Orthodox Jewish schools tell govt they won’t teach LGBT lessons

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Some people seem to think this is U.S. news :jbhmm:
"Rabbis representing Britain’s main Orthodox communities have told the government that their schools cannot discuss LGBT-related issues with pupils."
It's already here in the u.s especially California and the United States will be a battle against religious institutions to push that same lgbtq agenda. My jehovah's witness brothers in Britain knows whats us as well in the United States as well as worldwide know what's up and what the future holds. We having problems right now in Sweden over lgbtq mess and there are court battle that are happening at this moment. AND IT WILL GET WORSE PERIOD. who side you on.... We ready for whatever we will never change regardless the threats.
 

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They tried this in New York, too. But it's not as if the educational inspectors would really know what is or isn't being taught, since lectures are given almost entirely in Hebrew or Yiddish or both. Though, to be fair, some of the secular education like law, history, literature, logic, mathematics and philosophy might be given in English, depending on the school; certainly the more modern, co-ed schools. But in the traditional, Chassidishe/Litvishe yeshivos, English is not spoken. The former use more Yiddish and the latter use more Hebrew. There are ~75 yeshivos that speak only in Yiddish, and many more that speak only in Hebrew. Attempting to reform yeshivos to allot a certain amount of time to LGBT and other similar issues is laughable. You can't control a people who see today as 5780 and not 2020.
 

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Fear of losing those govt. funding dollars will make them blink.
The UK goyernment has been threatening to shut down yeshivos (males) and seminaries (females) for many years to no avail. This isn't new. And they're not merely threatening to defund the yeshivos/seminaries, they're threatening to close down any yeshiva/seminary that refuses to promote acts of toieivo to six-year-olds through twelve-year-olds as an equal and valid lifestyle (regardless of who funds the schools). The goyernment claims the right to dictate the educational curriculum and policy even for those who attended private yeshivos that receive zero goyernment funding. The Chassidishe and Litvishe dayanim have already ruled that schools should be closed rather than comply with this law. Judaism's stance on such an issue is that if the goyernment decrees and mandates Jews to break Jewish Law or tradition (and in particular, sexual immorality), then one must not comply no matter the penalty. Jews are obligated to follow Torah Law, not secular law. If the secular law happens to correspond, that's nice; if it doesn't, then so much the worse for it. If, as in the case here of giloy arayus, the civil law contradicts Torah Law, then a Jew has zero halochic obligation to follow it. Standing firm on the refusal of teaching Jewish children matters of LGBT is a Kiddush Hashem and so funding will find its way one-route or another.

hassidic community prefers to get funding from the govt.

non hassidic jews don't fukk with them like that
They're not only Chassidish, many (nearly half) are Litvish; others are Sefardish. For this reason, the articles covering the matter use the umbrella term, 'Chareidi'.

The majority of tzdaka/maaser money that makes its way into Chassidishe neighborhoods, including its yeshivos, seminaries and shuls, comes from secular Jews.

they will fold before they lose the state funds
There are several thousand Jewish tzdaka/charity societies in the UK alone, responsible for aiding much of the observant community. In any case, the yeshivos will close down before any Chassidishe/Litvishe community allows such toieivo into the secular curriculum. Should the schools close down, others will be open(ed). Yeshivos are accessible to the observant Jewish community the world over, and have been for the last two millennia since Shimon ben Shetach and Yehoshua ben Gamla instituted compulsory Jewish education.
 

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The UK goyernment has been threatening to shut down yeshivos (males) and seminaries (females) for many years to no avail. This isn't new. And they're not merely threatening to defund the yeshivos/seminaries, they're threatening to close down any yeshiva/seminary that refuses to promote acts of toieivo to six-year-olds through twelve-year-olds as an equal and valid lifestyle (regardless of who funds the schools). The goyernment claims the right to dictate the educational curriculum and policy even for those who attended private yeshivos that receive zero goyernment funding. The Chassidishe and Litvishe dayanim have already ruled that schools should be closed rather than comply with this law. Judaism's stance on such an issue is that if the goyernment decrees and mandates Jews to break Jewish Law or tradition (and in particular, sexual immorality), then one must not comply no matter the penalty. Jews are obligated to follow Torah Law, not secular law. If the secular law happens to correspond, that's nice; if it doesn't, then so much the worse for it. If, as in the case here of giloy arayus, the civil law contradicts Torah Law, then a Jew has zero halochic obligation to follow it. Standing firm on the refusal of teaching Jewish children matters of LGBT is a Kiddush Hashem and so funding will find its way one-route or another.


