OPEN Game of Thrones Season 8 SPOILERS and Leaks Discussion

[Osmosis]

I guess you can rationalize Bran being king in that you can never scheme against him because he knows everything. He’s an omniscient figure so no one can get away with treachery.

But he lacks humanity. He’s not compassionate and he’s not strong, he has no emotions. He’s barely a human so ultimately he shouldn't be king.

 

[OJ Simpsom]

Bran can't have no kids, so how can he be king? Who would be next in line then? Arya or Sansa?

 

[Tasha And]

Because Bran is still supposedly the one leading the Council or being King. Which again, goes against everything we know from Bran/3ER so far on the TV show. He's said multiple times he doesn't care about being a lord nor ruling or leading ANYTHING.

Nothing from the leaks suggest that him changing his mind would make any sense whatsoever.

Now, if they filmed a bunch of different endings, Bran ending up as King/ruler/leader might just be a fake finale. Still, him ending up in any position of power doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

"If Jon refuses and Dany dies, who should be king/ruler". I honestly don't know, what I do know is that the answer is never Bran, because he wants it even less than fukking Jon.

You keep saying he doesn't care about being king as if that is some prerequisite for being king. The show's thesis, as presented this season, is a good king is one that doesn't lust for it. Bran said he doesn't want anymore. That means he doesn't have the blind spots of past rulers, or crippling devotion to love, or anger and vengeance of past rulers. He has the wisdom of every king that has ever existed and will only make practical decisions that benefit the realm, not to serve his own interests. Bran the broken becomes Bran the rebuilder, a god-king.

I fully believe that comes directly from GRRM, too.

 

[Tasha And]

Bran being king makes sense in that you can never scheme against him because he knows everything. He’s an omniscient figure so no one can get away with doing whatever they please.

But he lacks humanity. He’s not compassionate and he’s not strong, he has no emotions. He’s barely a human so the idea of him being a king is silly.

Him having lost his passion is why, thematically, he will rule the realm of men. He won't make the mistakes that countless rulers led by their emotion have made. He won't lead them into war after war because his feelings are hurt. He's above that now.

He'll sit the throne and make wise decisions and his great council (proto parliment) will handle the human interaction part of governing.

 

[Jmare007]

You keep saying he doesn't care about being king as if that is some prerequisite for being king. The show's thesis, as presented this season, is a king that doesn't want it. Bran said he doesn't want anymore. That means he doesn't have the blind spots of past rulers, or crippling devotion to love, or anger and vengeance of past rulers. He has the wisdom of every king that has ever existed and will only make practical decisions that benefit the realm, not to serve his own interests. Bran the broken becomes Bran the rebuilder, a god-king.

I fully believe that comes directly from GRRM, too.

So we let Jon refuse the throne because he doesn't want it. Even though the show has made it a thing to continue to put him in a leadership role since season 2 no matter how much he thinks he doesn't deserves (or desires) it.

But Bran, who since day 1 was fukked out of that kind of position and had an multiple season journey to become the 3 Eye Raven, is suddenly like "OK, FINE I'LL DO IT" after saying this entire season he has no business doing any of the sort. And that makes sense?

I understand that in theory, Bran could be a dope leader. But the show has shown NONE of that and made it a thing to continue to tell us he's not a part of the politics game anymore. It makes sense that people from Westeros think he could be a good King/ruler, it doesn't make any sense that Bran would actually accept it. Not because he couldn't pull it off, but because nothing that has been established on the series makes it believable he would accept that kind of offer.

And the last king that didn't want to be one was Robert, and look how that turned out. Varys saying "well maybe that's the formula" is awful writing coming from him.

 

[Tasha And]

So we let Jon refuse the throne because he doesn't want it. Even though the show has made it a thing to continue to put him in a leadership role since season 2 no matter how much he thinks he doesn't deserves (or desires) it.

But Bran, who since day 1 was fukked out of that kind of position and had an multiple season journey to become the 3 Eye Raven, is suddenly like "OK, FINE I'LL DO IT" after saying this entire season he has no business doing any of the sort. And that makes sense?

I understand that in theory, Bran could be a dope leader. But the show has shown NONE of that and made it a thing to continue to tell us he's not a part of the politics game anymore. It makes sense that people from Westeros think he could be a good King/ruler, it doesn't make any sense that Bran would actually accept it.

Jon isn't going to reject being king because he doesn't want it, he's going to exile himself to the North because he's going to become a queen slayer and kill Dany after he pledged himself to her.

Bran as king won't be politics, it will be a full on reconciliation between the realm and the gods. A bond that has been broken for millennia.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Bran being king makes ZERO sense in a medieval/feudal society. The power of a king revolves not just around military might/power, but also his bloodline. The stability of succession keeps the realm in line. In GoT...the War Of The Five Kings broke out specifically because of questions of bloodline and succession. So why the fukk would Westeros exit years of nearly endless war to...crown a boy king who cannot sire a son/heir? Worse yet, a boy king whose sister is Warden Of The North and could declare herself queen after Bran's death. Why would the realm accept a northern king who doesn't even worship The Seven? Even worse, a northern king who doesn't believe in any gods (as the Three Eyed Crow/Raven, why would Bran believe in gods?).

