Origins of German Antisemitism and the Holocaust

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NOPE .. YOU SOUND LIKE A SLOUCH

You keep making this about what I want when i clearly said I dont want your help lol. Even in your scenario its not about specifically buying medication. Its about helping WHERE you can. If you prayed for someone but didnt actually take action to help them where you could, you're a hypocrite. See how I answered your scenario? Now walking past a homeless person with food in your hand, while also praying that he could have food is hypocritical. You had food to give and you didnt give it. You can find ways to help black people get what you claim to hope for but you wont. You're a hypocrite and that is why your hope for us is meaningless.

YOU DONT BELIEVE IN

I dont believe in anything that calls itself "god". You do but hey I know yall worship false idols already :coffee:
 

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You keep making this about what I want when i clearly said I dont want your help lol. Even in your scenario its not about specifically buying medication. Its about helping WHERE you can. If you prayed for someone but didnt actually take action to help them where you could, you're a hypocrite. See how I answered your scenario? Now walking past a homeless person with food in your hand, while also praying that he could have food is hypocritical. You had food to give and you didnt give it. You can find ways to help black people get what you claim to hope for but you wont. You're a hypocrite and that is why your hope for us is meaningless.



I dont believe in anything that calls itself "god". You do but hey I know yall worship false idols already :coffee:

I CAN GIVE A HOMELESS MAN ADVICE, BUT IM NOT THE TYPE TO BREAK HIM OFF SOME SPARE CHANGE WHEN I KNOW HE HAS THE GOD GIVEN ABILITY TO GET THAT ON HIS OWN .. SO YES, I WILL PRAY FOR HIM, HOPING THAT HE GETS IT TOGETHER MENTALLY SO THAT HE TOO CAN REACH THE DESTINATION HE HAS THE ABILITY TO REACH. IN MY OPINION, BREAKING OFF A HOMELESS DUDE WIT SOME SPARE CHANGE IS ONLY HELPING HIM REMAIN WHERE HE’S AT INSTEAD OF FURTHERING HIMSELF .. SO I DONT GET HOW THATS HYPOCRITICAL. TO WANT SOMEONE TO ACHIEVE SOMETHING IS NOT THE SAME AS WALKING THEM THROUGH IT HAND IN HAND ...... AND EVEN BASED ON WHAT YOURE SAYING, I DONT HAVE THAT LEVEL OF POWER, SO EVEN IF I DID WANA LEND SOME RESOURCES FOR THE CAUSE, I COULDNT. YOU REACHIN LIKE A MUFUCCA MAYN.

GOD IS THE ENGLISH WORD FOR ELOHIM. U DONT BELIEVE IN A HIGHER POWER PERIOD. IF U DID, U WOULDNT BE PETTY TO THE POINT WHERE U ARGUIN SEMANTICS FOR THE SAKE OF EGO.
 

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You're not going to learn any true history in any public school whether college or high school or elementary. Its all filled with narratives. So you bringing up your degree is irrelevant.

Your link said that Germany had to borrow money to pay of reparations lol. What are you even arguing against?
Where do you learn real history? Your conspiracy theory website that are run mostly by the alt right who hate Blacks?


I'm arguing that the German economy made a full recovery post WW1 before the great depression and that the Treaty of Versailles was standard Victor justice during that time period.




Im quoting the pretense Hitler used to come against the Jewish people. Not the narratives taught in public schools...

What quotes?



[QuoteQIn other words you're just typing to type. YOU'RE the one that said that Germany's economy didnt go into the tank until the Great Depression which is 100% false based on the graph you brought. You're welcome in regards to me pointing that out.[/quote]

I never claimed that the German economy didn't suffer as a result of world war 1. The reason they lost was because the British destroyed the German economy with their naval blockade. Still Belgium and France suffered far more and you didn't see them start murdering jews. It was something intrinsic in the German national identity .



Are Hitler's words in that hour long video or should I point out tha the video was put out by Goebbels and not Hitler?
Germany was an absolute dictatorship run completely by Hitler andGeobbels was the propaganda minister.

Are you saying Hitler didn't agree?

