Our Father’s Not in Heaven: The New Black Atheism

[NelsonSwagdela]

Interesting article on the lack of atheist amongst the black culture. Thoughts?

Our Father's Not in Heaven: The New Black Atheism

 

[OG_StankBrefs]

Good read. Once i "jacked out the matrix" my life became so much better. Best thing dat ever happened to me.

 

[NelsonSwagdela]

People are sleeping on this. It's interesting article and I want to know how other black people feel about this

 

[OG_StankBrefs]

I grew up in da church like most brothas. Sunday school, Christian private school from 1-6th grade. I was never fully sold on what da preacher was sayin, what ma duke, grandma duke, etc. was sayin bout god, da bible, jesus, etc. I believed but i was never satisfied by da ol "God has a plan" "Just pray" "Everything happens for a reason" shyt. Just too much fukked up shyt in da world for me to really believe dat.

My mom was a college professor so we always had national geographic, encyclopedias n shyt all around da crib. So we were definitely "cultured" about da world. But It wasn't till bout my junior year of high school dat i actually started doin some real research bout da different religions/cultures of da world. Saw just how many there were. Then dat lead to lookin deeper into ancient civilizations i.e. Greeks, Egyptian, etc. Lookin at their belief systems, there rituals, their dieties, etc. Then i started to focus in on just Christianity. Started discovering about the lost books that were taken out. Readin bout The Council of Nicaea, THe crusades, Protestant Reformation n shyt. I just sat there reading about all dis shyt like

Then it became so much clearer. Using just logic and basic common sense. Dat's what it really came down to personally for me. Thinking about how empires take over lands and force their belief systems and way of life on da conquered foe and after a couple generations dat shyt becomes gospel set in stone and all those people know. They are told to never question da shyt...no matter what. Some ways thru fear tactics, guilt, and/or physical violence. Dat's how it's always been thruought history. And dat's exactly what happen to black folk in dis country. Our ancestors were brought ova here...forced into slavery... and forced into adopting their master's belief system. And those born into dat shyt, over generations dat inherited belief system becomes THEIRS.

I can write pages on how i came to where i'm at right now but i'm def never goin back to dat bs. And what's made me realize just how deeply ingrained dat shyt is in people's minds is my moms. She knows all da shyt i know, hell even MORE about all da bullshyt about man's fingerprints all over da world's religions, etc....but she STILL is one of dem devout worshippin christian "black church folk". Even tho she KNOWS alot of da shyt makes absolutely no sense and the origins of it. It's just somethin i guess people...humans WANT/NEED to have. Dat sense of "protection" or somethin.

I guess it's a lot more comforting thinkin dat if you're walkin a tight rope over a dark hole dat there's somethin there to keep you safe, something there to catch you if/when you fall. Da thought of there being nothing after dis life is an extremely frightening aspect to a majority of people.

 

[OG_StankBrefs]

Like I said I could go on n on and write pages about dis shyt. But being a brotha who thinks like dis you're def looked at differently by da community. I try to avoid gettin into debate wit black church folk because it usually ends with their feelings gettin hurt and dem gettin flustered because they can't answer simple questions i throw at em. It usually ends with the old imma take my ball home so nobody can play tatic..."Well i just have faith, i'll pray for you"

I just say okay and keep it movin. It really is pointless trynna bring logic and rational thinking into any debate with religious folk...ESPECIALLY black religious folk.

 

[Dras]

Good read. Once i "jacked out the matrix" my life became so much better. Best thing dat ever happened to me.

This x10000

One thing I would have never anticipated is how reality 'clicked' upon becoming an atheist like it never had before. The world made sense. How I got here made sense. This fleeting pocket of order we call Earth which lies in an abyss too massive for any human mind to fully comprehend oddly made some sort of sense. When I was a believer these things never truly did. But who are we to question God right? So I'd call upon some variation of the "God's power is too great for us to understand" rationalization and put it out of my mind. Better to focus on the egogasm that comes from actually believing that a perfect being with infinite power, knowledge, and love cared for me individually ...or so I thought.

The Matrix analogy is perfect, and one that's running through my mind constantly living in the Bible Belt. For most atheists there comes a moment... for me it was followed by laughter, where it fully hits home that the theistic religions of the world are fictional. Honestly, I don't mean to be disrespectful when I equate the Bible or the Quran to Lord of The Rings, but that's literally what they are to me. Seriously. Try, just for a second, to imagine what it would be like if you woke up tomorrow in a world where billions of people believed the events of stories like Lord of The Rings and Harry Potter ACTUALLY happened and lived their lives accordingly. Imagine what a mind-**** that would be. This is what it's like being an Atheist. That's why I don't like discussing religion with people who I care about or have to deal with on a regular basis because it's nearly impossible to have productive and/or civil discourse when the person sees it as the most important and beautiful truth in their life and I view it as one the millions examples of fictions in the world.

