Origins of German Antisemitism and the Holocaust

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Im not sure where you're getting any of your information from breh. Germans felt they got screwed with the Treaty of Versailles which imposed that they had to pay hundreds of billions of dollars to the allied powers in reparations because of WW1. That happened around 1920 which is exactly why you see the drop around that time in the graph you brought.

My Bachelor's is in history.

They were sore losers. The terms imposed on Germany after the treaty of Versailles was no different than the terms Germany imposed on France after the Franco Prussian war

Treaty of Versailles (1871) - Wikipedia

Th terms of the treaty included a war indemnity of five billion francs to be paid by France to Germany. The German army would continue to occupy parts of France until the payment was complete. The treaty also recognized Wilhelm I as the Kaiser of the newly united German Empire. Preliminary discussion began on the cession of Alsaceand the Moselle region of Lorraine, to Germany. Despite Bismarck's objections, Moltke and his generals insisted that the territory was necessary as a defensive barrier. Bismarck opposed the annexation because he did not wish to make Germany a permanent enemy of France.[2] The portion annexed of Alsace-Lorraine was later slightly reduced at the Treaty of Frankfurt, allowing France to retain the Territory of Belfort.



So the Germans in 1871 occupied French territory, took their land(Alsace Lorraine was the industrial heartland of France) and made then pay for the war.

This was common practice in Europe when you lost a war. You paid reparations and lost land.



Consider the treaty the Germans imposed on the Russians when the Russians signed an armstice during WW1

Treaty of Brest-Litovsk - Wikipedia


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When the Herero lost to the Germans they were driven into the desert to starve and die.







What you're saying here is not based on the graph you brought then. Because the graph you brought shows the economy was at its worst during/after WW1 and WW2. The Great Depression happened somewhere between the late 20's to 30's which, according to the graph you brought, Germany was doing alot better than the time periods I just brought up.

The German economy recovered completely by 1923.

From 1924-1929 is known as the Golden Age of the Weimer Republic

If the Treaty of Versailles was so harsh why did the German evonomy recover so fast after the war?

The Golden Age of Weimar


An artistic portrayal of urban life during the golden age

Th years 1924-29 are often described as the ‘Golden Age of Weimar’ because of their stability, economic security and improved living standards – at least in relation to previous years. The seeds of German recovery were planted in the autumn of 1923 when Gustav Stresemann was elevated to the chancellorship. Stresemann and his ministers formulated plans to arrest the hyperinflation crisis by introducing a new currency, the Rentenmark, and fixed its value to gold prices. The government announced its determination to meet reparations payments and sought international assistance to do so. The US-led Dawes Plan was finalised in April 1924 and implemented four months later.





Between 1924 and 1929 the dying German economy was injected with more than $25 billion of foreign money. More than half of this money came from American loans; most of the rest was organised by American bankers acting as intermediaries. The American government and US corporations also provided Germany with financial and industrial expertise. All this support contributed to a surge in German production during the mid-1920s. New factories were constructed or converted, many using newly developed mechanisation and assembly line techniques. The restoration of reparation payments saw France and Belgium withdraw from the Ruhr in mid-1925, freeing up Germany’s industrial resources there. German economic growth after 1924 exceeded that of France and Britain. By 1929 Germany was producing 33 per cent more than before the war and had regained her mantle as the second-highest producing industrial nation after the US.


I never said anything about "feeling bad for them"..

You're juelzing hard for the extermination of 5.5 million people, + 20 million Slavs, Africans, Poles, Roma ect
I never blamed 10 million people. I said that the banks caused the Great Depression. If the people at the head of these banks are people that call themselves Jewish then people can draw their own conclusions based on that. That has nothing to do with rest of their population having nothing to do with the banking sector THOUGH the rest of the population can benefit from favoritory loans that may be thrown their way to start businesses. Right or wrong, Hitler saw this happening to his country and used it as a pretense for his plan. Whether this was actually happening or was just jealousy on the part of a nation that was struggling and saw people within its borders that werent isnt really relevant. THAT is what the origin of german "antisemitism" is. Not the "they werent white like us" narrative that is pushed nowadays...

Germans didn't believe Jews to be white. They believed that Jews, Slavs ECT were untermensch.

They created a whole racial science behind it. Where do you get the idea it was economic warfare and not racial?
 

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FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE NO POWER TO “REDIRECT BILLIONS” ANYWHERE LMFAO .

This is why I said keep your hope and definitely your prayers to yourself. Because you're not willing to put any action behind those things. I never said you could do those things but just pointed out that you're not willing to do ANYTHING to help black people achieve these things. And its not on you to, but thats why again, you should keep your hope/prayer to yourself. Because if you really meant it, you'd be about action in helping black people achieve these things.