The waters are murky when it comes to what actually went on because of the narratives that were created afterwards. For instance theres the "transfer agreement" that Hitler made with Jews in 1933:

The Haavara Agreement (Hebrew: הסכם העברה Translit.: heskem haavara Translated: "transfer agreement") was an agreement between Nazi Germany and Zionist German Jews signed on 25 August 1933. The agreement was finalized after three months of talks by the Zionist Federation of Germany, the Anglo-Palestine Bank (under the directive of the Jewish Agency) and the economic authorities of Nazi Germany. It was a major factor in making possible the migration of approximately 60,000 German Jews to Palestine in 1933–1939.[1]

From 1933-1939 huh? Or how about money being passed out at concentration camps?

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I thought they were there to be killed? Why do they have a currency there? And above all that, there were also "Jewish" soldiers in the Nazi army. Theres definitely more to the story than we're told because, you know, the winners write the story not the losers.


Are you a Holocaust denier?
 

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Should have corrected myself, but I'll let the fools (not you :whoa:) get their daps off of it

I learned about chattel slavery when I was about 8 and the holocaust about 10-11. The setting was very different because I was directly concerned. At an age where I was only concerned about Yu-Gi-Oh and Dragon Ball, being the only black kid in the classroom with 30 white classmates and a white teacher, who I could feel weere all staring at me during the lessons to see my reactions, I didn't know how to feel really. I felt ashamed and uncomfortable so lil me processed it very differently. Now that I'm older I see that I tried to distance myself emotionally.

Plus it was taught in a very matter of fact tone on some "it's over anyways, old times". Slaves were not given a voice and everything was described through the eye of the enslaver. Another story altogether when it comes to the Holocaust who was a huge part of the program, had videos, testimonials, documentaries, movies, guests...

So at 10 I learned at the same time about the Ku Kux Klan and neo nazis. The teacher made us look them up on the internet so it wasn't no soft version. Plus we had for the first time literature about slavery and I visited Gorée Island in Senegal the same year. Had first racist experiences that year too. That's when the reality of slavery and racism really hit me and innocence left for real. shyt started to build up and I wasnt feeling well. Combined with Holocaust stories and the climate I evoked in my first post and you got lil 10 years old me crying in the bed asking dad why men were so evil.
You should have asked your dad why u were attending an all cac school you fakkit ass c00n

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BREAKING OFF A HOMELESS DUDE WIT SOME SPARE CHANGE IS ONLY HELPING HIM REMAIN WHERE HE’S AT INSTEAD OF FURTHERING HIMSELF

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Proverbs 14:21
“Whoever despises his neighbor is a sinner, but blessed is he who is generous to the poor.”

Proverbs 19:17
Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the LORD, and he will repay him for his deed.”

Proverbs 21:13
“Whoever closes his ear to the cry of the poor will himself call out and not be answered.”

Proverbs 22:9
“Whoever has a bountiful eye will be blessed, for he shares his bread with the poor.”

Proverbs 28:27
Those who give to the poor will lack nothing, but those who close their eyes to them receive many curses.

:mjlol: It doesnt say "pray for them but dont give them any help".. This is why I said to keep your prayers to yourself because you're not sincere about it...

GOD IS THE ENGLISH .

Moses gave the Name in Hebrew :coffee:
 

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Where do you learn real history? Your conspiracy theory website that are run mostly by the alt right who hate Blacks?


I'm arguing that the German economy made a full recovery post WW1 before the great depression and that the Treaty of Versailles was standard Victor justice during that time period.

Theres plenty of books on the subject that detail history that isnt taught in public schools.

And you're arguing against the wind if thats your argument. Never said anything against any of that...

What quotes?

You said Im quoting propaganda and I said Im quoting the pretense they used to do what they did.

I never claimed that the German economy didn't suffer as a result of world war 1. The reason they lost was because the British destroyed the German economy with their naval blockade. Still Belgium and France suffered far more and you didn't see them start murdering jews. It was something intrinsic in the German national identity .

No you claimed that the economy was at its worst during the Great Depression showing that you didnt even read the graph you brought. I never said anything they did was justified so bringing up "Belgium and France didnt start murdering Jews" isnt relevant.

Germany was an absolute dictatorship run completely by Hitler andGeobbels was the propaganda minister.

Are you saying Hitler didn't agree?

I asked for Hitler's words. Do you have something?


Are you a Holocaust denier?

Im a truth seeker. I dont care for your labels. Do you have an answer to what I said?
 

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Edward Bernays - Wikipedia

Considered the father of modern propaganda, wrote two huge books about it.

