene pool. Guess which group often falls into the basket for being considered inferior stock? That's right-- blacks.

Bad example. Atheism did not justify eugenics. Social Darwinism did. Atheism is not Social Darwinism and has no necessary connection to it- indeed, many Social Darwinists were and are religious.

A better example would be dictators destroying religion in their populations (which is not secular, as I said before- it's anti-secular.) However, their death toll doesn't even come close to the death toll of Christianity from the Crusades, the Inquisition, colonialism, etc.

I often hear about how Christianity is the white man's religion, but then when the benefits of atheism is touted, guess the ethnicity of the source used... white. Hawkins, Hitchens or whatever random atheist that is in a youtube video is often white. The only black atheist I see quoted with any regularity is Neil Degrasse Tyson... Funny thing is, Neil doesn't even like to be coined as an atheist

Christianity isn't "the white man's religion," but if you are a Black, American Christian with slave ancestors, Christianity was introduced to your family by the same people who were beating and raping them. That is an unfortunate fact. That's what people mean when they say that it's the white man's religion- not that it came to you through the white man, but specifically through a group of people who were committing horrible acts to your people at the same time that they were forcing Christianity on them.

As for atheism, it's not a position that was invented by white people or anyone else. There were Black atheists long before there were Black Christians. That being said, yes, atheism in America is currently associated more with white people, but again- the race isn't the point- the history is. Modern Black people aren't getting non-religious positions from slavemasters or oppressors.
 

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Same reason how blacks can become atheists despite atheists such as Margaret Sanger utilizing her eugenics based philosophies to create the "Negro Project," in which Planned Parenthood and abortion clinics were to be used to cut down on the black population.
not the same thing at all.

If these followers of God can use there religion to justify slavery then that religion is corupt to it's core and any other view of it can not change that.

Who made the determination that God was corrupted?

God or man?

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So your saying slavery was a good thing?
 

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now I don't deny that regardless of religion slavery would happen. It is part of human history. But conquered people talking on the religion of the oppressor is just another sign of being dominated. You really think without European Slave Trade you would be Christian? Africans would have found there way to God already? God's words didn't Stop Protestants from killing Native Americans cause they did not believe.
 

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Same reason how blacks can become atheists despite atheists such as Margaret Sanger utilizing her eugenics based philosophies to create the "Negro Project," in which Planned Parenthood and abortion clinics were to be used to cut down on the black population.

sounds like you have an emotional agenda breh

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You don't think if the 'forefounders' of this country happened to be atheist at the time that they wouldn't have enslaved you? In nations with forced secularism, aka state secularism, they have some of the worst treatment of their own people. What do you think they would do to you who are not their people? The history of atheism in terms of how it is used to justify atrocities is just as sullied as any religion. Just look at the atheist eugenicists who utilize philosophies such as Social Darwinism to concoct plans to wipe out 'inferior elements' from the gene pool. Guess which group often falls into the basket for being considered inferior stock? That's right-- blacks.

I often hear about how Christianity is the white man's religion, but then when the benefits of atheism is touted, guess the ethnicity of the source used... white. Hawkins, Hitchens or whatever random atheist that is in a youtube video is often white. The only black atheist I see quoted with any regularity is Neil Degrasse Tyson... Funny thing is, Neil doesn't even like to be coined as an atheist:

Neil deGrasse Tyson Speaks Out I am Not An Atheist or an Agnostic - Brain Pills - YouTube

One of the most prominent 'champions of atheism' even admits he cannot be completely sure that God does not exist and would rather be termed as an agnostic.

Richard Dawkins: I can't be sure God does not exist - Telegraph

The history of atheism is just as dirty as any religion.

:what: Apparently you do not know what secularism is. Secularism is the principle of separation between state function and religious institutions, and the state allowing free expression of religion while remaining neutral. Declaring the state to be atheist and suppressing religion through legal means and violence is not secularism. The U.S.S.R., which would assumingly be the prime example of this "forced secularism" oxymoronic term you're making up, was about as secular as Afghanistan under the Taliban. An example of a secular nation would be the one you live in.
 

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Same reason how blacks can become atheists despite atheists such as Margaret Sanger utilizing her eugenics based philosophies to create the "Negro Project," in which Planned Parenthood and abortion clinics were to be used to cut down on the black population.

Every religion/non-religion has It's bad seeds.
 

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NAME AN ATHEIST WHO OWNED SLAVES, BROTHER!

AND TRY NOT TO EQUATE BEING A PRISONER WITH BEING A SLAVE, DUUUUDE! SLAVERY IS THE CLAIM THAT YOU OWN A HUMAN BEING, MAN! PRISON IS (SUPPOSED TO BE) A METHOD OF ISOLATING DANGEROUS ELEMENTS FROM SOCIETY, BROTHER!