 

[Tasha And]

Bran being king makes ZERO sense in a medieval/feudal society. The power of a king revolves not just around military might/power, but also his bloodline. The stability of succession keeps the realm in line. In GoT...the War Of The Five Kings broke out specifically because of questions of bloodline and succession. So why the fukk would Westeros exit years of nearly endless war to...crown a boy king who cannot sire a son/heir? Worse yet, a boy king whose sister is Warden Of The North and could declare herself queen after Bran's death. Why would the realm accept a northern king who doesn't even worship The Seven? Even worse, a northern king who doesn't believe in any gods (as the Three Eyed Crow/Raven, why would Bran believe in gods?).

That's my particular beef with it.

But the show has done away with all of that anyway, with b*stards taking over Dorne and Cersei crowning herself queen with no allies, gold, or riots to have her removed. I mean, they have removed so much world building that we have a scenario where Dany and her team of allies are mounting a war campaign and don't even know who the ruler of Storms End is...one of the most important fortifications in the seven kingdoms. The world at large doesn't exist anymore in the show.

The books will seed the foundation for it in a way that actually makes sense.

But I'm with you there in your complaint.

I mean I can see an end game with Bran as King. An all knowing God King could usher in a reign of peace that could last generations. His omniscience would make Westeros as a country unbreakable. If he is able to pass on his consciousness and rule permanently then that is a very twisted happily ever after that is kind of fukked up if you think about it. The wheel would actually be broken by this stranglehold on the throne. I could see GRRM going there.

But what I don't think the show has set up at all is why anyone in Westeros would support his ascension to the throne. They say a council votes on it but why would any of the great lords (which are unnamed so basically dont exist in the show until its convenient) support people like Sam and Tyrion and Davos and Bronn on this great council. It really doesn't make any sense because the showrunners haven't bothered to lay any foundation down for a Bran ascension to have any support beyond a few individuals that by themselves don't hold much power.

 

[nairdas]

The more I think about it the more I realize that Olenna was right. fukk Tyrion AND Jon. I know they were trying to avoid innocent people dying in the war, but innocent people die in every war. It's just the nature of the beast. So them not storming kings landing from jump was stupid as hell.

Listening to Jon and Tyrion got half her army wiped out and two of her dragons killed and now she's still gotta storm King's Landing anyway! Ok let's say what happened when she saved jon and them from beyond the wall happens just in the show and the meet up with Cersei and the dragon pit. As soon as Cersei said nope to helping them because Jon pledged to Dany already she should have just said fukk it and took the throne right there. She had all her army already there along with Rhaegal and Drogon. Would have been a cake walk.

Then she could offer the survivors of the Lannister army the same offer she gave them nikkas from the Loot Train attack. And add them to her army THEN travel north to deal with the Night King. They probably would have only missed like 2 days of preparation at most.

Now I'm shytty neither of those stupid fukks die and Dany does. This show sure did go to shyt.

 

[Maxine Shaw]

Say Jon kills Dany and refuses the throne because of it.

Who do you think should be king? Who makes sense?

Well...it seems if if both Cersei and Jamie die, the throne would go to Tyrion. So since Jon would refuse it (and he's too damn dumb to be king anyway), I would want Tyrion to be king. He could give Sansa the title of Wardeness/Queen in the North. I've said before now that I wanted Tyrion and Sansa to remarry, so now would be a nice time for it. It would be more political than anything else, but I think they'd have a good marriage (or at least one with an understanding in place).

 

[[Something Cool]]

Bran would make the GOAT small council member, but he is seriously is lacking in the charisma department. How is he going to inspire the masses and other lords who don't understand what he actually is? They're going to think he's a weak cripple with a name only.

Plus since there have been multiple Three Eyed Ravens his main concern should be finding and training his successor.

If he's just a temporary stand in for them to establish a republic/democracy them maybe it works.

 

[old pig]

so a cripple...a midget...a sellsword and a fukking eunuch will run the kingdom???????

I still can’t believe this shyt!!!!!!!

 

[Brandeezy]

Sansa will be the one to rule, bet on it, also Dany is pretty much confirmed to die. She's been losing her people left and right, doesn't trust Jon anymore, her crew doesn't trust her anymore, one dragon is left, the leader of her army just lost his girl and has nothing to fight for. Her days are numbered

 

[Box Cutta]

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The actors know this is some bullshyt.

D&D fukked everyone so they could go film fukking Star Wars.

 

[23Barrettcity]

The actors know this is some bullshyt.

D&D fukked everyone so they could go film fukking Star Wars.

The ending is the ending GRRM wanted. Why do people keep saying that ? They also would have had to make up so much additional storylines to fill in extra episodes as the books aren’t completed and they already went on another path in some instances. People complained about the first two episodes being filler now yoi saying your mad they didn’t give you more filler ??