Related to Sigmund Freud btw

He literally created the blueprint that Joseph Goebbels, the Minister of Propaganda and Culture of Nazi Germany used during the Nazi regime.


At the exact same time the Nazi propaganda machine was stereotyping and maligning the image of the jew in Europe, jewish american studio heads were stereotyping and maligning the image of Black people in Hollywood.

You're speaking of the Talmud. Many sources, both antisemitic and neutral, reported it as Jewish supremacist doctrine.

Not the Bible, especially not the New Testament and the gospel (salvation by grace through faith in Christ Jesus, Lord and Lamb of God) John 3.16

Yes, there's an entire industry of jewish writers who juelz and cop pleas to explain why the passages in the Talmud don't mean exactly what they say. If you've ever seen Carlito's Way, these writers are all Lalin'ing, and it's obvious to any objective person.

I disagree with you about the Bible though....obviously the OT.
Filled with verses such as

Deut 14:2
For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God, and the Lord hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth
 

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Proverbs 14:21
“Whoever despises his neighbor is a sinner, but blessed is he who is generous to the poor.”

Proverbs 19:17
Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the LORD, and he will repay him for his deed.”

Proverbs 21:13
“Whoever closes his ear to the cry of the poor will himself call out and not be answered.”

Proverbs 22:9
“Whoever has a bountiful eye will be blessed, for he shares his bread with the poor.”

Proverbs 28:27
Those who give to the poor will lack nothing, but those who close their eyes to them receive many curses.

:mjlol: It doesnt say "pray for them but dont give them any help".. This is why I said to keep your prayers to yourself because you're not sincere about it...



Moses gave the Name in Hebrew :coffee:

I BELIEVE SHARING ADVICE AND LENDING PRAYER TO THE POOR IS BEING GENEROUS .. I ALSO BELIEVE BEING A CRUTCH TO THEIR WEAKNESS HINDERS THEIR DEVELOPMENT. BUT IN JUDAISM, WE DO BELIEVE IN INVITING THEM TO THE TABLE TO EAT WIT US. WE ALSO BELIEVE PRAYER ALONE HOLDS A GREAT AMOUNT OF POWER. THEREIN LIES THE DIFFERENCE.

HEBREW.. MY FIRST LANGUAGE.. SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT.

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Theres plenty of books on the subject that detail history that isnt taught in public schools.

What books? And by whom? David Irving?

[QuoteQAnd you're arguing against the wind if thats your argument. Never said anything against any of that...[/quote]
So if the German economy recovered post ww1 where does it leave the argument that the Jews purposely destroyed the German economy?



[QuoteQuot said Im quoting propaganda and I said Im quoting the pretense they used to do what they did.[/quote]
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No you claimed that the economy was at its worst during the Great Depression showing that you didnt even read the graph you brought. I never said anything they did was justified so bringing up "Belgium and France didnt start murdering Jews" isnt relevant.
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[QuoteQu asked for Hitler's words. Do you have something?[/quote]
Was there any excrement, any shamelessness in any form, above all in cultural life, in which at least one Jew would not have been involved? As soon as one even carefully cut into such an abscess, one found, like maggots in a decaying body, often blinded by the sudden light, a kikeh

The black-haired Jewish youth lies in wait for hours on end, satanically glaring at and spying on the unsuspicious girl whom he plans to seduce, adulterating her blood and removing her from the bosom of her own people. The Jew uses every possible means to undermine the racial foundations of a subjugated people. In his systematic efforts to ruin girls and women he strives to break down the last barriers of discrimination between him and other peoples. The Jews were responsible for bringing Negroes into the Rhineland, with the ultimate idea of b*stardizing the white race which they hate and thus lowering its cultural and political level so that the Jew might dominate. For as long as a people remain racially pure and are conscious of the treasure of their blood, they can never be overcome by the Jew. Never in this world can the Jew become master of any people except a b*stardized people.

  • With the Jewish people the readiness for sacrifice does not extend beyond the simple instinct of individual preservation. In their case the feeling of racial solidarity which they apparently manifest is nothing but a very primitive gregarious instinct, similar to that which may be found among other organisms in this world.


Tell me if Hitler didn't hate the Jews racially, why did he make it a crime to marry Jew?

Why did he kill millions of poor Jews in eastern Europe?

Im a truth seeker. I dont care for your labels. Do you have an answer to what I said?

Do you believe the holocaust is whole or partially false?
 

