-How is taking someone & locking them up somewhere indefinitely different than a prison? How they gonna be fulfilled being held against their will & what's your idea of productive?
Oregon decriminalized hard drugs. It isn’t working
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-How is taking someone & locking them up somewhere indefinitely different than a prison? How they gonna be fulfilled being held against their will & what's your idea of productive?
The God Poster
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What in your right mind would think addicts would willingly go in bunches to get clean?
Especially considering these are hard drugs. It’s more than just quitting cold turkey at this point
Sometimes you gotta sit people down. Whether that be jail or extended rehab.
Now you got a potential to get the GOAT graduate to prison class
Putting people in jail for drug usage is a crime of the state. Full stop
Wait, they had a real life "Hamsterdam" in Oregon? 
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Screwed up... till tha casket drops!!
it doesn't if "it" isn't working or some cacs' feelings get hurt at seeing the poors, this is the price of freedom. free people have the right to engage in free trade and to ingest whatever they want even if it's harmful. kidnapping people at gunpoint for doing so, then throwing them in private prisons is state-sponsored slavery and those who want it are enslaver apologists, the freedom of particular minority groups is stolen for profit and they cheer it on.
Is it a decriminalization issue or a housing and not handling it like a health issue?
You can't just decriminalize hard drugs and walk away. The idea is to channel the criminalization budgets into health and treatment.
You can't just decriminalize hard drugs and walk away. The idea is to channel the criminalization budgets into health and treatment.
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Haven’t been to Oregon since pre pandemic but I feel like they had a lot of issues socially they had to work on aside from legalizing the hard drugs.
In fact, solely legalizing drugs alone is never the answer to problems they were already dealing with
Like, all the times I’d walk in downtown Portland, the homeless population and their mental health issues became apparent.
It surprised me for a city like Portland, just didn’t seem to make sense, all the suffering people.
Plus, I have this older friend who’s a woman who’s from there and she’s always talking shyt about how Portland is/was so it’s always made me feel skeptical about the legalization of the hard drugs. Mostly because she would talk about how she abused drugs there in the 90s before she moved to get away from all that shyt
In fact, solely legalizing drugs alone is never the answer to problems they were already dealing with
Like, all the times I’d walk in downtown Portland, the homeless population and their mental health issues became apparent.
It surprised me for a city like Portland, just didn’t seem to make sense, all the suffering people.
Plus, I have this older friend who’s a woman who’s from there and she’s always talking shyt about how Portland is/was so it’s always made me feel skeptical about the legalization of the hard drugs. Mostly because she would talk about how she abused drugs there in the 90s before she moved to get away from all that shyt
The Pledge
THE PRICE OF THE BRICK GOING UP!
How you gonna decriminalize drugs but not give us free healthcare? Sounds like a silent genocide to me.
I am for decriminalizing usage of hard drugs, but if you are using them and are on the street or committing crimes, you need to be put in a rehab center. An overhaul of the mental health services available needs to be done. Using hard drugs is even more of a problem if you are on the streets homeless and not in your right mind.
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Veteran
Sure it sounded good as the proponents were lecturing about it. In theory versus in practice, though.
Prison is a punishment, this is medicine. there are no punitive measures here. There are no gaurds, lockdowns, bunks, or any of the other punitive measures. It need no be a single, dreary institutional building either. You could pick any subdivision is suburbia and use the whole area as such a place. Kinda like how there are senior living communities that dont resemble hospitalsa nd are like normal subdiviosions with a bunch of camouflaged health facilities in the area.
These former drug addicts are free to do everything somebody on the outside can; the only difference is drugs cannot enter the grounds and the medical component is mandatory. They can do whatever they want with their day.
by productive, i describe working fulfilling jobs(no different than outside ones, at the same rate as outside people), they are getting all the entertainment perks of an outside person, getting the same education of an outside person, freedom to procreate and marry, etc. This is how its productive. It is not punitive. They are treated like a medical patient at a hospital who can do whatever with themselves as long as they are on their treatment regimen and remain in the controlled environment.
As you can see, they still are embedded in the greater society, while being permanently separated from their vice. the only restrictions are mandatory therapy, initial medical rehab to wear off symptoms , and the inability to leave the area. And once again, this is compassion , not punishment.
We do the this because If such a person leaves , They will predictably and immediately engage in self harm and drug use once their vice is available to them
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Idealism at it's finest. Majority of users are homeless.
The whole idea was to not criminalize addiction. Your idea still criminalizes addiction and nullifies the decriminalization bill
Well then put them in a rehab facility for 30 days
"The fundamental problem, according to law-enforcement officers and researchers, is that the threat of jail time hasn’t been replaced with a new incentive for people struggling with addiction to seek treatment."
half-ass policies as usual
half-ass policies as usual
Piffiztheanswer
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Find out the WHY ppl are taking drugs and then you can begin to try to handle the issue.