 

[innocentdevil]

I grew up in da church like most brothas. Sunday school, Christian private school from 1-6th grade. I was never fully sold on what da preacher was sayin, what ma duke, grandma duke, etc. was sayin bout god, da bible, jesus, etc. I believed but i was never satisfied by da ol "God has a plan" "Just pray" "Everything happens for a reason" shyt. Just too much fukked up shyt in da world for me to really believe dat.

My mom was a college professor so we always had national geographic, encyclopedias n shyt all around da crib. So we were definitely "cultured" about da world. But It wasn't till bout my junior year of high school dat i actually started doin some real research bout da different religions/cultures of da world. Saw just how many there were. Then dat lead to lookin deeper into ancient civilizations i.e. Greeks, Egyptian, etc. Lookin at their belief systems, there rituals, their dieties, etc. Then i started to focus in on just Christianity. Started discovering about the lost books that were taken out. Readin bout The Council of Nicaea, THe crusades, Protestant Reformation n shyt. I just sat there reading about all dis shyt like

Then it became so much clearer. Using just logic and basic common sense. Dat's what it really came down to personally for me. Thinking about how empires take over lands and force their belief systems and way of life on da conquered foe and after a couple generations dat shyt becomes gospel set in stone and all those people know. They are told to never question da shyt...no matter what. Some ways thru fear tactics, guilt, and/or physical violence. Dat's how it's always been thruought history. And dat's exactly what happen to black folk in dis country. Our ancestors were brought ova here...forced into slavery... and forced into adopting their master's belief system. And those born into dat shyt, over generations dat inherited belief system becomes THEIRS.

I can write pages on how i came to where i'm at right now but i'm def never goin back to dat bs. And what's made me realize just how deeply ingrained dat shyt is in people's minds is my moms. She knows all da shyt i know, hell even MORE about all da bullshyt about man's fingerprints all over da world's religions, etc....but she STILL is one of dem devout worshippin christian "black church folk". Even tho she KNOWS alot of da shyt makes absolutely no sense and the origins of it. It's just somethin i guess people...humans WANT/NEED to have. Dat sense of "protection" or somethin.

I guess it's a lot more comforting thinkin dat if you're walkin a tight rope over a dark hole dat there's somethin there to keep you safe, something there to catch you if/when you fall. Da thought of there being nothing after dis life is an extremely frightening aspect to a majority of people.

 

[WhiteDawg3000]

certain aspects of "hinduism" (broad definition) actually make a loooot more sense than the bible and qu'ran, regarding the cosmos and cosmology of our endless universe

 

[kermit da hustla]

religious people are simply less intelligent than those of us who know how silly it is. there is no other explanation.

 

[OG_StankBrefs]

Dis is EXACTLY what i'm talkin about. Nothing fancy, nothing vicious, no trollish trickery use of word play....Just simple observations dat can dismantle dat whole belief system. Execution is dam near flawless:

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[Colilluminati]

@ believing in anything other than yourself.

 

[Bud Bundy]

Always questioned religion and fancied myself a buddist at one point. But now I wonder how can black people be religious at all when God was used to justify slavery. Why would you pick to worship that god who is obliviously corrupt.

 

[kevm3]

Always questioned religion and fancied myself a buddist at one point. But now I wonder how can black people be religious at all when God was used to justify slavery. Why would you pick to worship that god who is obliviously corrupt.

Same reason how blacks can become atheists despite atheists such as Margaret Sanger utilizing her eugenics based philosophies to create the "Negro Project," in which Planned Parenthood and abortion clinics were to be used to cut down on the black population.

 

[BedRoomI'z]

Same reason how blacks can become atheists despite atheists such as Margaret Sanger utilizing her eugenics based philosophies to create the "Negro Project," in which Planned Parenthood and abortion clinics were to be used to cut down on the black population.

They ain't ready, Kev

Leave it alone.

 

[BedRoomI'z]

Always questioned religion and fancied myself a buddist at one point. But now I wonder how can black people be religious at all when God was used to justify slavery. Why would you pick to worship that god who is obliviously corrupt.

Who made the determination that God was corrupted?

God or man?