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At the exact same time the Nazi propaganda machine was stereotyping and maligning the image of the jew in Europe, jewish american studio heads were stereotyping and maligning the image of Black people in Hollywood.



Yes, there's an entire industry of jewish writers who juelz and cop pleas to explain why the passages in the Talmud don't mean exactly what they say. If you've ever seen Carlito's Way, these writers are all Lalin'ing, and it's obvious to any objective person.

I disagree with you about the Bible though....obviously the OT.
Filled with verses such as

Deut 14:2
For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God, and the Lord hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth

SMH U DONT REALLY THINK JEWS RAN HOLLYWOOD DURING THE NAZI ERA, DO U? .. JEWS EVEN HAD TO HIDE THE FACT THAT THEY WERE JEWISH TO BE PROMINENT IN FILM BACK THEN. TALK ABOUT GOIN OUT OF YOUR WAY TO HATE.
 

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My Bachelor's is in history.

They were sore losers. The terms imposed on Germany after the treaty of Versailles was no different than the terms Germany imposed on France after the Franco Prussian war

Treaty of Versailles (1871) - Wikipedia

Th terms of the treaty included a war indemnity of five billion francs to be paid by France to Germany. The German army would continue to occupy parts of France until the payment was complete. The treaty also recognized Wilhelm I as the Kaiser of the newly united German Empire. Preliminary discussion began on the cession of Alsaceand the Moselle region of Lorraine, to Germany. Despite Bismarck's objections, Moltke and his generals insisted that the territory was necessary as a defensive barrier. Bismarck opposed the annexation because he did not wish to make Germany a permanent enemy of France.[2] The portion annexed of Alsace-Lorraine was later slightly reduced at the Treaty of Frankfurt, allowing France to retain the Territory of Belfort.



So the Germans in 1871 occupied French territory, took their land(Alsace Lorraine was the industrial heartland of France) and made then pay for the war.

This was common practice in Europe when you lost a war. You paid reparations and lost land.



Consider the treaty the Germans imposed on the Russians when the Russians signed an armstice during WW1

Treaty of Brest-Litovsk - Wikipedia


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When the Herero lost to the Germans they were driven into the desert to starve and die.









The German economy recovered completely by 1923.

From 1924-1929 is known as the Golden Age of the Weimer Republic

If the Treaty of Versailles was so harsh why did the German evonomy recover so fast after the war?

The Golden Age of Weimar


An artistic portrayal of urban life during the golden age

Th years 1924-29 are often described as the ‘Golden Age of Weimar’ because of their stability, economic security and improved living standards – at least in relation to previous years. The seeds of German recovery were planted in the autumn of 1923 when Gustav Stresemann was elevated to the chancellorship. Stresemann and his ministers formulated plans to arrest the hyperinflation crisis by introducing a new currency, the Rentenmark, and fixed its value to gold prices. The government announced its determination to meet reparations payments and sought international assistance to do so. The US-led Dawes Plan was finalised in April 1924 and implemented four months later.





Between 1924 and 1929 the dying German economy was injected with more than $25 billion of foreign money. More than half of this money came from American loans; most of the rest was organised by American bankers acting as intermediaries. The American government and US corporations also provided Germany with financial and industrial expertise. All this support contributed to a surge in German production during the mid-1920s. New factories were constructed or converted, many using newly developed mechanisation and assembly line techniques. The restoration of reparation payments saw France and Belgium withdraw from the Ruhr in mid-1925, freeing up Germany’s industrial resources there. German economic growth after 1924 exceeded that of France and Britain. By 1929 Germany was producing 33 per cent more than before the war and had regained her mantle as the second-highest producing industrial nation after the US.




You're juelzing hard for the extermination of 5.5 million people, + 20 million Slavs, Africans, Poles, Roma ect


Germans didn't believe Jews to be white. They believed that Jews, Slavs ECT were untermensch.

They created a whole racial science behind it. Where do you get the idea it was economic warfare and not racial?


1) France started the 1870 war. So they were responsible for that war and they needed to pay.

2) The treaty of Versailles was bad because it treated Germany like the only responsible for the war, which was not true, and terms of the Treaty were too harsh on Germany. France, Russia, and Germany share an equal responsibility for that war. Great Britain was also gassing France up to move on Germany.
 

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1) France started the 1870 war. So they were responsible for that war and they needed to pay.
Germany started WW1.