They're not only Chassidish, many (nearly half) are Litvish; others are Sefardish. For this reason, the articles covering the matter use the umbrella term, 'Chareidi'.

The majority of tzdaka/maaser money that makes its way into Chassidishe neighborhoods, including its yeshivos, seminaries and shuls, comes from secular Jews.


There are several thousand Jewish tzdaka/charity societies in the UK alone, responsible for aiding much of the observant community. In any case, the yeshivos will close down before any Chassidishe/Litvishe community allows such toieivo into the secular curriculum. Should the schools close down, others will be open(ed). Yeshivos are accessible to the observant Jewish community the world over, and have been for the last two millennia since Shimon ben Shetach and Yehoshua ben Gamla instituted compulsory Jewish education.
The UK goyernment has been threatening to shut down yeshivos (males) and seminaries (females) for many years to no avail. This isn't new. And they're not merely threatening to defund the yeshivos/seminaries, they're threatening to close down any yeshiva/seminary that refuses to promote acts of toieivo to six-year-olds through twelve-year-olds as an equal and valid lifestyle (regardless of who funds the schools). The goyernment claims the right to dictate the educational curriculum and policy even for those who attended private yeshivos that receive zero goyernment funding. The Chassidishe and Litvishe dayanim have already ruled that schools should be closed rather than comply with this law. Judaism's stance on such an issue is that if the goyernment decrees and mandates Jews to break Jewish Law or tradition (and in particular, sexual immorality), then one must not comply no matter the penalty. Jews are obligated to follow Torah Law, not secular law. If the secular law happens to correspond, that's nice; if it doesn't, then so much the worse for it. If, as in the case here of giloy arayus, the civil law contradicts Torah Law, then a Jew has zero halochic obligation to follow it. Standing firm on the refusal of teaching Jewish children matters of LGBT is a Kiddush Hashem and so funding will find its way one-route or another.


They're not only Chassidish, many (nearly half) are Litvish; others are Sefardish. For this reason, the articles covering the matter use the umbrella term, 'Chareidi'.

The majority of tzdaka/maaser money that makes its way into Chassidishe neighborhoods, including its yeshivos, seminaries and shuls, comes from secular Jews.


There are several thousand Jewish tzdaka/charity societies in the UK alone, responsible for aiding much of the observant community. In any case, the yeshivos will close down before any Chassidishe/Litvishe community allows such toieivo into the secular curriculum. Should the schools close down, others will be open(ed). Yeshivos are accessible to the observant Jewish community the world over, and have been for the last two millennia since Shimon ben Shetach and Yehoshua ben Gamla instituted compulsory Jewish education.
There are enough government funded jewish schools the segments of the community are having forums to determine what the next step will be once the govt. drops the hammer.

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Speaking of "following rules", years ago there was media coverage for a forum among segments of that community in NYC over commerce, and the amount of money being lost by merchants because their laws kept them from using the internet as internet commerce was taking off. The "rules" were amended, in the interest of making money. Principal over principles. A "reinterpretation" of their rules, I guess.

There is a large community of jews in the region I live in, religious and secular. While I don't know a fraction of what you know about your own community, variations of these stories about hasidim (and other segments) and govt. funding and regulations come up regularly here.

Most recently, during the measles outbreak of last year....segments of that community had to amend their "rules" to comply with govt. directives about public safety.

Can you give us more insight into the way the stance about the internet was amended to allow jewish merchants to profit? Was that a Talmudic rule that was amended? Since Jews have lived in Gentiles communities for centuries now, there had to have been compromises made to their beliefs/practices. Not sure I believe this hard rule you're mentioning about how "the schools will close before their violate beliefs". There are documented cases of members of those communities having to compromise.
 