THE SOVIETS DIDN'T INVENT THE GULAGS, DUDE! LEMME TELL YA SUMTHIN BROTHER! THE TSARS INVENTED THOSE SIBERIAN LABOR CAMPS! THE TSARS WHO TOLD RUSSIA'S PEOPLE THAT THEIR BLOODLINE WAS PLACED IN CHARGE OF THE NATION BY GOD HIMSELF, BROTHER! THE TSARS WHO HAD THE PRIESTS OF THE RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH REMINDING THE PEOPLE OF THIS DICTATOR'S GOD-GIVEN LEGITIMACY EVERY SUNDAY, BROTHER!

STALIN DIDN'T HAVE RELIGION TO FALL BACK ON AS AN EXCUSE FOR HIS BEHAVIOR, SO PEOPLE EVENTUALLY ACTED ON HIS OBVIOUS MORTALITY AND POISONED HIM, BROTHER!
 

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They probably would have, but they wouldn't have had a holy book with a God that endorses slavery to help them support their beliefs.



You do realize the US is a secular country? Regardless, secularism is not atheism and has no necessary connection to it, so why are you bringing it up?



Bad example. Atheism did not justify eugenics. Social Darwinism did. Atheism is not Social Darwinism and has no necessary connection to it- indeed, many Social Darwinists were and are religious.

A better example would be dictators destroying religion in their populations (which is not secular, as I said before- it's anti-secular.) However, their death toll doesn't even come close to the death toll of Christianity from the Crusades, the Inquisition, colonialism, etc.



Christianity isn't "the white man's religion," but if you are a Black, American Christian with slave ancestors, Christianity was introduced to your family by the same people who were beating and raping them. That is an unfortunate fact. That's what people mean when they say that it's the white man's religion- not that it came to you through the white man, but specifically through a group of people who were committing horrible acts to your people at the same time that they were forcing Christianity on them.

As for atheism, it's not a position that was invented by white people or anyone else. There were Black atheists long before there were Black Christians. That being said, yes, atheism in America is currently associated more with white people, but again- the race isn't the point- the history is. Modern Black people aren't getting non-religious positions from slavemasters or oppressors.

I incorrectly used forced secularism. I meant state atheism, not forced secularism, so that was my fault on that aspect.

Why is American slavery attributed to Christianity when there were Christian abolitionists who did what they had to do to eliminate it? Why is Martin Luther King Jr., a Christian pastor, conveniently ignored when it comes to civil rights? Just as you can grab a verse about "obey your slavemasters" to attribute slavery to Christianity, you can attribute equality for blacks to the "treat others as you would want to be treated" among other verses as a testament to slavery's elimination in Christian nations.

In regards to the death tallies being attributed to the Crusades, the death dolls attributed to atheist marxists is just as extreme if not moreso. Mao Zedong's policies were ultimately responsible for around 60 million deaths of his own people. Stalin was responsible for around 20 million deaths. Pol Pot 3 million... and that is all in the span of a few decades.

The introduction of Christianity to blacks existed far before European/American slavery.
Christianity first arrived in North Africa, in the 1st or early 2nd century AD. The Christian communities in North Africa were among the earliest in the world. Legend has it that Christianity was brought from Jerusalem to Alexandria on the Egyptian coast by Mark, one of the four evangelists, in 60 AD. This was around the same time or possibly before Christianity spread to Northern Europe.

The Story of Africa| BBC World Service

To infer Christianity was taught to blacks solely by slave owners is very untrue. What about those who were against slavery and also happened to teach Christianity?

In regards to cheering on 'our domineers,' let's examine the true purpose of Margaret Sanger's Planned Parenthood

“'Civil rights' doesn't mean anything without a right to life!” declared Hunter. He and the other marchers were protesting the disproportionately high number of abortions in the black community. The high number is no accident. Many Americans—black and white—are unaware of Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger's Negro Project. Sanger created this program in 1939, after the organization changed its name from the American Birth Control League (ABCL) to the Birth Control Federation of America (BCFA).1

The aim of the program was to restrict—many believe exterminate—the black population. Under the pretense of “better health” and “family planning,” Sanger cleverly implemented her plan. What's more shocking is Sanger's beguilement of black America's crème de la crème—those prominent, well educated and well-to-do—into executing her scheme. Some within the black elite saw birth control as a means to attain economic empowerment, elevate the race and garner the respect of whites.

The Negro Project has had lasting repercussions in the black community: “We have become victims of genocide by our own hands,” cried Hunter at the “Say So” march.
 

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Same reason how blacks can become atheists despite atheists such as Margaret Sanger utilizing her eugenics based philosophies to create the "Negro Project," in which Planned Parenthood and abortion clinics were to be used to cut down on the black population.

not the same, yall are believing in a system that was used to wash away your original culture and beliefs as well as justify treating you as less than human, atheists/agnostics aren't placing their belief in Margaret Sanger and her "agenda"
 

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and how come your all knowing, eternal god just upped and stopped communicating with humans? yall aint added nothing to the bible in close to 2000 years, so all of a suddenly god just stopped performing miracles, and working through disciples? i don't get how people can just blindly believe in this fantasy, it's cool to use it as some sort of moral compass or to further your thoughts about a higher power, but the concept of some man sitting in the sky judging you, actually caring about your life and daily prayers is absurd
 
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