July Crisis - Wikipedia

O 1 July, Viktor Naumann, a German journalist and friend of German Foreign Secretary Gottlieb von Jagow, approached Berchtold's chief of cabinet, Alexander, Count of Hoyos. Naumann's advice was that it was time to annihilate Serbia and that Germany could be expected to stand by her ally.[25] The next day, German Ambassador Heinrich von Tschirschky spoke to Emperor Franz Joseph and stated that it was his estimate that Wilhelm II would support resolute, well-thought-out action by Austria-Hungary with regard to Serbia.[25]

On 2 July, the Saxon Ambassador in Berlin wrote back to his king that the German Army wanted Austria to attack Serbia as quickly as possible because the time was right for a general war since Germany was more prepared for war than either Russia or France.[26] On 3 July, the Saxon military attaché in Berlin reported that the German General Staff "would be pleased if war were to come about now".[27]


Without German guarantee of support, Austria never attacks Serbia

2) The treaty of Versailles was bad because it treated Germany like the only responsible for the war, which was not true, and terms of the Treaty were too harsh on Germany. France, Russia and Germany shared an equal burden for that war. Great Britain was also gassing France up to move on Germany.


The treaty of Versailles was no worse than treaties German imposed on people it defeated see Treaty of Brest-Litovsk - Wikipedia.

It wasn't even fully enforced.

The Germans got off light .if the allies invade Germany and do to Germany what they did to the Belgians, French and Serbs. There's no ww2
 

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Germany started WW1.

July Crisis - Wikipedia

O 1 July, Viktor Naumann, a German journalist and friend of German Foreign Secretary Gottlieb von Jagow, approached Berchtold's chief of cabinet, Alexander, Count of Hoyos. Naumann's advice was that it was time to annihilate Serbia and that Germany could be expected to stand by her ally.[25] The next day, German Ambassador Heinrich von Tschirschky spoke to Emperor Franz Joseph and stated that it was his estimate that Wilhelm II would support resolute, well-thought-out action by Austria-Hungary with regard to Serbia.[25]

On 2 July, the Saxon Ambassador in Berlin wrote back to his king that the German Army wanted Austria to attack Serbia as quickly as possible because the time was right for a general war since Germany was more prepared for war than either Russia or France.[26] On 3 July, the Saxon military attaché in Berlin reported that the German General Staff "would be pleased if war were to come about now".[27]


Without German guarantee of support, Austria never attacks Serbia




The treaty of Versailles was no worse than treaties German imposed on people it defeated see Treaty of Brest-Litovsk - Wikipedia.

It wasn't even fully enforced.

The Germans got off light .if the allies invade Germany and do to Germany what they did to the Belgians, French and Serbs. There's no ww2

Germany had no choice but to back Austria. You need to remember that before that, France assured Russia that it will help it if Austria Hunagry attacked Serbia. If you know that Germany has only one ally, Austria Hungary, and can't afford to lose it, and you tell another great power that they can attack that country, you're looking for a war with Germany. And France did it on purpose. To be honest, The Czar did not want war: he was mainly influenced by his wife and Rasputin. Rasputin told him:"If you start this war, you'll lose your throne and your life". He was right... But the entourage of the Czar wanted war. And they colluded with France to push the Czar in that direction. French newspapers, in 1913-1914, were full of papers, paid by the French government and the Russian embassy, calling for an alliance with the massive Russian army to crush aggressive Germany.

When Austrians were shelling Belgrade, Germany asked for a peace conference hosted by GB and was asking to Franz Ferdinand to stop the attack on Serbia (he was literally begging them) and to not go further than shelling Belgrad. On July 30 at 4 PM. Russians mobilized their troops. Austrians only mobilized on 31 July ON 8 AM. Russians general mobilization was not the result of Austrians mobilization, it was the other way around. On August 1st, the German Kaizer sent a telegram, begging the Czar to stop the mobilization. He refused. Germany declared war on Russia and France. They had no choice at that point.

I'm not saying Germany was peaceful. However, it must be noted that the Kaizer did not want war, contrary to what some people think. He did not want that war. But people in Germany, like the pangermanists, wanted war. A guy like Van Moltke was sending telegrams to the Austrian army telling them to keep going. So Germany has a responsibility in that war. But if we look at the profound reasons of that war, Germany was not the sole responsible, like it stated in the Treaty of Versaille. That's a lie.
 
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