BUT THATS DOPE THO .

Just pointing out a fact that your people have fought to make it illegal to even question what they "went thru" with the holocaust. You dont know why they made it illegal at all or even in countries that had nothing to do with the holocaust. Now that thats established its because of propaganda that they want to continue to peddle. Control the money supply, and you can control the flow of information...

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I CAN CARE LESS ABOUT WHAT COLUMBUS BELIEVES ..

That wasnt the question. I asked you where he believed Israel to be? If you dont know say it. Saying "I dont care" doesnt answer the question.

And its narrative to say he didnt know where he was going when he took moors with him who had been there before him.

WRONG .. READ THE QUOTE AGAIN.

Bring the quote. If its in the thread, it shouldnt be too hard to highlight where he said what you claim he said...

SAME WIT MEIN KAMPF.. DENYING THAT ONE OF HITLERS PRIMARY TALKING POINT WAS PRESERVING THE ARYAN RACE IS LUDICROUS. ITS LIKE IF I ASKED YOU TO SHOW ME QUOTES OF DONALD TRUMP CLAIMING HE WANTS TO BUILD A WALL

No its not like that because if you asked me to provide quotes from Trump, I could bring quotes AND video of him saying exactly that. You cant seem to bring either when it comes to Hitler.. Interesting to say the least

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This is why I said keep your hope and definitely your prayers to yourself. Because you're not willing to put any action behind those things. I never said you could do those things but just pointed out that you're not willing to do ANYTHING to help black people achieve these things. And its not on you to, but thats why again, you should keep your hope/prayer to yourself. Because if you really meant it, you'd be about action in helping black people achieve these things.



Just pointing out a fact that your people have fought to make it illegal to even question what they "went thru" with the holocaust. You dont know why they made it illegal at all or even in countries that had nothing to do with the holocaust. Now that thats established its because of propaganda that they want to continue to peddle. Control the money supply, and you can control the flow of information...

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That wasnt the question. I asked you where he believed Israel to be? If you dont know say it. Saying "I dont care" doesnt answer the question.

And its narrative to say he didnt know where he was going when he took moors with him who had been there before him.



Bring the quote. If its in the thread, it shouldnt be too hard to highlight where he said what you claim he said...



No its not like that because if you asked me to provide quotes from Trump, I could bring quotes AND video of him saying exactly that. You cant seem to bring either when it comes to Hitler.. Interesting to say the least

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NOPE .. OFFERING PRAYER IS SOMETHING. IF YOU BELIEVED IN GOD, U WOULD KNOW THAT. ACTION AINT SHIIT WITOUT THE RIGHT ENERGY.

THATS 1 THEORY AMONGST MANY .. LIKE I SAID, MAYBE ONE DAY YOU CAN GET TO THE POINT WHERE QUESTIONING SLAVERY IS ILLEGAL. THAT WOULD BE DOPE.

MANY DIFFERENT THEORIES ON COLUMBUS, NOT ENOUGH SUBSTANTIAL PROOF TO DISCUSS THIS FURTHER. I ALREADY KNOW WHAT U (WANT TO) BELIEVE THO.

NOW U WANT ME TO DO GOOGLE SEARCHES AND READ BACK IN THREADS TO PROVIDE YOU QUOTES ON THE OBVIOUS - I AINT YOUR HOE FAM, U CAN DO THAT ON YOUR OWN. NOW IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WASNT SO CUT N DRY, I MIGHT HELP U OUT THERE.. BUT NAAH.
 

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My Bachelor's is in history.

So what? You think they teach true history in public schools? :mjlol:

They were sore losers.

Not relevant. Im explaining the pretense he used for war. Not whether it was right or wrong, or justified or not.


The German economy recovered completely by 1923.

From 1924-1929 is known as the Golden Age of the Weimer Republic

If the Treaty of Versailles was so harsh why did the German evonomy recover so fast after the war?

Why are you asking me about something your link explains? And why arent you explaining how the graph YOU brought shows that their worst times werent even during the Great Depression years?



You're juelzing hard for the extermination of 5.5 million people, + 20 million Slavs, Africans, Poles, Roma ect

Umm no. I never said that anything that happened was deserved. I answered the question to the thread the "origins of German antisemitism and the holocaust". I never even said the "origins" were legitimate.

Germans didn't believe Jews to be white. They believed that Jews, Slavs ECT were untermensch.

They created a whole racial science behind it. Where do you get the idea it was economic warfare and not racial?

Maybe you can point me to Hitler's "main talking point being that the Jewish people were subhuman". Have any quotes? Because that would do a whole lot to lead me to the conclusion of it being "racial".

I gave you my opinion already of why its economic warfare...
 