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I dont blame these Khazars they know they got evangelical christians over a sofa arm with there pants down...you ever see these christian jew fellowship commercials with rabbis hustling dollars from american christians to fund there own shyt back home :mjlol:
 

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There are enough government funded jewish schools the segments of the community are having forums to determine what the next step will be once the govt. drops the hammer.
The UK's most prominent dayanim/rabbaeim have already ruled what should be done, and that is for yeshivos and seminaries to be closed (many have) rather than comply with this law. Because these sanctions are not a life risk, it's not a case of pikuach nefesh where a Jew is permitted to violate Torah Law for the sake of preserving human life. Even so, there are three categories of isurim or prohibitions in which a Jew may not transgress regardless of life risk. These particular isurim are part and parcel of y'horag val yevor, meaning one is required to relinquish one's life rather than succumb to violating any one of the three however minor it may seem. The situation at hand, giloy araius, is one of the three. The point here is that one must not comply no matter the sanction. If schools are closed, so be it.

Speaking of "following rules", years ago there was media coverage for a forum among segments of that community in NYC over commerce, and the amount of money being lost by merchants because their laws kept them from using the internet as internet commerce was taking off. The "rules" were amended, in the interest of making money. Principal over principles. A "reinterpretation" of their rules, I guess.

Can you give us more insight into the way the stance about the internet was amended to allow jewish merchants to profit?
There is nothing in Jewish Law forbidding a Jew from using the internet with the exception of use on Shabbes. It is not completely treif, just highly inadvisable. Many rabbaeim feel that unchecked internet has been and continues to be a major contributing factor to moral decay given its abundant display of licentiousness and general immorality. According to the Torah, the internet itself is not necessarily treif (it's just electricity and computers talking), but what one decides to do on it could very well be. Thus many rabbaeim urge that one refrain from use or put a filter lest the loose-clicking lead to iniquity. Even in some of the most insular chassidus exceptions are given regarding a computer with internet access pertaining to making a living (assuming the business is kosher) but only with filtered internet.

Was that a Talmudic rule that was amended?
No.

Most recently, during the measles outbreak of last year....segments of that community had to amend their "rules" to comply with govt. directives about public safety.
There was little to no concession at least in some chassidus hence the reason a dozen yeshivos were shut down. Nonetheless, the vaccination-objection issues were the result of personal choice, not halochic exemption. There is no basis in Jewish Law or tradition for non-immunization. Those deferring to the state's demands regarding this matter are not 'amend[ing]' any 'rules' of Jewish Law or tradition but rather of their own ideals and convictions. It is generally accepted that the Torah's precept to guard one's health and well-being includes taking necessary precautionary measures such as immunization. In fact, amid the measles brouhaha over 500 American Rabbaeim came out shortly before Pesach and signed a letter proclaiming immunization a chiav mi'd'oraiso, an obligation from the Torah.

There is a large community of jews in the region I live in, religious and secular. While I don't know a fraction of what you know about your own community, variations of these stories about hasidim (and other segments) and govt. funding and regulations come up regularly here.
These issues are a constant in every observant Jewish milieu. For the most part, the tension lies in the fact that Jews have NO obligation—moral, ethical or halochic—to obey secular rules and regulations should they violate the Torah (as is often the case).
 

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The UK goyernment has been threatening to shut down yeshivos (males) and seminaries (females) for many years to no avail. This isn't new. And they're not merely threatening to defund the yeshivos/seminaries, they're threatening to close down any yeshiva/seminary that refuses to promote acts of toieivo to six-year-olds through twelve-year-olds as an equal and valid lifestyle (regardless of who funds the schools). The goyernment claims the right to dictate the educational curriculum and policy even for those who attended private yeshivos that receive zero goyernment funding. The Chassidishe and Litvishe dayanim have already ruled that schools should be closed rather than comply with this law. Judaism's stance on such an issue is that if the goyernment decrees and mandates Jews to break Jewish Law or tradition (and in particular, sexual immorality), then one must not comply no matter the penalty. Jews are obligated to follow Torah Law, not secular law. .
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They Jews.
You all know they operate under a different set of rules. They could say they dont enroll Black students and no one would say shyt.
 

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but they'll make sure the schools your children attend do

ORTHODOX JEWS DONT GIVE A FUCC BOUT THE SCHOOLS YOUR CHILDREN ARE ATTENDING

DO U KNO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORTHODOX JEW AND A REFORM OR CONSERVATIVE JEW?
 
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