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NOPE .. OFFERING PRAYER IS SOMETHING. IF YOU BELIEVED IN GOD, U WOULD KNOW THAT. ACTION AINT SHIIT WITOUT THE RIGHT ENERGY.

You're willing to offer prayer, but no action. Which makes your prayer worthless. If I see a homeless man starving, have food in my hand, but just walk by and say a prayer without helping him, then my prayer is worthless. You have the ability to get out there and fight for what you say you "hope and pray" blacks get. But you're not willing to
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THATS 1 THEORY AMONGST MANY

The only one that matters is the truth. And its 100% true that if someone controls a nation's money supply they can also control the flow of information within said country...

MANY DIFFERENT THEORIES ON COLUMBUS

Its not a theory on where he believed Israel was. He wrote about it in his journal before coming to America.

NOW U WANT ME TO DO GOOGLE SEARCHES AND READ BACK IN THREADS TO PROVIDE YOU QUOTES ON THE OBVIOUS

Well thats the end of the convo then. If you're not willing to back up what you say then theres not much further we can go than this. Im not going to take you on your word because you believe in narratives and lies :coffee:

Good day to you though...
 

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This thread is simplistic and totally naive. Offering explanations out of any history book, not adding anything of value.

As for this fukking lunatic raving about “Jewish Bolshevism” like its 1933 Berlin
This guy is an outright Nazi.

typical cac misdirection, first try to discredit a trending topic with 100+ replies
then insult a poster you dont agree with and damage his credibility,

go back in your cave khazar, HYON and stop using other cultures to fight your holy wars and back your activism....
 

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You're willing to offer prayer, but no action. Which makes your prayer worthless. If I see a homeless man starving, have food in my hand, but just walk by and say a prayer without helping him, then my prayer is worthless. You have the ability to get out there and fight for what you say you "hope and pray" blacks get. But you're not willing to
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The only one that matters is the truth. And its 100% true that if someone controls a nation's money supply they can also control the flow of information within said country...



Its not a theory on where he believed Israel was. He wrote about it in his journal before coming to America.



Well thats the end of the convo then. If you're not willing to back up what you say then theres not much further we can go than this. Im not going to take you on your word because you believe in narratives and lies :coffee:

Good day to you though...

SEE, IF U BELIEVED IN GOD YOU WOULD NEVER SAY PRAYER IS WORTHLESS JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE IS WILLING TO PRAY FOR YOU BUT NOT WILLING TO HOLD YOUR HAND THROUGH THE PROCESS.. THATS LIKE SAYIN IF SOME1 HAD CANCER I CANT PRAY FOR THEM JUST BECAUSE IM NOT WILLING TO PAY FOR THEIR MEDICATION. HELLA DUMB AND VERY GODLESS IN THEORY. BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THE ONLY REASON YOURE SAYIN THIS IS DUE TO PRIDE WHICH IS ANOTHER THING U NEED TO KILL IF U TRULY WANT TO PROSPER.

THATS DOPE

REALLY? POST HIS JOURNAL ENTRIES. I NEED TO SEE THE QUOTES.
 

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typical cac misdirection, first try to discredit a trending topic with 100+ replies
then insult a poster you dont agree with and damage his credibility,

go back in your cave khazar, HYON and stop using other cultures to fight your holy wars and back your activism....


ANOTHER GENIUS WHO GENUINELY THINKS ALL JEWS ARE KHAZARS

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SEE, IF U BELIEVED IN GOD

I dont believe in any entity that called/calls himself "God"

And Im just pointing out how you're willing to give "hope and prayer" but no action. I didnt ask you for anything. I said your prayer/hope is worthless if you're not willing to help what you're praying for come to pass when you're able to help.


I ask you to back up what you say, you refuse (because you cant). You then turn around and ask me to back up what I say lol..

Its clear the convo has run its course based on that. :coffee:
 

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I dont believe in any entity that called/calls himself "God"

And Im just pointing out how you're willing to give "hope and prayer" but no action. I didnt ask you for anything. I said your prayer/hope is worthless if you're not willing to help what you're praying for come to pass when you're able to help.



I ask you to back up what you say, you refuse (because you cant). You then turn around and ask me to back up what I say lol..

Its clear the convo has run its course based on that. :coffee:


EXACTLY .. U NOT WILLIN TO DO EXACTLY WHAT U ASKED OF ME, ONLY UR ASKING ME TO REHASH STUFF THAT WAS ALREADY DISCLOSED IN THIS VERY THREAD - STRUGGLIN

AND IF U DONT BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF ENERGY OR HAVE FAITH IN GOD, I CAN SEE WHY U EXPECT OTHERS TO MAKE MOVES FOR YOU

STAY UP BRODIE
 

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So what? You think they teach true history in public schools? :mjlol:

You're right. Most public schools to teach the treaty of Versailles ruined Germany or that blitzkrieg was a thing. That's why I said Bachelor's not diploma.



Not relevant. Im explaining the pretense he used for war. Not whether it was right or wrong, or justified or not.
You're quoting German propaganda instead of actual facts.




Why are you asking me about something your link explains? And why arent you explaining how the graph YOU brought shows that their worst times werent even during the Great Depression years?
I'm asking to think critically. Yes the worst times were not during the great depression in fact the German economy continued to uptick even during the global crunch. Thanks for pointing that out.




Ummno. I never said that anything that happened was deserved. I answered the question to the thread the "origins of German antisemitism and the holocaust". I never even said the "origins" were legitimate.
Fair enough.



Maybe you can point me to Hitler's "main talking point being that the Jewish people were subhuman". Have any quotes? Because that would do a whole lot to lead me to the conclusion of it being "racial".

I gave you my opinion already of why its economic warfare...

 

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I have no problem supporting my beliefs. And can do so whenever you choose to support your beliefs. If you dont want to do that with what you say, then I dont want to do that with what I say. With you at least.

AND IF U DONT BELIEVE

I told you I dont believe in an entity that calls itself "god".

Thats first. Secondly, I called out that you're hypocrisy in that you're not willing to help. Thats it. You claim to want something for black people but when it comes to putting in the work to obtain it you're nowhere to be found. Again, I didnt ask you to do anything. I dont want you doing anything. Im just pointing out YOUR hypocrisy. Instead of answering that you bring up your made up entity "god" as if I worship anyone named/called that.
 

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I have no problem supporting my beliefs. And can do so whenever you choose to support your beliefs. If you dont want to do that with what you say, then I dont want to do that with what I say. With you at least.



I told you I dont believe in an entity that calls itself "god".

Thats first. Secondly, I called out that you're hypocrisy in that you're not willing to help. Thats it. You claim to want something for black people but when it comes to putting in the work to obtain it you're nowhere to be found. Again, I didnt ask you to do anything. I dont want you doing anything. Im just pointing out YOUR hypocrisy. Instead of answering that you bring up your made up entity "god" as if I worship anyone named/called that.

NOPE .. YOU SOUND LIKE A SLOUCH TBH. LIKE I SAID, IF I PRAY FOR SOMEONE TO GET BETTER FROM CANCER, DOESNT MEAN I NEED TO ALSO BUY THEM THE MEDICATION TOO. STOP LOOKING FOR HANDOUTS .. HOPING TO SEE SOMEONE SUCCEED DOESNT MEAN YOU HAVE TO HOLD THEIR HAND THROUGH THE PROCESS. LIKE I SAID, BIITCH MENTALITY.

YOU DONT BELIEVE IN A HIGHER POWER, PERIOD. IF YOU DID, U WOULD NEVER FORM ALL OF YOUR OPINIONS AROUND YOUR PRIDE THE WAY YOU DO.
 

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You're right. Most public schools to teach the treaty of Versailles ruined Germany or that blitzkrieg was a thing. That's why I said Bachelor's not diploma.

You're not going to learn any true history in any public school whether college or high school or elementary. Its all filled with narratives. So you bringing up your degree is irrelevant.

Your link said that Germany had to borrow money to pay of reparations lol. What are you even arguing against?


You're quoting German propaganda instead of actual facts.

Im quoting the pretense Hitler used to come against the Jewish people. Not the narratives taught in public schools...

I'm asking to think critically. Yes the worst times were not during the great depression in fact the German economy continued to uptick even during the global crunch. Thanks for pointing that out.


In other words you're just typing to type. YOU'RE the one that said that Germany's economy didnt go into the tank until the Great Depression which is 100% false based on the graph you brought. You're welcome in regards to me pointing that out.



Are Hitler's words in that hour long video or should I point out tha the video was put out by Goebbels and not Hitler?

The waters are murky when it comes to what actually went on because of the narratives that were created afterwards. For instance theres the "transfer agreement" that Hitler made with Jews in 1933:

The Haavara Agreement (Hebrew: הסכם העברה Translit.: heskem haavara Translated: "transfer agreement") was an agreement between Nazi Germany and Zionist German Jews signed on 25 August 1933. The agreement was finalized after three months of talks by the Zionist Federation of Germany, the Anglo-Palestine Bank (under the directive of the Jewish Agency) and the economic authorities of Nazi Germany. It was a major factor in making possible the migration of approximately 60,000 German Jews to Palestine in 1933–1939.[1]

From 1933-1939 huh? Or how about money being passed out at concentration camps?

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I thought they were there to be killed? Why do they have a currency there? And above all that, there were also "Jewish" soldiers in the Nazi army. Theres definitely more to the story than we're told because, you know, the winners write the story not the losers.
 
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